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post Apr 30 2018, 10:07 PM

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As the Dividend declare on Jan yearly....
Just got back the 3% dividen which offset the 3% charges.
Which is about rm1.7k
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hmm.gif if a fund does not declare dividend, then cannot offset the sales charge ....
hmm.gif then a fund that declares dividend, should be better than those that did not gives out dividend??
hmm.gif what is the different between a dividend from stocks (stock market) and a dividend distribution from Unit trust?
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post May 1 2018, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(MakNok @ May 1 2018, 09:05 AM)
Stock market dividend is REAL unlike Mutual Fund.
Please elaborate more about this real and not real?

Invest in stock market wil be better option.
Yes, unless one has the characteristic and appetite for that...

If a fund didn't declare so call dividend mean someone didn't do proper analysis before jumping in.
Please eloborate more about this?...you mean got distibution is Better than those without distribution?

If got give dividend mean can offset the initial sale charges lo.
Please eloborate more about this?....i thought Guanteik mentioned just afew post up..."it's distribution, which means whatever declared is whatever was earned. You get back more in terms of units, but you don't earn that 3%."
is not true than?....if true how to offset? it is the money earned from the fund thus unit holder's money too....

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post May 1 2018, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(chilskater @ May 1 2018, 07:05 PM)
now age reached 55yrs old cant withdraw all money in EPF, must 60 yrs old can only withdraw all...a colleague of mine went there last week
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the normal account will be closed for new contribution effective the birthday of 55. what ever new contribution amount will be going into emas a/c
the normal a/c can withdraw all at age 55. the value in emas a/c can only be withdraw at age of 60.

thus your friend is correct....what is in the KWSP can not be withdraw all at age 55 bcos he/she also still has some in emas a/c.

EPF: No Change To Age 55 Withdrawal, And Introducing Akaun Emas For Age 60 Withdrawal
http://www.kwsp.gov.my/portal/en/news-list...DetailPage=true

Akaun Emas (Age 60 Withdrawal)
http://www.kwsp.gov.my/act/akaun-emas.html
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post May 2 2018, 03:13 AM

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QUOTE(chilskater @ May 2 2018, 12:13 AM)
he never applied emas akaun..
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No need to apply...it was given free automatically upon his/ her 55 birthday
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post Aug 2 2018, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(cyanlim @ Aug 2 2018, 10:15 AM)
Public mutual is not meant for short term investment, i yielded great profits in last year with investment in PRSEC and PFES about 8% to 8.5% ROI, but didn't sell out at that time , because i was just started to invest for 1 year.

Then this year because of the US-China Trade War now that both my funds are showing -ve in return meaning making a loss, but i will still continue invest because China's market won't be forever down and it will rise again is just the matter of time.
(some waited for 8~9 years for it to rise (2007/8 till 2016)....just imagine the "compounded" opportunity costs compiled with EPF money)

I would suggest to invest using EPF instead of cash, because of the sales charge % is different 3% EPF, and 5.5% for cash, therefore the breakeven point is lower if you invest using EPF. Unless you really have loads of cash till you don't know where else to invest.
(with EPF money.....there is always an opportunity cost abt 6% pa), thus fund must be able to earn > 8% pa (to compensate for the extra risk or this EPF almost risk free 6%)

My investment conditions:
1. Have sufficient cash flow in EPF or Cash.
2. Plan to invest long term 5 to 10 yrs or above.
3. Invest when price down, sell out when price high.
(what if the price went up before reaching 5 years?)
(sell before dividend distribution for the price are still higher, buy again after each distributions for the price will be lower, does this logic applicable too?)

4. Try look into new fund which selling at lower NAV price per unit.
(that means better to select funds based on lowest NAVs prices?)
5. Overseas fund high risk but high return. 
6. Local fund can invest but need to wait and be patient.
(every year under performance, the 6% EPF opportunity costs adds up)
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post Aug 6 2018, 09:03 AM

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QUOTE(NormalName @ Aug 6 2018, 03:11 AM)
if i invest  90k in public mutual fund for 15 years , not taking out .  if good market how much i can earn?
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depending on the type of fund you selected....some give returns of about 3% per annum while some gives 10% per annum....

the returns of each fund varies from yearly....some varies a lot while some varies a little year on year.

you can use this tool to plot and see....
click since commencement till end date

(just that not all funds has 15 yrs track record)

https://www.publicmutual.com.my/Home/Fund-Performance

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post Aug 17 2018, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(iamwilliamcwl @ Aug 17 2018, 12:04 PM)
how long have you invest?
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Mind sharing...which epf approved funds under pm can beat more than epf rate annually for the past 10 years or annualised 6.5% for the past 10 yrs?

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post Aug 17 2018, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(silverbolt143 @ Aug 17 2018, 10:12 AM)
Hi, im newbie here... just started withdrwing my EPF last March 2018 to invest in PB...also subscribe to PMO to monitor my fund and need some guidance....

My inception date as follows:
1) RM72,160 on 26/03/2018
2) add on RM53,939 on 16/08/2018

My question, is it normal to see my return in negative at this point of time? Overall is about -6.5% (minus 3% sales charges hence net -3.5% margin) upon inception..appreciate some advise....my current funds as per below:

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Regarding your question......yes...it is normal during bad markets environment n also depends on the funds you selected.
Bear in mind that for every year the fund not making at least 6.5% pa....the fund would not beable to recover the accumulated opportunity cost lost of epf rate.
Btw...there are just a handful of epf approved funds that can beat the annualised epf rate consistently....thus select well
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post Aug 18 2018, 08:19 AM

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QUOTE(effectz @ Aug 18 2018, 07:42 AM)
No such thing. You must construct a balanced portfolio in unit trust. UT tak sama dengan stock lor.

Everybody newbie will have thinking like this.
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what do you think?

iamwilliamcwl
if yes, also .....how to have a balanced port with epf approved PM unit trust funds?
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post Aug 20 2018, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(donhay @ Aug 20 2018, 10:05 AM)
Two reasons I put some of my epf money into Public Mutual

1 - diversification
2 - my PM agent is a pretty ahmoi, we sometimes meet for kopi
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icon_rolleyes.gif rclxm9.gif that I support,...even don't mid paying extra % of SC compared to others when doing the diversification.

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post Sep 18 2018, 08:15 AM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Sep 17 2018, 06:58 PM)
yes, I am ok with that....
so any suggestion on my earlier posting to you about portfolio diversification as mentioned by you?
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I liked the way you post this...
"I feel many people make a mistake for not diversifying their portfolio.
they invest solely on one fund and with not diversifying your portfolio, you are not able to take advantage of different sectors' weather wave.
not every sector is a bed of roses. therefore, with a well diversified portfolio, you can take the returns from those that are appreciating, and wait or the other side of the sector to come back to sunshine season again."

I does not wish to continue the to be in your statistic of many people make a mistake......do you know how?
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while waiting for his responses....

just to let you know......do you realise that the funds that you are holding are also being sector diversified by the fund managers...." to take advantage of different sectors' weather wave.
not every sector is a bed of roses. therefore, with a well diversified portfolio, you can take the returns from those that are appreciating, and wait or the other side of the sector to come back to sunshine season again."


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post Sep 30 2018, 09:14 PM

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wow,....if 5 years ago, if only had selected PGSF, PCSF, some others, things would have been much better........

read post 1518, page 76 by J.passing.by....it did show interesting data on PM funds that had beaten EPF rate

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post Oct 1 2018, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(markedestiny @ Oct 1 2018, 11:50 AM)
He pointed these funds can perform if your timing is right.  On retrospective, how many can of these new PM funds investors can time the market even experts can't
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focused on only 1 fund that only focused on a sector of the economy of that individual country is a very high bets investing,,,,,diversify the port, monitor and make changes in tune with the individual needs and expectation that changes with the environment...

like maknok mentioned...."whoever recommend you that fund should be shot to death.." biggrin.gif

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post Oct 1 2018, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(markedestiny @ Oct 1 2018, 01:59 PM)
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I believe most of the PM investors trust their PM agents with their investment until  too late ....
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yes, that is true too, but
i think at times...it is the investors that got it wrong too.......
they think that they can stomach the risk
they think that they can afford to lose some money
they think that they can afford to bet big and focused narrowly on it
they think that they are young and can afford to the periodic volatility and to invest long term
they think they know they risk appetite
they think they are well prepared to accept the outcome
they think they are what they think they are......until testing times revealed the truth...


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post Oct 3 2018, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(carlosandy @ Oct 3 2018, 04:00 PM)
May I know what funds you buying? 5 years impossible still loss, all my funds more than 5 years also got profit. U cash out dividend or repurchase?
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while waiting responses.....many of the info by him are posted in page 77 under a few posts.....
check them out??
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post Oct 4 2018, 06:35 AM

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Unit trust consultant should not do a crystal ball things....

do you think they are allowed to tell you what one should buy and hold for the future?
do you think they are allowed to tell you what one should buy that is against the needs of the investors? (if investor wanted possibility of high growth, would he suggest a bond fund?)

https://www.fimm.com.my/wp-content/uploads/...duct-220113.pdf


if got time and free, can read this for more info about putting a distinction to the advice freely provided by agents for financial products and the work of independent financial advisors (IFAs).
Will the real financial adviser please stand up?
Read more at https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...9rodwMqcLyRe.99

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post Oct 4 2018, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(gsan @ Oct 4 2018, 09:43 PM)
My UTC only say keep DDI  laugh.gif
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Apart from buying low, he/she would get a few % out if your ddi amount....☺
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post Oct 24 2018, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(Andy^L @ Oct 24 2018, 09:06 PM)
almost 10 yrs plus put in pbb fund still lost.. dun put to this stupid pbb fund..
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sorry to ask in time of pain,
may I ask what fund is that?
you investing in lumpsum from start or DCA from then & at what periodic interval?
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post Oct 30 2018, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(Nando Torres @ Oct 30 2018, 10:06 PM)
Hi Newbie here.

I would like to invest in PMF. And had been recommended the Public China Access Equity Fund.

Put it this way, how can anyone determine the fund is good?
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since you are new,....
1) have you use this to check and compare the performance and the expected ROIs?
2) are you prepared to lose 5.5% Service charge for your purchase?
3) do you have the expectation that this fund can have an ROI of abt -20% in this 12 months period?

thus IF you had invested into it 12 months ago...you would have lost abt 25% ...in paper already.....
how long will this losses go? are you prepared for it?
do you know Unit trust investment can make loses too?

https://www.publicmutual.com.my/Home/Fund-Performance

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post Oct 31 2018, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(Nando Torres @ Oct 31 2018, 09:15 AM)
THanks for the reply.

For 5.5% service charge, isn't that all the same also? I meant is there any fund which don't charge any service fee?

Ok..i didn't know about that. The graph is spiralling downward.
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Some other fund houses or resellers of unit trust funds charges less.....at times they hv 0% too.
Some people said...when spiraling down is a time to buy.....ha-ha....
Important...is what you think?

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