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weng-aircon
post Sep 27 2016, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(wuoi @ Sep 27 2016, 08:09 AM)
For ME Any recommendation? MHI and ME which one better in term of reliability and cooling power?

Currently using Daikin (non york version) and tend to try ME, but wonder is this is correct move.
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MHI quality is better and originally made from Japan/Thailand. ME is a sub brand from Mitsubishi itself to target residences market.
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post Sep 28 2016, 08:46 AM

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QUOTE(e-lite @ Sep 27 2016, 03:47 PM)
Can anyone recommend good shop & installer to buy:-

Three (3x) units of Panasonic 1hp non-inverter R410 air-con; installation in Shah Alam?
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What's the installation will be like?
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post Oct 3 2016, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(shinystargirl @ Sep 28 2016, 01:50 PM)
We bought 2.5 Panasonic three weeks ago.  Unfortunately the aircond could not blow cold air last week like originally. Then my brother called their service people. They told us the gas should be around 150 not 90psi which he showed on his meter.
The Panasonic technician said this is not normal so he top up to 150.
Then my brother ask if it was leaking. The technician said the unit was not leaking but maybe the installer was careless in not tightening or allowing so much gas to be accidentally released during the installation!

I am sharing here to highlight how careless installers can ruin the joy in owning a new aircond.
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Pana technician said no leak? If the previous technician accidentally realease the refrigerant during installation then is impossible you get the cold air after your unit installed. Why need wait 3 weeks only you feel no cold air? Obviously there's a leak. And Pana guy just top up for you and never check where's the leak is. So irresponsible.
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post Oct 12 2016, 09:06 PM

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QUOTE(orycel @ Oct 12 2016, 03:06 PM)
phew...finally finish reading this topic...since morning haha.
my pana just 'dead' after 2 years only. technician said outdoor (waste almost $200 for him), then call Panasonic dealer. waster another 80 for him to troubleshoot. Now become outdoor and indoor pcb issue. 

1. Panasonic cust service really bad. Ask me to call myself never arrange anything
2. Technician from Pana dealer keep suggesting Panasonic new aircond...haih...talk bad about others when he's telling me my 2 years Panasonic is rosak. talk about muka tebal
3. Try to buy daikin cannot find at any shop....even their website didn't reveal their dealers...weird.

4. Thinking of getting a Sharp Plasmacluster.  Anyone using it? Is it good?  The other one I am thinking is Hitachi but I feel like I prefer the sharp.


Thanks for any sifus willing to help me here.
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You have to know. Good technician isn't easy to find. Everyone knows how to install aircon. But very less people knows how to troubleshoot it. Because they don't know how to troubleshoot and will takes longer time for them to check. Plus no spare parts for them to test around. Mostly they will ask you to replace a new one because the pcb are costly to repair. Your this case most of the technician malas to layan. Haha.
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post Oct 12 2016, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(0hmyg0d @ Oct 12 2016, 06:53 PM)
Design wise I am looking at York but everyone says it's China made and quality is bad...
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Everyone is aware of China brand. Because market in China brand is low cost with high return is how they do business. But nowadays many things also made in China or get parts from china and assemble in their own country. But I would say China stuff is slowly picking up. Just don't expect much.
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post Oct 12 2016, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(Bombgen @ Oct 12 2016, 09:04 PM)
Just install my new Daikin 1HP EcoKing. Performance wise is very good but it is a bit noisy as to compared with my previous Acson aircond. Is this normal?
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Is normal. The model you using is still York plant aka GA.
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post Oct 13 2016, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(paradox @ Oct 13 2016, 11:46 AM)
Hi All,

I'm plan to install 1 unit air-conditioner at PPR Kerinchi Bangsar. It is for the dining and living as per layout below (24'x10'). For your info, this house is purely virgin. Don't have any point for the air conditioner or power supply. Appreciate your advise on :

1. HP required to ensure it can cover that area
2. Brand and type recommended
3. Cost including installation fees
4. Any recommended supplier

Many thanks
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You need 2.5hp to cover this area. 2.0hp might enough for you. Still need to lookout the area for installation.
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post Oct 13 2016, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(ExCrIpT @ Oct 13 2016, 12:55 PM)
how often do you guys clean/service ur room aircon? i got mine cleaned like 5 months ago and now its not that cold anymore. full blast everynight and yes i cleaned the net from the unit but doesnt help

do you guys get someone to clean it every 6 months? room unit.

usage per day usually 15 hrs ?
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I have a customer clean it every 7 months. Same like your issue. High usage and turn on the fan while using your ac. Sorry to say. Your room is extremely dusty. Turning on the fan will get even worst.
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post Oct 13 2016, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(earl-ku @ Oct 13 2016, 01:38 PM)
I have to continue to rant on this issue

So after engaging the contractor to come and check, all pressure good

So he suggest i call panasonic, so they came and say gas ok, no leakage - they even went and top up the gas, he says its full like maybe 95%, he went ahead and top up full capacity

but the cooling is still shitty - start blaming the size of the room, but using the panasonic app - thats the recomended model(1hp model), and say i should use it with ionizer off and at cool with full blast fan at 16 degrees ... at this point i gave up ...

i have since been using it on cool mode and temp range from 18 - 20, with ionizer on

one thing for sure - panasonic sucks and likely panasonic inverter sucks max

should not have gotten the inverter unit as my hall on the 1.5hp unit non inverter is just fine ...

8 units of panasonic ...sucks
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You can't blame the Panasonic guy. First of all. What kinda cooling you need? If you think your previous York give you the cooling means you are looking for solid cooling. Seriously. R410 produce the cooling is lesser than R22. And r410 cooling is not solid at all. You just can feel cool. If you want colder than suggest to take bigger hp.

That app is useless. Still need to get a better guy who understands your needs. Temperature in a house will keep change so can't pick a hp is just nice for the room especially person like you. If you like fast cooling then inverter is not really your thing.

I assuming your sales person recommend you the wrong ac.

Btw. If you still get York instead of Panasonic. Whatever you said I don't think 1hp is enough for you. And then you'll think why the old York is much more better than the New York. And also. You moved to a new house.

I have a customer. Using 1hp room size at 8 x 8 height of ceiling is 10 feet. My dealer intro him 1hp says is cool until his balls drop. But after using for like 3 days. He says is not cold from the beginning. I came and troubleshoot the unit everything works good. I've told him 1hp is not enough for you. And then he rant. Since he rant I put a bet with him I ask him to replace a 1.5hp if is not cold and my previous statement isn't correct. I free for him. Ended up he paid for my 1.5hp aircon and thanks to me.

This post has been edited by weng-aircon: Oct 13 2016, 03:21 PM
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post Oct 14 2016, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(earl-ku @ Oct 14 2016, 10:22 AM)
can only blame the salesmen from an electrical shop is not a very good choice for such advise ...

my other home has a new mitusbishi ... thats very cold ...
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I understand sometimes end user doesn't have much knowledge that's the point we go and ask for their advices. But instead of giving you professional advice he/she has make own brand like a retard.
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post Oct 14 2016, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(GamersFamilia @ Oct 14 2016, 12:08 PM)
sometimes salesman will recommend the things that in stock
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That's wrong. Customer priority comes first. Whatever customer needs we try our best to give them. If no stock we can wait. No need make the brAnd sucks.
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post Oct 16 2016, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(soulmad @ Oct 15 2016, 07:11 PM)
anyone try beko aircond before?
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Not so sure about this brand. If you are unsure and have doubt about this brand then suggest you to take extra $$ for a reputable brand etc like Pana Daikin or ME.
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post Oct 17 2016, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(soulmad @ Oct 17 2016, 04:24 PM)
for rental usage, do you all conceal the pipe the casing?
it look awful to see pipe hanging on the wall
no plaster ceiling
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If is for rental usage and don't wanna spend a big buck then you can go for it. But pick the hp that suit the room. For rental wise, don't have to conceal. Just put a pvc casing to hide the pipes will do. Tenant just need aircon. Who cares is ugly. They more care if is cold or not.
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post Oct 18 2016, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(soulmad @ Oct 18 2016, 11:31 AM)
3aircond also no cheap
quote above rm1k for installation adding casing & 1 power point
if connect aircond power using black tape and thick wire is it safe or better use connector?
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Incoming to switch must be use thick

Switch to aircon must be use thick wire

Indoor to outdoor also same.

If thin wire and thick wires are connected it will result in burning. That's what we always see in the news.

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post Oct 18 2016, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(wayne @ Oct 18 2016, 08:33 PM)
Hmm it's not constant,you know that sound of ice crackling when being pour hot water.sounds like that but upon checking there is no ice or wet with water or moisture.Really weird first time experience this. It's considered new acson provided by condo developer.
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What you meant is the cracking sound from the plastics? I have customer experience this before. Even I'm in the aircon field for many years I couldn't explain to them. More likely is like the plastic absorb the temperature too cold and then wen the compressor stop. The temperature starts a little warm then the sound appear.
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post Oct 19 2016, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(wayne @ Oct 19 2016, 02:55 PM)
yes, that funny cracking sound. was there any solution to that?
anyway this morning the contractor came and serviced it and so far tested its solved!!
cant understand why it had that sound and after cleaned the whole unit now its fine.

wanted to ask as well, is RM 80 expensive for service?
- just plain wash, no chemical involved (the guy claimed use chemical on new aircon will shorten the life span?)
- use brush and cloth to clean the coils
- remove blower,cover,louvers to wash.
- as condo management dont allow water washing of compressor. Only used pressured air/air gun to blow clean the external compressor.
- refill gas

thanksss
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Yes. Chemical will damage the coil IF not properly dilute. Or using acid will damage the coils. Safer way is use alkaline type of coil cleaners but use at mild solution and rinse with pressure gun. Brushing it is clean too but the inner part of coil is still dirty. Still suggest fully blast with pressure gun for optimum result.

80 is cheap. They could dismantle the outdoor to wash but at the price at 80 you can't expect much.
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post Oct 21 2016, 01:13 AM

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QUOTE(PAKERMOY @ Oct 20 2016, 08:48 PM)
Hi need opinion here.

My room 23 feet length x 7f width x 7f height ( with morning and afternoon sun till about 4.30pm

My old non inverter air cond 1.5hp
My controller  set to 20 celcius ,  But my room temperature maintain at about 25 celcius +\-  ( even on for 12 hours also 25 degree +\-)

My question : Is that mean my aircond is undersize because room temperature couldn't meet 20 celcius?
I learned from article saying over or undersize my aircond will still burn my wallet. Need advice tq.

I attach pictures as below
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No. is not like this. Many people will think. I set temperature at 20 I could get 20 or some other brand offers you set to 16 but it couldn't get into 16 Celsius.

If a proper good condition aircon (not dirty or some other defects) outlet temperature from the louver you could get about 13 - 14 Celsius. When air blow out which can reach you should be + another 10 Celsius = 23 to 24 Celsius. Surrounding temperature would be different depending on the heat load in the room. If the temperature measurement from the aircon have no problem but your rooms doesn't get at least 23 to 24 (surrounding temperature) which means the aircon have defects such as need servicing or faulty parts or your aircon is underside.

Reason why the temperature maintain at 25 cause your compressor try hard to give you 20 Celsius. But once almost reach 20 the compressor cut off and then heat begin increase. After about 5 to 10 mins. The compressor kick in again and try to cool down and then repeat.

So I suspecting heat in your room is quite high.
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post Oct 22 2016, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(PAKERMOY @ Oct 22 2016, 11:40 AM)
Need more opinions pls help
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You go for 2.0hp inverter. You're a person who looking for solid cooling. Achieving 20 Celsius in a room is kinda hard tho.
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post Oct 24 2016, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(ahmai2332 @ Oct 24 2016, 11:26 AM)
All SIFU,

my new installed aircond (approx 3 month). Daikin Inverter 1.0 HP. recently have loud sound "HU...HU....Hu...." after switch on. previously new installed is quiet.

Any one can advice?
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The sound you mentioning looks like the airflow not blowing consistent. Do check the filters first. Clean it and try again. If is still have the sound then check the blower wheel at the louver. Use a torch light to check if have dust and mold in it.
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post Oct 25 2016, 01:52 AM

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QUOTE(panda-man @ Oct 25 2016, 01:10 AM)
aiyoooo. hmm. then maybe consider getting non-inverter hahah. the piping is not concealed in concrete, but behind plasterboard. maybe can just pull it. hmm.gif

the AC i got in my bedroom i just found out is 2.5HP. which is a bit overkill hahah. i think 2 is nice and slightly oversized... 2.5 really... dunno what the previous owner was thinking.
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Bro. Not only none inverter need to replace the piping. All Aircon stated using R410A refrigerant need to replace the pipes. Good luck!

Usually the old Aircon I will donate to rumah orang tua or rumah kanak cacat. Some of them really tight budget in getting air-conditioning. Donate to them is helpful.

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