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alexander3133
post Oct 21 2016, 08:06 PM

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Daikin FTK Inverter Aircond indoor unit has two models: Wired & Wireless.
What does it mean by that?
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post Oct 21 2016, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(Mooneyes @ Oct 21 2016, 08:20 PM)
Wired controller like in hotels or just normal remote control.
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Got it, thanks.
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post Oct 25 2016, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(PAKERMOY @ Oct 25 2016, 02:04 PM)
Upgraded to panasonic sky series with less than Rm5

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Panasonic normal series turn turtle installed == Panasonic Sky series
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post Nov 10 2016, 08:53 PM

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post Nov 14 2016, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(DecaPix @ Nov 14 2016, 11:24 AM)
nice info.
But think your calculation needs to be updated.
need to consider 1 hour full load, then 2 hours 50% load and remaining 3hours at minimum load.
that should give better representation.

should give the excel so we are sort  thumbsup.gif
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Great feedback you have there, will provide the excel spreadsheet later.
Please provide a guideline on the % of load versus time if you have.
Something like this should be useful, example:
1st hour: 100%
2nd hour: 50%
3rd hour: 20%
4th hour and onwards: 30%
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post Nov 14 2016, 05:59 PM

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As promised, the OneDrive link provided is the spreadsheet for aircond selection guideline based on power consumption.

https://1drv.ms/x/s!AtoOl-yLHwuzjA3BG0vB0n4QZYKz

Here is the picture of the updated spreadsheet from the previous:

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post Nov 16 2016, 08:16 AM

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QUOTE(DecaPix @ Nov 15 2016, 09:35 AM)
For my small room application, i notice that the compressor will run full load at start till around 30 minutes later when it start to slow down.
For ease of calculation, just assume full load for 1 hour.
Then just to make it more severe, just assume 50% load for next 2 hours.
from panasonic website you can see the min and max power consumption, just average it out?
Then assume minimum load for the next 3 hours (assuming room has reached set temperature and outside temperature around 1-2 am is cool-ish)
For non inverter, i am not sure how to calculate this.
Maybe use 10-20% of the full load?

This should give a good advantage to the inverter.
because i notice my inverter air cond paid for itself in 1 year  thumbup.gif
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The aircond working load is depends on many aspects of things, like room size, window facing, air leak, appliances in room, number of people in room, heat insulation in room, desired temperature set, outside temperature, outdoor unit ventilation, and etc..
Therefore it is quite hard to estimate the aircond working load.

Load calculation for inverter and non-inverter aircond should have difference, since inverter aircond can control the compressor motor speed, versus non-inverter aircond just turn on and off the compressor. Some inverter aircond have smart functions that can detect the present of human being, and control the compressor to further optimize power consumption.

I do agree with you that, to simplify the calculation, can put full load at first hour, then certain percentage of full load at next hour and etc.

Best way to estimate is to monitor your aircond behavior for load and then come out with your own estimate for that room. For those people who does not have existing aircond, have to perform rough calculation.

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post Nov 22 2016, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(PAKERMOY @ Nov 22 2016, 10:25 PM)
Oic, anyway im happy with the new aircond cuz i will not have dry eyes, dry throat and nose bleed problem. And then I do not have to buy humidifier to solve the problem.
So its about higher and low hp right? Its not about inverter vs non inverter
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There is a range of relative humidity that is ideal or comfort to human, somewhere between 40% to 60%.
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post Dec 8 2016, 10:21 PM

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Updated Excel spreadsheet for aircond selection based on power consumption.

- Added 2.0 HP and 2.5 HP aircond
- Updated reference purchasing cost

OneDrive link:
https://1drv.ms/x/s!AtoOl-yLHwuzjBJsjBkuUVtv3vNB

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post Dec 14 2016, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(spreeeee @ Dec 14 2016, 01:55 PM)
until the back door ya? 3hp recommended..
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Or split 1.5HP + 1.5HP as shown in the picture?
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post Dec 14 2016, 09:04 PM

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Updated Excel spreadsheet for aircond selection based on power consumption.

- Added "Haier" and "York" aircond.
- Added "LG" non-inverter aircond.
- Updated reference purchasing cost.

OneDrive link:
https://1drv.ms/x/s!AtoOl-yLHwuzjBJsjBkuUVtv3vNB

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post Jan 8 2017, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(alwinnng @ Jan 8 2017, 01:42 PM)
Dunno.. sky series bad.. then got someone here posted before..
Ordered 1hp inverter sharp d.. the 1.5 model also good?
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How bad is the sky series really?
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post Jan 9 2017, 07:43 AM

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QUOTE(Abuneinei99 @ Jan 9 2017, 07:37 AM)
What is sky model?
Link please
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Link for 1HP Sky series
http://www.panasonic.com/my/consumer/home-...0skh-1_0hp.html
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post Jan 9 2017, 09:06 PM

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QUOTE(alwinnng @ Jan 8 2017, 02:15 PM)
Idk.. i read somewhere before

And should be true..i go aircond shop senq they keep pushing the sky series to me.. got special discounts after member discount also..
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One of my room with not so high ceiling, going to have a loft bed soon.
So with normal aircond, the air flow won't able to reach the bed on upper deck, therefore thinking about Sky series to solve this problem.
But seeing Sky series have complain now, not sure if I should proceed with Sky series.
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post Jan 9 2017, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(Abuneinei99 @ Jan 9 2017, 10:08 PM)
How much you bought that sky series for how many btu one?
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I have not bought the Sky series aircond yet, some more heard got problem with Sky series, so I am hesitating to get one now.
Panasonic products price also marked up recently, maybe due to exchange rate.
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post Jan 10 2017, 06:10 AM

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QUOTE(Richard @ Jan 10 2017, 12:28 AM)
Seeing that you use an air conditioner to remove heat (by condensing water from air) ..

wouldn't it be a simple solution just to add a table/wall fan to circulate the air within the room?
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I do have a plan to install wall fan as well.
Just that I am not sure how well can the air circulation from the wall fan can help bring the cold air to upper deck of the loft bed.
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post Mar 12 2017, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(nairud @ Mar 12 2017, 04:32 PM)
Hi

Can anyone provide me with the link of a spreadsheet of all ac and power consumption per month?

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Here is it:
https://1drv.ms/x/s!AtoOl-yLHwuzjBJsjBkuUVtv3vNB

Please note that the reference price was last updated on mid-January this year.
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post Apr 21 2017, 08:44 AM

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QUOTE(doremon @ Apr 21 2017, 08:24 AM)
Hi guys

Any idea for Single Split Air Conditioner biggest HP ?

Is there any 4hp or 5hp ?

Daikin have 4hp right ?
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You already have answer yourself
http://www.daikin.com.my/product/faq-series/

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post Sep 24 2017, 03:45 PM

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Aircond selection based on power consumption.

Onedrive link, excel spreadsheet:
https://1drv.ms/x/s!AtoOl-yLHwuzjBJsjBkuUVtv3vNB


What was changed from previous
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Updated reference purchasing price
Added Daikin model FTK10T
Added Hisense model HAC-__DJN
Added Hitachi model RAS-VX__CG
Added LG models
Added Midea model MSF-__CRN1
Added Mitsubishi Electric model MS-HK__VA
Added Panasonic model CS-PS__TKH, CS-PV__TKH, CS-S__TKH and CS-PV__SKH
Removed some Samsung models
Added Samsung model AR__MVFSBWKNME, AR__MVFHJWKNME, AR__KVSDBWKNME, AR__JRFLBWKNME
Removed some Sharp models
Added Sharp model AHX__UED, AHXP__UHD, AHA__UCD


Disclaimer: All data is harvested from respective manufacturers website, I am not responsible for any information accuracy in the spreadsheet provided.

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post Sep 25 2017, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(eligible @ Sep 25 2017, 08:52 AM)
May I ask which Panasonic brand AC able to maintain moisture in the room?

my target:-

1.0 hp
RM1k - 1.5k
small room
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When you said maintain moisture level in room, meaning the aircond moisture removal should be as the same rate as the moisture being generated.
Well I am not sure what is the amount of moisture generated in your room, but I can tell you is that from all the Panasonic 1.0 HP aircond, the moisture removal are all the same when obtained from spec in website, at 1.6 L/h or 3.4 Pt/h.

If you want more moisture removal, go for higher HP aircond of the same brand and model.
Panasonic 1.5 HP at 2.1 L/h or 4.4 pt/h.
Panasonic 2.0 HP at 2.9 L/h or 6.1 pt/h

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