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voscar
post Sep 26 2023, 07:55 PM

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QUOTE(pigduck @ Sep 25 2023, 10:38 PM)
I think the open and larger space means the inverter will be redundant because there's just too many places where the air will become warm again so the inverter will run at a constant speed hence why getting a non-inverter works better.
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Just for reference, my small living room now with 2hp Mitsubishi inverter, now I set 30c fan speed 1 only is cool enough.

On hot day compressor will run at normal consuming 4A. At night with Windows showing temperature 27-28c, compressor usually run 3A initially, then gradually reduce to 2A. So there's still power saving compare to fixed speed running non speed. Used to have fixed speed compressor, my father cannot tolerate the hotness with compressor stop, so we never let the compressor stop. With inverter, he's the one setting the higher temperature to enjoy cool breeze air instead of chilling cold
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post Sep 26 2023, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(YoungMan @ Sep 26 2023, 08:07 PM)
I think the larger HP does help to cool down faster hence the compressor can slow down and provide some savings. Btw, whats the easiest way to check electric usage of the compressor, like how many A it currently run?
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My father installed amp meter himself.


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post Sep 26 2023, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(pigduck @ Sep 25 2023, 09:24 PM)
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Will the room still feel cold? This one only yourself can answer because coolness is individual feeling and different environment...

My house still have 2 older 13 years old Mitsubishi Heavy Industries 1hp fixed speed compressor aircond unit. I recall 5 years back my father did unmount the power switch and tap the clamp meter to measure, the ampere did fluctuate up down 3.8A - 4A, regardless setting fan speed full blasts or slow quiet mode, due to its the compressor itself running and drawing huge current.

Want save electricity on fixed speed? Perhaps you may experiment set 25-27c with higher fan speed (but filter clogged faster), so let the compressor have chances to stop-run-stop cycle, but don't let it happen too frequent. On my recent stay at hotel experience, their compressor will stop at night even with 24c set. You really have to experiment the coolness and adjust the temperature yourself...
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post Oct 14 2023, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Oct 14 2023, 01:02 PM)
2. from 2739 to 1356 kwh a year, easy to recoup the cost

3. Suspected pinhole leak along the return line.. just like blood in human, it never leak in a closed system but if u have a papercut or similar there goes the blood/refrigerant, contaminated w moisture. When refrigerant contaminated then it affect its gaseous point (it supposed to deliver cold LIQUID to IDU then collect heat and draw it away via suction line in the form of GAS/VAPOUR back to ODU)

4. Unlikely to have significant impact coz haze is not heat wave.
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Speaking of pinhole leak, it was scary experience and not able to detect normally...

Last year my 4 years old Panasonic 1.5hp inverter I complain not so cold, earlier that year compressor would run full speed for 5 mins then slowed down to almost non existent, after 5 mins recovers back itself and repeat the cycle, can only use low speed fan mode not stress the compressor.

Then few months later start showing signs not cold, the authorized technician came and said the gas pressure too high, I think 190psi something, but we never add any refrigerant and i recall the technician also didn't add when installing this unit new at that time. So he releases the gas pressure back to 150psi but no longer cooling, so proceed to replace compressor under warranty. But with standard 150 psi pressure, the cooling performance still not up to expectation, so ask him come again to check he increases to 170 psi, which was good cooling.

Earlier this year, aircond start not cooling again, so that same shop another technician came. This time the pressure found dropped to 120 psi, so he increases to 170 psi back to normal. He explain it seems the aircond have pinhole leak somewhere, that takes a few months only drop slightly, not easy to detect... if want to check, the inspection fee alone I think 300 bucks if not mistaken, that doesn't include part replacement. He also said 1.5hp seems underpowered for my living room, that's why have to increases the pressure higher than standard 150psi to get the correct cooling, this theory legit kah?

Sure enough, after 3 months again the AC not cooling, this time straight replace a new one with 2hp.
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post Oct 14 2023, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Oct 14 2023, 04:45 PM)
One thing is sizing need to be optimal otherwise the AC won’t be able to perform well.

It’s also impt to note it’s not equal stepping
If you look at the btu figures
It’s more like 1.0, 1.3, 1.8 and 2.2 ton cooling capacity
For living room of 8*3m require 2ton cooling. A 1.3 (so called 1.5HP) wouldn’t be enough. So he was trying to “overclock” the 1.5HP to get more power out of it by increasing gas pressure but that won’t magically make it a 2HP. It does increase the cooling capacity a bit but it stresses the compressor motor
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I think my living room 18m² only, last time measured 4.x * 4.x something... but used 1.5hp since 1990s old Toshiba until recent years only change. Maybe old days R22 non inverter very tahan lasak
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post Oct 15 2023, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(pigduck @ Oct 15 2023, 12:03 AM)
so these pinhole leaks happen near the AC unit or compressor? Not along the copper pipe from compressor to unit?
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No idea, already moved on change to current AC. Don't want to spend anymore for checking and replace part on that, too much money and time wasted
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post Oct 15 2023, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(frossonice @ Oct 14 2023, 08:33 PM)
It is Purchase With Purchase promotion. I told him in his face that it is false advertising to promote like this.
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Report to KPDN for misleading advertisement, else the marketing team will keep repeat same method, either no mention but limited to 1 unit etc.. then we have infamous Lau Li Kung scored that single unit, lol
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post Feb 5 2024, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(Benefon @ Feb 1 2024, 01:16 PM)
You guys miss out, Mitsubishi Electric deluxe model.
I am using starmex model in Singapore, super good condition
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Malaysia don't have this StarMax model.. I'm using the standard JS inverter model, very bulky I don't know why still call as Mr. Slim
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post Feb 10 2024, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(Benefon @ Feb 8 2024, 03:32 PM)
Ya, I'd argeed with you, the outdoor size really important for overall cooling.
The outdoor biger size = more coin fins and surface to get quicky heat-exchange.
Some brand/model become getting smaller size, cutting cost here cut there, there is not cold for all time.  hmm.gif
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Is it? Surprisingly my mitsubishi JS inverter 2.0hp outdoor unit size I think equal or smaller than my previous Panasonic 1.5hp inverter it replaces, and they both smaller than Daikin 1.5hp standard non-inverter.

Also the mitsubishi I found the outdoor fan running on really slow mode unless I lower the temperature and increases indoor fan speed.. the heat dissipation not as good on sunny afternoon day. Panasonic one outdoor unit is fixed fan speed quite fast actually.

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post Feb 24 2024, 04:47 PM

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Benefon The most annoying "feature" of Mitsubishi Electric aircond is the blower flap will automatically swing to upper position blowing to ceiling after 30 mins, it says is to avoid condensation at the blower flap causes water dripping, stated inside user manual. But very annoying indeed always has to readjust the blower position after 30 mins

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post Feb 24 2024, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(Benefon @ Feb 24 2024, 06:00 PM)
Are you having which model?
This one more like 24k or GR series.
Left right can set automatically swing or set on left or right fixed position. The up down swing , normally I set on automatic mode, this is super quiet , don’t have swing motor noise at all
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JS model 2hp, yes got left right swing.
We preferred fixed position blowing to cool down our body in hot day instead of swinging.
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post Feb 27 2024, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(pigduck @ Feb 27 2024, 08:28 PM)
I'd get the AUX.

Also how is everyone's inverter AC performing during this heat wave? What is your energy consumption like?

My non-inverters are using a lot of electricity.
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This month bill RM111, up from usual RM60-80, probably sometime we also use non-inverter AC at sleeping room on for hours.

For Mitsubishi Electric 2.0hp inverter, previously setting 29c it will lower the running current to 2-3A after initial run, but nowadays almost constant 4A most of the time, so not much saving to be honest in heatwave.

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post Feb 29 2024, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(GamersFamilia @ Feb 28 2024, 03:04 PM)
how often did you guys clean up the filters ?
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Sure or not so dirty one? You referring aircond at home or office?
Home one even my living room daily usage, quarterly wash once still not so dirty yet.
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post Feb 29 2024, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(Benefon @ Feb 29 2024, 03:52 PM)
From Thailand
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MHI one heard lower end model OEM from China, forgot which brand.
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post Feb 29 2024, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(-PatheticSoul- @ Feb 29 2024, 10:20 AM)
hi all!

my died recently and was reading through the thread for a/c replacement.

I only turn my a/c on at night for about 2-3 hours, so I'm leaning towards non-inverter a/c.

Is this a/c ok? - Mitsu JR

if u guys have any suggestions, please share. thank you!
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Mitsubishi one 30 mins will automatically adjust the blower to swing up, you ok? Quite annoying to me
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post Feb 29 2024, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(Benefon @ Feb 29 2024, 06:29 PM)
Are you sure in 30mins ?
I using so many years already, how come I didn’t know, taken 30mins stop and 30mins downward 🤣
Moving up down slightly slower than the most brands
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Thought I have already share the statement from the owners manual


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post Feb 29 2024, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(Benefon @ Feb 29 2024, 08:40 PM)
Manual only , I though you are install already, later I snap a video to you u how is the work on up down swing
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I already said I was annoyed with it, how come if I'm not using I would be complain on this?

I also mentioned we preferred fixed position blowing direct to the position we preferred for comfortable cooling, but after 30 mins this will automatically adjust itself swing to blow upwards to ceiling position.

Why you keep saying auto swing left right up down? We don't want auto swing bro
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post Feb 29 2024, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(Benefon @ Feb 29 2024, 08:43 PM)
The manual didn’t say, work in 30mins when during up down and left right swing , where did u get the info?

Manual setup can select 1-5 step, if set on auto, it’s continuously up down swing lah


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Bro, you didn't saw my screenshot? Extract out for you...

"If the lower position is selected during COOL/DRY, the vane automatically moves to the upward position after 0.5 to 1 hour to prevent any condensation from dripping."
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post Mar 1 2024, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(Benefon @ Feb 29 2024, 11:03 PM)
Condensation from dripping , you are confirm that set on dry mode?

Hahah please lah , don’t use dry mode, set on cold. Otherwise how you enjoy the aircon?
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I use only Cold mode, never use Dry Mode.
I'm not sure what you don't understand... my English so terrible?
First, when I on aircond, the blower was fixed at blowing at lowest position where I'm sitting.
After 30 mins, the blower shift itself to blow upwards to ceiling and stay there forever. Can you understand or not?


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post Mar 1 2024, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(Benefon @ Mar 1 2024, 07:09 AM)
Mind to tell which model do you install it?
Do you watch my video?
I used Mitsubishi Electric more than 15 years.
Don’t have this function, all the while is automatically up down swing very smoothly. 🤣
Does not mean , I don’t understand what you’re saying, i wanna to find out which is the model and what setting are you set on this.

Malaysia have.
GR , JS and JR with the super deluxe model LN series.

This is my setting.
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JS 2.0hp, if you check a few models' owners manual on Mitsubishi Electric Malaysia website, I think all should have this "feature", at least I check JR non inverter also have it.

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