No worry, I always read the manual fully for all the electric appliances that i bought.

Simply said, Pana cooling capacity is lower primarily due to cut cost, period.

Cooling quality is not solely depends on compressor, it also depends on the quality of the condenser, cooling coil, arrangement/density of the fin, with the latter component is much more important in cooling role than the compressor alone.

Sensors, electronic parts price are far more lower (can be negligible) than the mechanical parts (cooling coil, condenser fin) in an aircond. Remember, in an electrical appliances, plastic parts (which mostly made by crude oil) and all other mechanical parts (especially aircond which use alot of aluminiums in the construction) material cost are far more higher than the electronic part. In an aircond, the estimated BOM cost for electronic vs non electronic = 10% vs 90%, you weight yourself. But the appearance to the customer will be those 'high tech electronic features', that's why they need to include to impress ppl, in fact, those added features cost is almost negligible, just using 1 or 2 extra sensor and few software algorithm to achieve it, is almost free for them.

From your point of view, they sacrifice some comfort for electricity saving, but from the point of view of Pana, they sacrifice comfort for lower material cost, that's the fact, the electricity saving is just a 'by product' of their cut cost activity. Sorry if it sound offended, but naturally i don't have good impression on Pana product, becos i was a R&D electronic engineer in Pana for 5 years before, cut cost was their philosophy, especially now after they faced a huge deficit in their finance globally in year 2013, cut cost is their 1st priority, cost down or terminate business, and this is part of the reason i left the company.

Yes, all manufacturer nowadays cost cutting, this is what the consumer need to know and understand rather than reject the fact due to alot of fancy features included.

Don't naive to believe those manufacturer will care for your electricity bill. They actually can make it more power saving by introduce a larger surface condenser, cooling coil, use higher grade aluminium fin, more fin per area and so on, rather than using smaller compressor motor.

Sorry to say, Pana and Sharp were the struggling company at the moment, especially Pana, the group is too huge, they step into too many sectors. But ask yourself, which area/sector Pana is the no.1 now? Heater? We know Joven and Alpha. Washer? We know Electrolux. Display? You know Sony, Sharp, Samsung. Fridge? We know sharp, Toshiba, LG. I only can name Panasonic in my 1st mind for ceiling fan (although alot of complaint for their remote and Bayu series) and stand fan, what else? It present in all categories, but the performance is not outstanding, and the price is premium. Until now you already can guess why Pana group record a highest financial lost in year 2013 since the Matsushita group established. Pana can survive today is mainly due to the strong foundation built by 'National' brand during 1980'-2000' era in Asia region. Reliability basically buried together with the National brand already. My father was the one who strongly support this brand during that time, that's why my hometown now still consist a 30 years old National 1HP aircond, 33 years old National fridge, 35 years old National Cassette Radio, 20 years National heater, almost 40 years National rice cooker and all these items were still perform the daily job well (Except aircond rarely open).

This post has been edited by coolkwc: Jul 6 2015, 10:23 PM

Many won't buy China brand because of 'face' problem, ppl will feel u are cheap skate if you use China brand, same applies to why many like to buy the conservative VIOS over Proton although VIOS use the same engine and gear box for decades while Proton give you much more high tech features with alot of lower price. You can see now alot of Japanese brand electric appliances like to put the sticker 'Japan quality', 'R&D in Japan'...this does not applied to old era appliances. Because in fact they know they don't have quality anymore nowadays, and quality is the foundation and main reason ppl support Japan brand, so they put the sticker to remind you that 'Japan things are good quality'.

Adi analysed before lo, cut cost on material to make it cheaper is more worst and more 'effective' than compressor cut cost itself.

Use lower grade aluminium, when new sparkling clean, when used, here rusty there rusty. The next thing will be less and less colder, after 5 years usage kong then someone will said 'if can last for 5 years consider very good adi'.

Really sick of this kind of handicap farking mindset, electronics is not make to withstand 5 years only, if yes, save your farking hard earn money and buy the China brand, also can last you for 5 years. Pana will be happy to see those 5 years mindset though.

This post has been edited by coolkwc: Jul 15 2015, 03:29 PM

Just found the shop that sell MHI inverter aircond in Tun Aminah, not only 1 shop, but few, and surprisingly the price is cheaper than MEQ that i bought. 1HP inverter RM1400, 2HP inverter 2.4k.

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MHI for budget user? Are you sure? I thought MHI > MEQ. Reputation wise MHI > MEQ as well.

This post has been edited by coolkwc: Aug 16 2015, 09:18 PM

Mind to give the link where you read that? I googling and seems like you are the only one who claim MHI < ME.

Don compare to GE model la aduhai. Compare with my GJ model enuf adi, lower annual consumption, higher EER, additional left right air swing, ioniser, and cheaper than my GJ, so what you want somemore??

This post has been edited by coolkwc: Aug 16 2015, 09:52 PM

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This post has been edited by coolkwc: Aug 18 2015, 11:07 PM

For those who looking at the latest MHI inverter aircond, here is the latest brochure.





No need to argue MEQ vs MHI anymore, becos i found there are too many version of stories. Some said MEQ is thailand, MHI is China, some said the reverse thing. But nevermind, i know both of it also good.

Alot of versions out there, MHI not good la, MEQ singaporean favorite la, MEQ is Japan la, MHI got its own factory la. Different aircond shop different story, and your story different too. The only thing i know, MHI is not a newly accomplish company, and it involve in commercial heavy duty aircond system very long time, so residential aircond is just a kacang putih to them, and MHI even exist and support Japan during WW2. More into budget user becos it cheaper than ME?? Hell no and not logic at all. I can also say ME is expensive becos its name. Singapore user prefer MEQ not necessary means MHI quality is inferior compare to ME, just becos ME also produce fridge and other electrical appliance, so its name is more familiar compare to MHI in SG. If you look at MHI brochure, the PCB inside the MHI compressor is comformal coated to prevent corrosion by humidity, ME got or not? No. Support wise, ME service center is at Tun Aminah, MHI is at Johor Jaya, i can't see any lack of support at all.

Anyway, I just purchased a 2HP MHI inverter and 1HP MHI inverter, 1HP i choose premium YL series, which got alot of comfy and extra features compare to my current ME GJ10, and lower consumption too (0.67kW vs 0.8kW), so this new MHI will be my main aircond for my master bedroom since i will use it 10 hours per night everynight. The current ME 1hp will move to guess bedroom for reserve purpose, and the 2hp model i choose YN series, only less comfy airflow function, the rest are same. Outcome, i save almost RM400 compare to ME.

This post has been edited by coolkwc: Aug 22 2015, 10:12 PM

My master room is 288sqf.

https://papamy.panasonic.com.my/papamy/faq.html

Only 9000BTU needed, and 1hp already very near to that rating. Furthermore for sleeping i never turn my temp lower than 26...mostly i set @ 26'C or 27'C, why i need 1.5hp then?

i add on aircond filter from daiso.

Not install yet, just bought and wait my reno to finished by end of this year. Becos if buy after September the price will increase around 10% thanks to our invaluable RM.

The airflow restriction is minimal, you won't be able to differentiate it unless u use airflow meter to measure purposely. So don't worry.

Yes ah, that's why we recommend u change the extra filter every 3 months. The outcome of fine dust trap at xtra filter or cooling coil are same, also lead to high consumption, the only different is when the xtra filter blocked, i just change the filter for less than RM5 (I whole piece can make 4 sheets), but if your cooling coil blocked, you need to dismantle and cleaned, after dismantle sure your gas need to refill, cost will be at least RM200, so you choose lo.