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andrekua2
post May 5 2016, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(shelby_yong @ May 5 2016, 09:23 AM)
kinda agree with you, but just let them,

popcorn time..

if really wanna save electric, just set the temp at 26..

test it myself. if set at 25, whole night run 8 unit of electric

22 and below 10 unit
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Panasonic really save more... btw whole night is how many hours?

QUOTE(TXSim @ May 5 2016, 04:24 PM)
Check in YouTube. Other customers get affected by getting noise from air conditioner.
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Im not sure. Maybe if I reduce the temp to less than 25C perhaps? Right now only at 27C. Cold enough.

QUOTE(TXSim @ May 5 2016, 04:25 PM)
Yeah, agreed. Dry mode for to dry things in the room.
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Yeah, I didnt know how to use them too previously. However, I start to read about this since I got this ac because it has 2 step cooling. I was wondering why they had it run at dry mode after cooling. I came across an article that says if you are sweating like hell even though there's nothing, try dry mode. Therefore I tried it for 30minutes, and voila, it works. Then I can switch off the ac and just on my ceiling fan. Air was cold. Gonna try it again next time when raining.
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post May 5 2016, 08:28 PM

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QUOTE(GamersFamilia @ May 5 2016, 04:59 PM)
i seen negative comments regarding samsung aircond in their official facebook
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Is there any brand without any sort of criticism?

QUOTE(TXSim @ May 5 2016, 05:01 PM)
Yes, me too.

He just got air-con installed new.

New of course no problem.

After a few weeks or months.

The problem will be back after a few days, weeks or months.
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Well, Im not forcing you to accept Samsung into your buy list if you dont feel confident using them. Just choose whatever you felt confident with. Nowadays there's really little to choose between all of them. Gone are the days appliances were Made in Japan and were so much reliable. Most are being made in China or SEA countries nowadays.

SEA in general still favor Japanese brands especially Malaysia.
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post May 5 2016, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(GamersFamilia @ May 5 2016, 08:50 PM)
There is , but not as bad as in samsung official fb , especially on aircond stuff ...
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You mean their international page? Hardly anything to look for for air conditioner when I was in Samsung Malaysia fb page while searching for their product info and customer reviews.

Anyway, I will be the live test subject here. Lets see how it will go for me. Although I have to say sometimes I dont use them as much as you guys probably did. Im trying to change that now, which is why I gone for the inverter model.

I think Im a bit more towards Koreans nowadays because I think they are the 'new' Japanese in this era. However that may be my own preference.
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post May 6 2016, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ May 6 2016, 10:59 AM)
Nope, you are wrong, already have a member posted but the bill still high.
So is not like you said. Good try on your personal attack, but you failed puke.gif
Not to mention, already came out in the news that inverter does not really save electricity bills.
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I think you should let them choose because everyone usage is different. I think inverter has it's advantages as well other than just helping reduce electricity consumption.

You also need to accept other ppl situation. There's nothing much to lose by going inverter than non inverter. Keep repeating inverter does not help saving is not really helpful at all.
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post May 6 2016, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(shelby_yong @ May 6 2016, 11:20 AM)
because many ppl steal electric lo...

so they dont dare to share out
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Steal electric still need inverter?

Bottom line is more cooling translate into more power used. It's all depending on one's usage pattern and cooling preference.

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post May 6 2016, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(keyser soze @ May 6 2016, 03:04 PM)
You have to show us who posted the bill and when? or it never happened. Don't ask us to search ourself there are over 150 pages here.
I already burst your lie about the news issue last week. Don't try to use that again, even though many didn't read what we discuss last week. It is time to talk about other things, draw the attention away the from the topics.
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This one also not accurate. One really need to monitor the reading before turn on and after turn off since we have so many electrical appliances at home.
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post May 7 2016, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(supersound @ May 6 2016, 04:18 PM)
Well, that's why I said duration of usage matters. It only do wonders when the compressor output is being reduced. Else, it will consume more, the spec already state this clearly.
Not to mention most people never see the small fonts on the disclaimer on the test.
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Like I said, don't just concentrate on power savings. Inverter has other advantages too like more comfortable cooling.
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post May 8 2016, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(keyser soze @ May 8 2016, 01:51 AM)
To be honest 20 years is very good already.
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I think you guys can close shop already if everyone has their appliances lasting 20years.

Man, I know it can be quite an investment buying large home appliances but to expect them to last 10-20 years, consumers are ridiculous nowadays. Everything degrade with each usage and passing years. Its just like expecting a car to run 20years without maintenance at all. I feel for you bro... charge more because you ain't gonna see them for the next 10-20years.
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post May 19 2016, 05:43 AM

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QUOTE(TXSim @ May 17 2016, 11:34 PM)
After one week or 2 weeks. You will complain.
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QUOTE(TXSim @ May 18 2016, 06:53 PM)
Noise.
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Please... Did you even have one?

Besides which ac don't have noise. If you have broken parts, then there will be noise. I have used Samsung for close to a month. Did I complain?
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post May 19 2016, 05:47 AM

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QUOTE(weng-aircon @ May 18 2016, 07:08 PM)
Haha. Yes.. Really depend on luck. Because electronic stuff suka suka spoil suka suka then can last. Until now there's no answer how a air con can last.
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Heat is the main problem with electronics. Second they have a lifespan. The less electronics it has, the more likely it will last. Hence why many ppl complain appliances don't last nowadays. The electronics parts fail before the mechanical parts do.
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post May 19 2016, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(TXSim @ May 19 2016, 08:07 AM)
Just think about it. It is due to louver.

Some people have different kind of things about air conditioner.

Other people didn't experience noise. Some people have.
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Do you have it or not? Why avoid the question?

Damn, I have no comment if you can list the model that you had and the bad experience you had with it.

Not I read on internet, I read there, I read here... please...
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post May 19 2016, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(weng-aircon @ May 19 2016, 09:47 AM)
Yes. But I so grateful that the manufacturer have coated the PCB with heat resistant coating. Specially for tropical weather like Malaysia. At least they understand our needs.
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I never heard heat resistant coating... are you REALLY sure about this?

If manufacturers even bother about their quality control, they just had to choose higher grade capacitors for example that would withstand higher operating temperature of 120C instead of lower grade ones that can only withstand 80C. Most of the parts on a circuit board tend to last quite well except for capacitors. Panasonic fans are failing left and right due to the bad grade of capacitors being used.
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post May 22 2016, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(normality78 @ May 20 2016, 11:14 PM)
Actually i regret going for Inverter. I'm using Daikin.

1. It take much longer time to cool down the room. Don't be surprise may even take up to hours to match same cold by non-inverter. At least for my room it is. Worst now i always full blast it but still not as cold

2. I felt it requires more regular maintenance. The Daikin i have, close to 2 yrs and i've service it 3x. Always due to not cold. But once service, it is better but months later, back to the same. Whereas the rest of my house aircond unit non-inverter, some service once in 3 yrs but still much more cold then my Daikin

3. In terms of saving (electric), seriously no different. Weekdays usually clock 8-9 hrs and weekend easily 16-18 hrs.
Sometimes i felt it is kind of contradicting. We install aircond is because we can't stand the heat. When we switch on the aircon, we wanted it to cool as quickly as possible. By having inverter kind of defeat the purpose since it take much longer time to cool.

So i think those who emphasis alot on cold, better stay away from Inverter. Like cherroy mentioned, A full blast inverter, its electricity consumption is similar to non-inverter.

Somehow i kind of convince that with fixed low speed blower + low speed home fan, i might get cheaper electricity then full blast inverter. So here i'm shopping for new non-inverter aircond and i'm slap with new issue. Gas piping.

As my pipe is "old" pipe, those like time National brand era, and if newer aircond use different gas and required me to change pipe, i'm goner.  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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I think you need to try Dry mode. Dry mode for an hour or two then switch to Cool.

Personally I don't feel any difference between inverter and non inverter. If you want it to be as cool as it could be, then you need to turn off those power savings features like econavi etc. I think for non inverter, most people will set it to 23-25C to avoid it cutting off during early sleep. For inverter, since it won't cut off like non inverter, even at 26-27C also feel good already. For me, non inverter is annoying because it's too cold or hot when it cut off. Not to mention in the quietness of the night, you'll hear the noise of compressor restart very clearly.
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post Jun 1 2016, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(lhgoon @ Jun 1 2016, 01:01 PM)
Running a 1hp ac in a living room and set the temp to 24C. The compressor will run from the time u turn it on until you turn it off because the AC is undersize.

Running a 2hp ac in a living room and set the temp to 24C. The compressor will run from the time u turn it on and the compressor will turn off once the temp of 24C is reached and turn on again once the temp rises. 2 hp AC will reach the set temp of 24C easier.

So it is totally depending on the size of the space you want to cool. This is based on a daily use of 8 hours.

If you plan to use it for 1 or 2 hours, then using a 1hp ac in living room will save you electricity bill but  you wont get much cooling effect.

Ask your AC contractor for better advise ya.

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Spot on

I transferred my old 1HP non inverter from room to living room. If you only rely on air cond, then actually it might be cooling off a very small section of the living room. However, I find it ok if I only use the dry mode. I use the dry mode to remove humidity while having my ceiling fan on all the time. The result is pretty good. Having said so, Im someone who used to be relying on fans only prior to this, and even 27C feel cold enough for me (in my room with the new inverter 1HP). I also seldom stay in house except for alternate Saturday when I get half day off or during holidays. Hence why I feel wasting money installing air cond. I just need some comfort instead of cooling the entire living room.
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post Oct 9 2017, 06:17 AM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Sep 26 2017, 12:24 PM)
No worries but hope you don't misunderstand that I'm not against nanoe or Plasmacluster or Samsung plasma (Splasma) or LG etc. They are truly beneficial esp when integrated in AC.

However, maintaining high humidity works cross purposes to how an AC works. There's a compromise needed. Hence in my home, if AC is turned on the house rule is no colder than 26°C and lightly dressed e.g.singlet and sleeping shorts and fleece blanket. Normally it would be 27°C AUTO with 2 speed ceiling fan which brings the humidity down to 65% and temperature 25°C owing to windchill. Everyone needs to drink at least two cups of water before they sleep. Colder than that is harmful long term.

My own preference is Sharp inverters with plasma cluster and self clean (mould prevention) and their upward air throw such was introduced in 2008-2009, way before Panasonic Skyair entered the market. The newer models had long throw out 14m as of 2015.

Any recommendation have take a wider view that just AC hp.

Hence, all the questions I raised earlier should be the primary driver first to determine the cooling load in BTU/hr from which you then derive the AC's HP required.

I've lived both in landed and condo, some afternoon sun facing, some morning sun facing and am familiar with the seasonal variation of sunlight on the buildings over the year where I live.

Basically it's the compass points where the room is oriented that matters when calculating. Trees over the frontage of the room adds to solar shading. Insulation over the roof matters as it brings down the heat load factor. Living in the top floor of a condo matters if the roof is not covered ie bare concrete exposed to the elements. Facing W,SW,NW will increase heat load. Ground floor is more insulated than top floors typically but that depends if there's a garden (affords better ground heat insulation) or fully paved front yard (living room becomes an oven by 1pm if there's no awning), etc.

Don't rush into which model....just work out the factors affecting the room that needs cooling than based on that go for the features or requirements that matters. Good piping and installer handiwork matters and don't stinge on that. The AC will be operating for a long time if maintained well as long as the brand is reputable and the product reliably engineered.
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Just like what I tried and it works. Many people told me 1HP wouldn't work for living room. I thought what a waste to threw it away since I have an extra after changing my room unit to inverter. Just set to 26C and with the help of a stand fan to blew the cooler air around the house, it was really comfortable even when the direct sun hit the living room in the evening.

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post Oct 9 2017, 06:28 AM

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QUOTE(starz92 @ Oct 6 2017, 12:02 PM)
Guys, need air cond brand and model recommendation for 1hp inverter.
My samsung inverter just die on me after 3 years+.
The repair guy told me not worth to repair and ask me dont buy samsung anymore. lols.
To me 3 years+ with operation almost every night is kinda reasonable?
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Did you service yearly? I also install a Samsung triangle inverter last year.

How hard did you use it? I usually set it around 26-27C cool or dry mode, depending on the reading on the hygrometer. Recently my office also face same situation where the technician said we push the unit too hard when it was not cool. The compressor overloaded and now is not working well. There's even leak from it.


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post Apr 30 2019, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(air_pull91 @ Apr 11 2019, 01:38 AM)
Hi guys.. Im new to this aircond thing.. Just bought samsung deluxe inverter.. Here's the link..
https://s.lazada.com.my/s.HYyH
After bought then i realised a lot of negative review for this model..
Some said after 2 year edy got problem n repair cost is expensive.. Some said the outdoor unit is very noisy..
I haven't installed the ac yet.. Should i just return back the unit?
Anyone got experience using this model do share with me here.. Thanks..
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Samsung aircond wont get much feedback here since many are too afraid to try.

My model is different, it is the triangle model with inverter deluxe. Personally I really like it but I do think it does accumulate mold quite fast at the blower. At first, I ask the technician to clean it. Later I begin to find video teaching how to took it apart, and spend an hour to take the cover off to clean the blower myself (since it has grill blocking brushes from getting it). After cleaning, it kept giving me error after turning on for some time. It took a few days for the error to go away when I almost called technician to come and fix it. Overall, Im pretty satisfied with it and I dont think there is much difference between Samsung or other brands out there.

When I first bought it, I thought it has WiFi which would allows me to turn on the aircond before I returned home (there is no wifi though). As for outdoor unit, I think every unit is really silent when new, and after few years, it will get louder. I think part of it is due to the capacitor degrading and fan bearing getting worn. I think it is better to focus on the cooling capacity (BTU) rather than comparing the noise.

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QUOTE(Asquith @ Oct 29 2020, 11:56 PM)
Does anyone here use a Samsung Windfree air conditioner?

Any  feedback on it?
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Wow... Samsung also going into these high end unit now.

It seems like the price is a bit steep even for 1HP. Who's gonna buy though?
I'm currently using the triangle type and I feel like the blower build up mold quite fast.
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post Mar 17 2022, 01:28 PM

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Anyone using Hitachi aircond here? I still have a hitachi 1hp non inverter and was impressed how it lasted and rarely needs cleaning. Not to mention motor still silent after 10 years.

I'm planning to buy an inverter 1hp for my son room but I noticed that Hitachi no longer list stainless steel filter as features except for the premium model which is quite pricy (I think mine back then also pricy since I paid RM1.4k for a 1hp non inverter). Want to ask if your XH model filter is plastic mesh or stainless steel mesh. TQ

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post Apr 19 2022, 02:15 AM

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Just installed Samsung windfree for my kids room and absolutely loved it. Really comfortable cooling. Wish to install for my room but wife prefer really cold ac. I hate direct blowing because using mouth breathing whenever I sleep. Makes my throat dry.[U]

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