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post Jun 19 2016, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(abuabdullah @ Jun 19 2016, 07:58 AM)
Hi Guys

I just buy new daikin 1.5 hp INVERTER.I get confius on how to wiring it.My friend said that from breaker wiring to compressor(outdoor) first, then to indoor because that is normally wiring for inverter.

But the diagram shown that from breaker it goes to indoor unit first later go to outdoor.Here i attach the picture of port and diagram

A)Breaker-Outdoor-Indoor
B)Breaker-Indoor-Outdoor
Which one?

Please advice im newbie
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This diagram is breaker indoor to outdoor.
1 and 2 is L N for outdoor and Sig is signal.
Outdoor have 2 stage diode bridge which is the same. You can connect either top or bottom.

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post Jun 23 2016, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(Freakystein @ Jun 23 2016, 09:29 AM)
Hi Guys, looking to replace my existing 1hp inverter to 1.5hp inverter. Possible to do it without changing the existing piping as it is already conceal.
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The only possible way is to find the same piping size but the unit is 1.5hp. Usually piping for 1.5hp is 1/4 - 1/2 inches for Daikin pana or ME. However, I found a unit which is Fujitsu inverter model ASAG12JLCA/AOAG12JLCA the piping is using 1/4 - 3/8. I'm not sure about samsung lg Sharp or other brands. You can always check it on their broucher upon visit the air con shop.

Good luck.
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post Jun 24 2016, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(Freakystein @ Jun 23 2016, 09:41 PM)
I see. Never used Fujitsu or really heard about their aircon.

Guess my best bet will be to use back the same 1HP inverter then. Btw, for a room size of around 180 sqft, can i use a 1 HP aircon? The room does not have direct sunlight and it is facing north.
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Before it was 1.0hp. And you plan to change it to 1.5. So I assume 1.0hp isn't really enough for you although the space is about 180sq. Is really up to you tho. For my perspective more cooling is better than less in our tropical country. Sometimes we can't predict how hot it will be in Malaysia.
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post Jun 24 2016, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(Johannas @ Jun 23 2016, 11:47 PM)
i'm planning to install ceiling casette aircond for my house. is it advisable to install the aircond first before getting my plaster ceiling done?
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You can install the plaster bone first. Let the air con man finish run the piping and drain pipe then only ask the plaster guy to cover the whole ceiling. Get the air con man and plaster man to meeting. Both of them must discuss first. Once done run the pipes, ask the plaster guy to cut approx 34 x 34 inches for the air con. And a 12 x 12 main hole for servicing. Then air con only install.
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post Jun 26 2016, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(redbluez18 @ Jun 26 2016, 10:41 AM)
May i know what is the market rate for installation of air con 1hp/1.5hp and 2hp at 2 storey house? Estimated??
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1hp - 1.5hp
Rm250 for r410 inclusive
10 ft copper pipe
10 ft drain pipe
Bracket
Wiring to nearest power point with cable clips

2hp - 2.5hp is around rm350 for r410
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post Jul 12 2016, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(greyshadow @ Jul 11 2016, 08:57 AM)
Sifus, my kid's room aircon is causing power tripping, managed to isolate to the aircon being the culprit
switched on few minutes then will trip the main, but not always, but strange it usually only happen when switch on at night

it's a 8 years old Panasonic 1HP, I think we have changed the capacitor twice previously

Usually what's the main culprit in this case? the split unit or the compressor? or even bad wiring? cos the aircon tech took down the whole split unit last time for cleaning hmm.gif

Is it worth to fix it, or better to get a brand new one? doh.gif
just replace the washing machine last week, now the aircon doh.gif cry.gif
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If is more than 5 years and now it's breakdown you might consider to get a new one. Afraid that after repaired than other stuff spoil. And then will cost you a fortune to replace a new one.

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post Jul 14 2016, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(ahkao @ Jul 13 2016, 02:36 PM)
Hi,i ned some technical knowledge/ support.
I just order 1unit haier 2.0hp (basic R410A model ) for my living hall use. Coz i hav a tight budget, so i planning to borrow a foreign worker from my relative to do hacking for conceal the piping. Now the installer quote me if oni do installation n copper pipe (20ft) gonna cost me rm 500+.
Since i gonna do hacking myself, y don't i jus go buy the copper piping n wiring oso.
So anybody knows if use a 2.0hp non-inverter R410A Basic model , wat is the diameter size  of the copper pipe?thanks.
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1/4 high side pipe
Thickness 0.61 (withstand r410 pressure)

5/8 low side pipe
Thickness 0.61 (withstand r410 pressure)

Or could be..

1/2 low side for 2.0hp you need to check your air con spec first before purchase the pipes. 1/4 is definitely need it. Is just the low side pipe could be different.

Insulation get 7/8 x 3/8 1 piece insulation is 6 feet so you need get 4 piece for 20 ft

Wiring tri-core get about 30ft for extra. Wiring get either

1. Fajar cable (sirim approved)
2. Million cable (sirim approve)

Or 2.5mm pure copper cable. 2.5mm will get in separate colors red/black/green

Tri-core is all in one. 2.5mm durability is better for concealed job.
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post Jul 15 2016, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(bee993 @ Jul 15 2016, 11:05 AM)
When have fren do aircon say that it is the  best option wat can we do except support and trust him.

Juz feel that the technician try to rip me off or double charge for same thing from pensonic n me.maybe i wrong that y i post here c any senior can comfirm this practice is normal or not.
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The brand I'm working with only charge for compressor replacement after a year. Means we provide 1 year free charges and spare parts. However compressor is 5 years warranty. Within a year if compressor dead we do not charge a single cents. But after a year. We have charges for the labour but not the compressor.
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post Jul 16 2016, 08:27 AM

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QUOTE(bee993 @ Jul 16 2016, 01:11 AM)
Mine is within a year.guess ntg can do now except take as trust wrong ppl
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Your case like this is not acceptable. Totally wrong.
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post Jul 17 2016, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(fireballs @ Jul 17 2016, 10:51 PM)
daikin 1hp inverter cost rm1550 with installation 10ft pipes. expensive?
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Include wiring?
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post Jul 17 2016, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(fireballs @ Jul 17 2016, 11:44 PM)
i suppose basic. not to db.
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Not expensive then. Is reasonable.
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post Aug 12 2016, 12:36 AM

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QUOTE(eddyann @ Aug 11 2016, 04:57 PM)
Item 3 is not correct. water produced by the surrounding humidity in the room at the cooling coil. imagine like a cold can of coke. cooling coil is the can. after some time there will be a water droplet. if the refrigerant is not enough, the cooling coil is not that cold thus, there should be less or no water droplet. if u open the indoor unit, there is long pvc drainage cup just below the cooling coil as a water catchment
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Item 3 is one of the possible way of water leakage. If the refrigerant is not enough. The liquid line gets colder. When the liquid line run through the cooling coil the water droplets at cooling coil tend to get bigger and it will pull out from the blower wheel. Usually cooling coil will will receive the liquid at the back of the indoor (mostly cooling coil is in V shape) and then to the front. Since is not enough refrigerant, the front coil will not get cold after the liquid is evaporated into gas. Worst scenario it will get frozen up and you can't get the maximum cooling capacity. If a unit is enough of refrigerant. The water will get much more tiny and it will flow down from the coil to the drain pan. I have some example at the following pictures. This unit is a R410 non inverter. You can check out how bad is the leakage. Btw. Recommended psi for R410 is 130 - 150psi


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post Aug 12 2016, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(eddyann @ Aug 12 2016, 08:40 AM)
130-150 psi is quite high for the non inverter? mostly I saw between 60-80 psi
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Not only inverter or non inverter needs recharge more than 100 psi, any air con which is using HFC refrigerant (R410) needs more than that. Are you mentioning about R22 ? R22 is less than 70psi.

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post Aug 16 2016, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(XP750 @ Aug 16 2016, 09:01 PM)
bump question
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Why the price is expensive is because it gives better benefit and advantage. Cassette usually mount at the center of the area. it has 4 air vents where the air comes out. So cassette require a larger fan motor and lightweight blower wheel to produce this capacity to ensure each area get to cool down faster compare to a wall mounted.

This is 1 cost

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Cassette has a build in water pump in it. If you find your area don't have a proper place to discharge. Well. Cassette have 2 types of choice to discharge. Not forget the powerful water pump can push the water up to 2 feet to the top and flow down gradually.
1. Discharge at the top of the ceiling to outside
2. Discharge from top to ground to outside

This is another cost

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Cassette panel nowadays have surround air meanwhile traditional cassette only have 4 way to bring the cool air out. With this design. End user get to enjoy more comfortable air wherever they are in the area. With this design...

There's another cost.

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If your cassette is has a inverter function. There's another cost

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Cost more compare to a wall mounted.

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post Sep 1 2016, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Aug 30 2016, 11:23 AM)
hi guys, am about to install aircond for my unit.

can i check with you guys, i am planning to install a 2 HP AC, should I go for normal type or cassette type? what are the pros and cons? any one can shed me some lights?

the current piping is ready at the living hall but i am planning to install a cassette in between living hall and dining hall, so i dont have to install 2. that means i will have to remove the current piping.

how about costs? any idea? is it more expensive for cassette type in general?

how about the brand? which brand is reliable and good? sorry my first time doing all these. thanks!
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You have layout?
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post Sep 11 2016, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(xavier1782 @ Sep 11 2016, 12:52 AM)
Hi Sifus, need advice on my room aircond situation.

Current setup:
Aircond: 1.5HP Midea
Room size: 24ft X 14ft x 8ft

Problem: With the current A/c the room does not get that cold, need to on for such a long time to get it to decent coldness. Can never feel too cold like winter that you decide to off the a/c.

My plan: is to change the a/c was thinking daikin a/c (non-inverter)

Question:
- what HP a/c should i get and what brand ?
- can i use the existing piping if i choose to get the 2.0HP a/c ?

Thanks in advance.
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Your room need 2.0hp to support your room base on the measurement you provided. Since your old ac is Midea 1.5hp the piping should be size at 1/4 and 1/2 in inches and the thickness is confirm less than 0.61mm

Nowadays the piping for Daikin, Pana, ME or Acson in 2.0hp should be using the same measurement as the 1.5hp Midea but in terms of the thickness, mostly aircon man will suggest to replace the old piping with the new inverter piping cause the thickness is different (R410- 0.61mm) (R22- 0.51mm) so here's the trick, we know latest refrigerant needs at least 0.61mm to support the pressure but... If your piping is not concealed then I will suggest to replace entire piping. If your piping is concealed and don't wanna spend a big buck. Tell your aircon man to braze the 0.61mm piping near the indoor and outdoor joints. This trick is safe too and will not blown the joints if the technician is well experience in brazing.

Not to forget the piping need to do entire flush down with nitrogen. The oil in the old piping is very contaminated.

Your case is still have hope to replace a 2.0hp air con. You just need to find a right guy to do it.

Check the picture for the Midea 1.5hp and Pana 2.0hp piping size. Is actually to suit your needs. Just thickness different but it can be solve.

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post Sep 13 2016, 07:09 PM

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QUOTE(cadmus @ Sep 13 2016, 05:02 PM)
Hello,

Need advice for aircon setup. Currently, below are the concealed pipings for my unit by the developer:-
1) Living room: up to 2.0 HP non-inverter aircon, with 0.56mm copper piping
2) Master Bedroom: up to 1.5 HP non-inverter aircon, with 0.56mm copper piping
3) Bedroom 2 & Bedroom 3: up to 1.0 HP non-inverter aircon, with 0.56mm copper piping

The question i have is, can i install inverter aircon with R410A and using this existing piping without any brazing? Note the piping is 0.56mm though. Unsure whether it makes any difference from 0.51mm or not.

Many thanks!
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0.57mm still in my room as test lab. It's about 2 years. So far not blown yet. But still suggest to braze with 0.61mm first as I still not confirm will it burst for another 3 years. Btw is not a difficult job for the tech guy to braze it. Just make sure they braze it properly.

Play safe first. Ask them to braze.

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post Sep 25 2016, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(smokey @ Sep 24 2016, 09:24 PM)
Any 1 here got use multi-split unit?
Is much more expensive? How about electricity usage?
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Much more expensive. Compare to 3 sets single split. Multi save more.

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post Sep 26 2016, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(echoesian @ Sep 25 2016, 08:44 PM)
Anyone know how to check if the existing house plaster ceiling is enough space to install the ceiling cassette air con?
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Need to make a hole for a person to look up + measure + check how to runs the pipes.
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post Sep 26 2016, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(thenuts15 @ Sep 26 2016, 03:51 PM)
Mitsubishi Non Inverter Deluxe 1.0HP model MS-GK10VA.
Any1 have any comments on it?
I got it for RM1460 with installation.
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I find this model airflow noise quite loud.

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