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post May 19 2015, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(barneysteinsson @ May 19 2015, 09:26 PM)
read a report yesterday stating that lovren is the best cb in the prem  blush.gif
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http://www.thisisanfield.com/2015/05/fans-...eague-defender/

Yes, that's why you and me and most anti dejan lovren doesn't know anything about football. You see sabermetrics suggest that he is on par or better than john terry, kompany, cahill (latest stats recorded when he is at LFC)

Guess why Liverpool is putting full faith on stats. Now you know. No longer using scouts, (real) managers guy feeling/intuition etc.

Pakai stat macam ini cukup. We paid 20miliion gem defender. It proves fans know nothing about real football, I guess sad.gif

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post May 19 2015, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(barneysteinsson @ May 19 2015, 10:02 PM)
but but.. football is more than just statistics  sad.gif
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You, me all old school la.

What do we know? wink.gif



I suppose maybe Rodgers too has the best stats for manager on par or better than jose, wenger, ancelotti, most definitely of course > rafa, which was probably why he was hired.

Yup, sabermetrics proved fans know nothing. wink.gif wink.gif

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post May 20 2015, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 20 2015, 09:03 AM)
Lovren is the best CB in the prem?
Wow, what a stat... laugh.gif

If not mistaken, I remembered someone posted before Allen also has one of highest pass completion stat, so a midfielder pass master, creative midfield?  whistling.gif

CB with the best stat,
Midfielder with high pass completion,

Lovren should be nullify opponent attacker easily, resulted lot of clean sheet for Liv.
Allen should have one of highest assist in EPL, that enable Liv scored many goals.
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post May 20 2015, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(sk1l @ May 20 2015, 03:12 PM)
Rafa has a way to bring in players to play particular roles. They may not be 1st rated players but they were recruited to play roles Rafa thought they could play in.
The academy players that were branded flop etc and got sent away from our academy were all brought in to play Rafa's style from young so as they make the progression into the 1st team they would be able to fit in right away. Rafa had a long term plan in Liverpool but the plan never materialized after his sacking.

Every manager after that played their own tactics while academy also played their own tactics so the young players if not super talented get wasted and released to find their own path.

If Rafa comes back, he would have to build a 1st team with average player wage around 70k a week only since FSG has removed all the top earners in LP squad. FSG doesn't mind throwing big money transfer kitty to buy players but they dont wanna give high wages. However, Rafa could rebuild the academy again. After 2-3 years or so the first batch of academy talents will start to stake their claim in the first team squad, playing Rafa's brand of football. That's when our revival will start.

Rafa has some stuff to do too if he ever comes back to LP. He needs to go get Paco back as his asst manager this time.

On the other hand, RM presents him with the perfect opportunity to build the squad he has in his mind. No need to settle for 2nd best when the club cannot get the player he wants. RM will break the bank to get the players as long as the team can produce results. Rafa will have no time for rebuilding at all. He will be expected to win right from the start.

So it comes down to heart vs head. His heart would say wait for LP but his head is clearly saying wait for RM.
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He still has the heart for Liverpool, that we all know. He feels he has unfinish business at Liverpool but everyone AT liverpol thinks the way to go is back to Liverpool way (of the old where one of the traditions were to keep it quite British/home grown, promoting ranks from within)

Whatever this is seen as positive or negatively by some quarters, we must remember the history of Liverpool and the many many successes of Liverpool's past managers and the best players that featured in the great Liverpool of the 70s-80s were British based.

Sure there were non English, but mostly as supporting players. Never as how "Rafa's Liverpool", where the core spine of the squad was almost mostly Spanish.

It won't happen again. It was a distant memory. Fans need to accept that.

Sometimes that irks me, we, Liverpool wants to stick by the rulez, FairPlay. In my mind I see all other clubs like big mean sharks laughing at Liverpool. I'm not saying we abandon our faith, but I feel Liverpool should not be naive. It appears no one else plays the "fairness" game.

We are proud of the heritage but sometimes I feel it is playing against us, sending us on a back pedal.

Liverpoolfc need to think outside the box and surprise the hell sharks out there. Will we? sad.gif





Note: there are many here and the LFC fans sentiment is that they do not like "Rafa's Liverpool (boring) playing style". Apparently worse than watching paint dry.

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post May 20 2015, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(sk1l @ May 20 2015, 06:25 PM)
not sure about you but in Rafa's spanish Liverpool to me the player that shone the brightest was actually SG. That's also why he was at 1 time the best midfielder in the world too. SG allowed Alonso the space at the back to do his magic. SG made forward runs mostly coming in from the right and pulls defenders and midfielders to him like a glue, opening up play for others, he also has an eye to find openings and make def splitting passes to whoever in-front to finish the job.
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One super captain we know (not forgetting carrager) but the squads core spine was essentially quite Spanish. From Pepe to Alonso to Torres with several Spanish cast supporting.

We are now trying to return to the old Liverpool. (Rafa spoilt us) cool2.gif tongue.gif





Anyway

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...report it would seem FSG are ready to take a strong approach to making decisions from the setbacks of 2014/15.

Whilst taking into account the sale of Luis Suarez last summer and long-term injury problems to Daniel Sturridge, the owners will want answers as to where last summer’s £117 million spending spree has been justified.



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post May 20 2015, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(sk1l @ May 20 2015, 08:34 PM)
lol true too .. thats the main reason why gerrard cannot reproduce his form for england. he doesn't have the rest of LP with him in the england team. even the spanish supporting cast i.e arbelao made it into RM main team lol
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Englunnnd doesn't utilises gerrard's strength. It's not built around him nor he is the star player. They reduce his role to just a squad player to fit to any position BUT his best. He is reduced to a utility player for engluuund

Typical English manager, errr no?..?? sweat.gif rolleyes.gif sweat.gif

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post May 21 2015, 08:48 AM

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QUOTE(lp16 @ May 21 2015, 02:07 AM)
Rafa was bashed by the English media partly because the media loves SAF. When Rafa rotates his players, he's tinkering. When SAF does it, he's a brilliant man management.

Rafa might not be the most exciting coach but certainly he knows how to play his players. Unlike BR. Wingers play wingbacks. Midfielders play RB. I'm amazed Mig didn't play striker when Daniel is out injured. Spending so much for Lov is a crime. Lallana might still come good. Baffles me that Borini and Balo don't get more game time. Lambert was a mistake, but the biggest mistake was trying to turn Stevie into a DM.

I think Rafa would have played Stevie in his natural role but manage him properly; play in big games and important games like CL. And speaking of CL, it totally exposed BR as an inexperienced novice trying to act smart. Totally exposed!
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But but but, if going some fans reasoning, it was gerrard who complain he want more "playing time". And playing under Rafa (IF) may mean he only gets sub role. (Though A lot of these fans didn't read gerrards confession early in the season and much prior the 'announcement' to LA Galaxy, that he would leave it to the gaffers discretion of his time as he acknnowleges he ain't not young anymore)

I'm sure Rafa will talk sense into gerrard as he did on lampard. Did Rafa put lampard as right Back? Or as DM? He does what's right for the team and player.

Ok enough about Rafa, for now.


The part about Rodgers revolutionary players playing in "different positions", he was ONs on his revolutionary system where players can easily switch/swapped places. It's a matter of training. He has started 4 centerbacks in a game. Yes, really. It was unfortunated that game we lost, else media will say it was genius sweat.gif

Very often like we all know, he plays player from their natural n preferred role because he believes his tactical moves I will benefit Liverpool in the long run.


QUOTE(cherroy @ May 21 2015, 09:41 AM)
Gerrard played as DM or deep midfielder in England as same as BR, in both occasion, Gerrard become ineffective, as Gerrard is not a DM player or destroyer like Lucas.

There is no coincidence, Gerrard had his best career under Rafa because Rafa played him in more forward position, let him to roam forward.

Gerrard is an attacking player not defensive, has good shooting, eye for goal, superb passing ability (not those sideway passes) that can create opportunity to striker.
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enggluund!!

Perhaps it's English manager traits?? wub.gif English media loves English manager sweat.gif they don't learn, maybe copy others.

"See pirlo excelling in such position, I'm sure gerrard would"

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post May 21 2015, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(melt @ May 21 2015, 09:53 AM)
You do know right that Lampard was one of the people who doesnt want Rafa as their manager?

Rafa talking sense to the players? Hell no he is not someone who cares about your personal life. Look at how he treated Alonso. His man management skills were terrible but if you are talking about tactics, he might be one of the best in football.
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He was manager or Liverpool then , not anyone's personal guardian, nor players bff sweat.gif sweat.gif

Well in case for consolation to Lampard dismay, at least Rafa was given the label -temp manager. Or some undignified title, I can't remember.
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post May 21 2015, 09:04 PM

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Liverpool must keep steerling despite all the hooha. He /agent is showing tantrums. That's not wise.

But if Liverpool is serious about qualifying into big league, they should think bigger, a lot bigger.

Granted Rodgers has "potential" but potential is ass when he has not delivered. I know there are quarters that are saying give him a chance, since he ALMOSt won the league last season.

Forgive me, but let's look at the hard truth. We bottled it last season. The truth laid bare this season.

I'm alright to let the bR brigade to claim 'mercy' for him to another shot to prove he has the calibre. I'll see how he can manage Liverpool when and should FSG tell Rodgers to sell, then buy. It would be a test of his true managerial capabilities.

He has been so lucky that FSG gave his a free reign on players. Don't tell me all those 'missed' targets. All excuses. There were no chains from FSG whom Liverpool could target. That's if he targeted the right ones. We all know he has the final say, all the PR bullshite that transfer commitee choose players for him. He is a manager for Liverpool, not some groundsmen tendering greens of anfield stadium

Look at the money spent. >110million pounds in one season.



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post May 21 2015, 11:39 PM

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Buddy, famed manager man management.

That what "Liverpoolfc needs"

To say it's all steerlings and his agents fault, I would agree but not 100%

This is where the manager allowed players to get too close. It's absurd the way the agent and steerlings behavior (if as what's reported on press)

Some actually feels Rodgers did not do wrong, fine if they feel that way. Players should respect their managers but it's something I think someone felt the respect should be earned.

I'm not siding raheem. I think he needs a whack on the head. Though I don't think Rodgers will ever do that.



Cashing in on steerling in such a manner only opens a floodgates for future players looking for an easy way out. Selling him to a club he doesn't fancy but that doesn't guarantee the other club won't cash in. Of course Liverpool might include a signing on fee imposed but let's get real. In the long term, club suffers. It's easy for fans to say "cash in" to hell with greedy player (steerling). I can say, it wasn't about steerlings salary expectation).

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post May 23 2015, 03:52 AM

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QUOTE(carloz28 @ May 22 2015, 06:01 PM)
Not strange at all. Rafa has been courted by RM thrice during his time with us as reported.

Furthermore, I think Rafa coached RM B team before so there's always some special affliation between the two of them.

3rd point...he is Spanish so extra brownie points there.

Whats strange is RM did not consider interviewing Wodgers before they make the move on Rafa.....Hmmmmm

Anyway I'm gutted FSG sidelined him in their hunt for candidates but at the same time I'm happy for Rafa because he will be managing one if the best clubs in the world n show what he can do with real galacticos. RM will be beast.
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post May 23 2015, 10:04 AM

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Nevilles assessment drives home a brutal outtake on Liverpool's Anfield.

Though there are comments I've seen, "he is a manu, hates scousers, he has nothing good to say of Liverpool" etc etc

I have to say some Liverpool fans too are like that. Not willing to move ahead, rooted in deep traditions.

To me traditions are good but they are to serve/to remind of the glorious past, should only serve as a "guideline", it should not be a reason to not to change, forge ahead for the better fortunes.

Liverpoolfc never took the reins to move ahead with times. Houllier came, he saw how backward we were in the academy and all. Rafa came and saw little was done, he changed all that...

But Liverpool was too stubborn to change. The excuse was Liverpool has a proud history and that was that. Others move ahead, we went backwards...

Sure there are those who says Rodgers has a enlightening "philosophy" medicine for Liverpoolfc to forge forward. Rodgers is a British media darling. Englishfans likes him, FSG likes him.

Gerrard to courtino to Suarez likes him (BR). Only steerling and his agent won't buy him presents this Christmas.

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post May 23 2015, 05:17 PM

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no lar, this is a joke sweat.gif sweat.gif rolleyes.gif


How can? how can people speak so highly of that ex liverpool manager whistling.gif


http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial...where-ancelotti



not liverpool news but related since he did manage LFc before.




btw carloz28 you didn't read the reports that Dejan Lovren premier league stats with LFc is on par if not better with terry & the rest of top defenders this season? shame on you tongue.gif




also

http://www.thisisanfield.com/2015/05/repor...d-holding-role/

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Rodgers “believes Lucas is not dynamic enough and prefers Joe Allen in the midfield holding role” and is therefore willing to listen to offers for the Brazilian.

Perhaps even more worryingly, Anderson claims: “The Anfield boss feels he would have enough central midfield options in [James] Milner, Allen, Jordan Henderson and Emre Can if Lucas went.”


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QUOTE(solstice818 @ May 23 2015, 06:19 PM)
cool

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he’s confident he’ll keep his job, Rodgers replied, “Yeah, yeah. 150 per cent.

“I think you evolve as a manager. Certainly the experiences of this year will make me better. We have been clear with the identity of how we want to play since I’ve been here and obviously it hasn’t quite worked out this season as I would have liked.

“But going forward, I repeat, I will be a better manager for the experiences and hopefully go on next year to be more consistent and we can win more games than we have.”


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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ May 25 2015, 12:46 AM)
no worries boys

soton down 0-2

europa here we come

#rodgers150%
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Yes Rodgers is 150% sure that FSG is comfortable him being reinstated.

Let's see if FSG does an about turn.
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post May 25 2015, 12:18 AM

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Sack? Sack BR? The carefully chosen one?

That's john Henry and FSG shooting themselves on the foot.

We will see.

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After 3 years of screaming this guy is not Liverpool manager material, We have now see his final game as Liverpool manager end in a horrible defeat, Just a shame that FSG have just wasted £215 million of our finances and 3 years of our history on this guy.


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post May 25 2015, 01:03 AM

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Thank you Rodgers.

Fielding 7 midfielder, zero strikers. Thank you for the your revolutionary system of tiki takda.

http://images.liverpool.no/images/viewimage.aspx?id=36676

This is a blip? Players showed character? Look like team was out of depth! Salah transfer committee?

😡😡😡

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ May 25 2015, 02:54 AM)
Brendan Rodgers has admitted that he could leave Liverpool if the club’s owners decide to end his tenure.
Fenway Sports Group are set to hold an end of season review with Rodgers to assess a campaign that has seen Liverpool miss out on their aim of Champions League qualification.
And after Liverpool were humiliated 6-1 at Stoke in their final game of the season, Rodgers was asked whether he thought he would remain in charge at Anfield next season.
‘It was embarrassing, and if the owners want me to go, I’ll go,’ he said.
‘But I still feel like I have a lot to offer here.
‘However I take full responsibility for today as manager, we have to go away and fix this.
Rodgers’ quotes mark a substantial departure from his previous insistence that he was ‘150%’ sure he would be Liverpool manager next season, and come after bookmakers
Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2015/05/24/brendan-rodg.../#ixzz3b50ek29X
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The first hint that he was unable to manage good players was when he fumbled with nuri sahin.

I know there are still people clamouring for Rodgers to be retained next season campaign using last seasons 2place as example and excuses that this year was unfortunate to have massive injuries to sturidge. Examples of Rodgers cp also said look at how impressive Swansea under Rodgers. Sigh. Instead of looking up, we are asked to look at mid table.

We missed a big chance to get it right. The were tons of evidences that showed Rodgers was technically inept as a big club manager. But there are tons of pro BR said they rather watch Liverpool play "attacking football". 1-6 is the worse football result in LFC premiership history. Attacking football??

Like today, 7 midfielders passing about tiki takda is not football. LFC Football is winning when there is much at stake. To some it's not about winning but Just turning up for a game? I think LFC is not an Olympic team. Sorry. It's matter of life n death (figuratively speaking)

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post May 25 2015, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(hfi @ May 25 2015, 11:54 AM)
He's gone i reckon. Normally i say give him one more season to turn it around, which is how i felt about Rafa's last season. Except that manner of the defeat is so shocking and humiliating that i feel it is more likely we could start next season from where we left off.

It's Klopp or Rafa for me.
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One wonders if Rafa heart waits for the phone to ring from LFC. He is suppose to meet the real mardrid representatives this week or next.



QUOTE(yeelong @ May 25 2015, 12:31 PM)
Henry calling him now
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Sam? Fans will burn FSG sweat.gif

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QUOTE(yeelong @ May 25 2015, 12:32 PM)
RM sacked their coach already??
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Officially not yet. But Real Madrid is ruthless. Based on past experiences. Many at rm found ancelotti too laid back.

After Jose time which was intense, the approach from ancelotti comes across as far from what is expected.

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