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post Jun 25 2018, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(8sg9ft @ Jun 25 2018, 09:33 AM)
Just would like to know, are there other aircond brands out there in the market that has the same indirect cooling feature like what Panasonic has?

Also, any forummers here have experience with Mitsubishi Electric? Never really fancied the brand before but one electric shop salesperson tried to convinced me to get it. Like the easy cleaning feature though where you can open up the vanes and all that to wipe the inside
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What you mean indirect cooling? What feature is this.

I m using the Mit aircon. I brought it for easy cleaning. Overall run more quiet.
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post Jun 30 2018, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(mentalmuz @ Jun 30 2018, 08:20 AM)
Hey guys, as I’m upgrading my master bedroom to 2hp, I have problem what to do with my old 1.5hp daikin inverter. I’m thinking to move it to my other room but those rooms are smaller 10ft*10ft. I think this room just require 1hp. So if I oversized to use 1.5hp inverter, will it still save electricity?
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Yes it is save.

Provided set to auto everything. Let the prg do the job.
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post Jul 13 2018, 09:24 AM

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QUOTE(slimey @ Jul 11 2018, 01:50 AM)
compressor weak? you better get a different aircon guy.
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It is weak because the compression ratio is getting less. It mean need longer time to compress a bar of pressure than a new 1.

Compressor make from metal component which grind each other with some oil lubricant. Just like a car engine.

If compare the TNB bill last time which is low, it is better to get a new aircon. Continue running it will not save your money.
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post Jul 13 2018, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(realitec @ Jul 11 2018, 09:04 AM)
Hi, recently eyeing for a house Rm295k, double storey terrace, but my friend brought 1 contractor along to see the house. The contractor walked upstairs and tell my friend, there is no aircon thinggy being installed, might cost us alot when the house is VP, then we need to pay some money to get the aircon installed. I wonder what does he means? He got no knowledge in this too, i assume, do you think maybe the DB got no slot for aircon? would it be possible?

Because this is a low cost property, i wonder is it normal it might cost alot for a new house to install aircon? Or any professional might forseen any issue for a low cost property to install aircon, kindly advise. Appreciate it.
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He means that no wire point for aircon in the room. This is normal for low cost house.

So got to hack the wall to lay the wire from DB and piping to outside after the house ready. That is additional cost to install a aircon.

DB have plenty of slot.
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post Jul 13 2018, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(realitec @ Jul 13 2018, 10:23 AM)
From your opinion, is it normally DB would have the slot for aircon, just there is no point from DB to upstairs right? Normally how much do the cost to install 3 aircons upstairs in this case?
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DB is easily to create a point. Just add a MCB and some short wiring. And if not enough slot, just create another DB below or ontop the existing DB.

The messy job is wiring point to the room.

If you install 3 aircon, you need to check your incoming supply is enough or not. Low cost house normally equip with 32A of fuses. That not enough for 3 aircon. got to upgrade to 60A fuse.

Than aircon wiring. I not sure what is the cost.

If the house not yet built, why not discuss with the developer to add in such point. Pay it if require. That save you alot.
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post Jul 18 2018, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(renyyz @ Jul 17 2018, 05:56 PM)
my company want short cost for repair aircond. since my boss see my background is mechanical, so he told me to fix the aircond myself -.-
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You better resign before he ask you to repair his car also.
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post Jul 31 2018, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(aurion @ Jul 30 2018, 10:05 AM)
I kena before on my old Inverter (CS/CU-S10MKH) outdoor unit, rusting around the valves area. Visible under the unit as well as when the valve cover is removed. Indoor wise, like what Slimey said, had some dust collection on the cooling coil on the indoor unit. What I do nowadays on my newer units, I use a paint brush to clean the cooling coils.
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All the brand aircon have a anti rust treatment before spray paint. It should not be easily rust. (My experience)

What cause it is that some shoddy anti rust treatment quality.

During installation, the installer scratch the cover and unit. Specially the bottom parts. That scratch remove the paint and antirust and bare the metal to the air. That is where the rust come from.
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post Sep 1 2018, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(Queryz @ Aug 30 2018, 10:55 AM)
hi guys. what aircond brand is good? am bout to buy panasonic 1.5hp premium inverter model css13tkh with R410a gas.. is that good? or nay suggestion? i saw r32 quite good..
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Aircon manufacturing are out of stock due to 0% gst sapu.

Panasonic and daikin is the most hot aircon people sapu.
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post Oct 13 2019, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(voscar @ Oct 12 2019, 11:10 PM)
Cute baby aircond at the hotel I staying. Not enough cooling during afternoon, night still OK.
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Not mistaken 1hp. Saw it before.

The aircon install too high. It block the air intake from the top.
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post Oct 14 2019, 08:23 AM

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QUOTE(Jason @ Oct 14 2019, 03:06 AM)
I guess it’s 0.75hp. MHI
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Yes. you're correct. This model been here sometime.
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post Nov 25 2019, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(yongtjunkit @ Nov 25 2019, 07:23 AM)
My Panasonic AC decided to stop working during the middle of the night with the timer led blinking

The error code is H99
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Gas pressure drop/low.

Or gas leaking.

Also, check the air filter got clog or not/ Cleaning.
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post Apr 13 2020, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(Par@dox @ Apr 11 2020, 02:01 PM)
My 12-year old Daikin Inverter aircon has stopped working, and I am considering on buying a new set instead of repairing.

Appreciate some advice :-

a) My current aircon uses R22 refrigerant. However, when I first installed it, I put in a thicker copper piping to future-proof so that if I were to replace my aircon a few years down the road with another that uses R410a (which operates at higher pressure), I can reuse the piping (the piping is embedded in the walls, so difficult to hack and change).

b) However, my aircon unit lasted more than 10 years and even R410a is obsolete now. The current aircons mainly use the R32 refrigerant. Does anyone have any experience with reusing the piping when switching from a R22 split aircon unit to a R32 unit?

c) From what I read, the oil used in R22 vs R32 is very different, thus, unless the piping is flushed very well, it may cause problems. Also, the piping needs to be able to handle the higher pressure of R32 as compared to R22.

d) Would it lower risk to switch to a R410a aircon instead if I want to reuse my existing copper piping?

Thanks.
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So ngam. My 12yrs old panasonic inverter aircon also look like kong already. Yesterday comeout error 11H. (communication error.)

Today tried clean and repair the wiring connection. Still error comeout.

Will change to Mitsubishi aircon.
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post Apr 13 2020, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(Par@dox @ Apr 13 2020, 10:22 PM)
I guess 10 to 15 years is expected lifespan for most aircons. Just curious, why are you considering to change to Mitsubishi instead of sticking to Panasonic?
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Panasonic is not bad. This is 2nd unit using Panasonic for the front room.

My backroom is using Mitsubishi. So I can compare both.

The good about Mitsubishi is it easy to clean the blower. The vane flap can be open and swing to the side. Left the space wide for hand or vacuum to go in.

Also, the blower locates lower for easy clean.

I feel the blower noise lower than the Panasonic.

So this time I prefer to change to Mitsubishi.

My home aircon lifetime average 10-12yrs. With everyday run for at least 8hr for sleep.
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post Apr 14 2020, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(Par@dox @ Apr 14 2020, 10:25 AM)
Yah man.. worst time for aircon to kong. I am the same predicament.. of all the aircons, the one in my bedroom has to fail. Now I can't even get a technician to help me install a new one until MCO is over.
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Yup, My panasonic aircon also problem 2days ago. Damn this MCO.

I got to try repair by myself tomorrow. Hope fully not the PCB problem.



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post Apr 23 2020, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(Volksjager @ Apr 23 2020, 07:59 AM)
I think R410A units are equally efficient and it's technically 50% R32 and also R410A units comes with bigger ODUs, hence negates the possibility of having lower efficiency. As per a research document from Diakin, R32s produce more acids compared to R410A during operation which corrodes expansion valves hence they had to tweak POE oil with acid catcher additives to reduce the corrosion levels. R32s are only 4% more efficient than R410A as per that document. I have seen many Mitsubishi units that are very reliable with R410A and also does not cut off if the outdoor temperatures exceeds 43 degrees and I heard that R32 units cut off early due to excessive heat produced by the R32, but this depends on the type of compressor and design. For example reciprocating compressors can work well beyond 43 compared to Rotary. So it's basically depends on the technologies incorporated into the compressors, I am not saying R32 machines does not work at a high outside temperature, but I am comparing older R32 units Vs older R410A here. There are some R32 Models made by ME/MHI that are rated to work even at 50 degrees C today. But comparatively R410A units are a little expensive and rated BTU/HR on R410A units are comparatively higher. Current R410A ME/MHI Non-Inverter units are mostly R410A. And most of the bigger VRF/VRV are also R410A. And general consensus is that, it is also safer for the technician during filling of R410A gas compared to R32. (Subject to Correction). Will also upload the research document from Diakin when I find it.
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R410A is phasing out and replace by R32.

You might be hard to get in future.

Just like old freon gas replace by R410A.
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post Apr 24 2020, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(PJusa @ Apr 24 2020, 09:13 AM)
Thanks will do. Pana spare parts is closed so i cant do it myself  cry.gif
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Can try suppliers that might have the spare part. --> https://www.culmi.com.my/index.php
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post Apr 25 2020, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(Jason @ Apr 25 2020, 01:18 AM)
How about the noise level of the outdoor unit between Mitsubishi Electric (I assume yours is ME and not MHI?) and Panasonic?

I’m considering the ME JR series or the new Panasonic 2020 R32 CS-PN9WKH
Outdoor unit noise lower than Panasonic.

But it also depends on the placing and installation. Rather the unit problem.

I m using ME. The different between ME and MHI is that, MHI don't have any fancy feature. Cause it business target office and factory.


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post Apr 29 2020, 07:12 PM

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QUOTE(Par@dox @ Apr 29 2020, 06:48 PM)
thanks for sharing bro.. thanks to you i managed to contact them and get some spare parts to hopefully repair my Daikin on my own.

did you manage to self repair your aircon?
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Yup. Found out that 1 of the communication wire to the outdoor unit is high resistance. It means the wire might be corroded.

Temporary run a wire bypass it.

Been over a week run without problem. Next week will properly replace the whole wire.
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jan 25 2021, 09:25 PM)
So my wife kept making noise cause this unit was leaking and baby can’t sleep 😅 #yolo

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Jelly... jammed my entire drain pan. That purple stain, I’m suspecting the guy who serviced might have used iron remover 😓
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I think it was about 6 months since the last service.
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I got it on back without error code phew.
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Just brought a Mitsubishi JP serius 1.5hp aircon.

To replace the old Panasonic inverter. Aircon still running fine. Just aging and less cool.

JP series have the easy cleaning and dual coating. Easy clean help to easy get into the blower to clean. No need to take out the cover.

While dual coating reduce the dust stick to the coil and blower. J
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post Feb 7 2021, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Feb 7 2021, 06:20 PM)
JP series is the Mr.Slim right, which the R32 inverter is phased out unfortunately. So I went with Panasonic for my wall mounts for my new home since I got the hang of it on how to service them now.
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R22 is phase out.

R410A will phase out 2025

R32 is the latest replacement.

No Aircon have the easy clean accept Mitsubishi.

Cause I clean Panasonic aircon for over 20yrs. And I have another Mitsubishi aircon to compare.

But not all Mitsubishi aircon have easy clean.

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