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post Mar 10 2015, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(Career26 @ Mar 10 2015, 09:11 AM)
Thanks onnying88. I am not sure whether purchasing lights from Ikea will be a good idea. But I think it is good way to get started there before deciding where to purchase what. Did you purchase your lights at Ikea ?
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dont worry about purchasing in ikea . 100days return and refund policy apply... i did return my ikea product in 100days whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Career26 @ Mar 10 2015, 09:11 AM)
Thanks onnying88. I am not sure whether purchasing lights from Ikea will be a good idea. But I think it is good way to get started there before deciding where to purchase what. Did you purchase your lights at Ikea ?
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dont worry about purchasing in ikea . 100days return and refund policy apply... i did return my ikea product in 100days whistling.gif
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post Mar 10 2015, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(steventan85 @ Mar 10 2015, 09:41 AM)
dont worry about purchasing in ikea . 100days return and refund policy apply... i did return my ikea product in 100days whistling.gif
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thumbup.gif Cool! That's a very good piece of information.
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post Mar 10 2015, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(Career26 @ Mar 10 2015, 09:43 AM)
thumbup.gif  Cool! That's a very good piece of information.
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http://www.ikea.com/ms/en_MY/customer_serv...licy/index.html
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post Mar 10 2015, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(steventan85 @ Mar 10 2015, 10:17 AM)
Such a hassle-free return policy! Thanks for sharing, Steven smile.gif
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post Mar 10 2015, 11:06 AM

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osram or phillip led surface mounted light. osram you can see/buy from Wong Lighting pudu. Philips you see from Tsen lighting kota damansara.

I use something like this for my house concrete ceiling.
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post Mar 10 2015, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(hax123 @ Mar 10 2015, 11:06 AM)
osram or phillip led surface mounted light. osram you can see/buy from Wong Lighting pudu. Philips you see from Tsen lighting kota damansara.

I use something like this for my house concrete ceiling.
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What is that?
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post Mar 10 2015, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Mar 10 2015, 11:17 AM)
What is that?
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Looks like a square shaped ceiling mounted light to me.
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post Mar 10 2015, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(Career26 @ Mar 10 2015, 11:25 AM)
Looks like a square shaped ceiling mounted light to me.
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if it cost more than RM200, juz forget about it and go to Houses Lighting to buy

those china made same item RM100 only...can change color etc ...
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post Mar 10 2015, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(steventan85 @ Mar 10 2015, 11:28 AM)
if it cost more than RM200, juz forget about it and go to Houses Lighting to buy

those china made same item RM100 only...can change color etc ...
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I probably would prefer something like that in the yard or bathroom area (depending on the brightness) but don't prefer them in the living or kitchen...
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post Mar 10 2015, 01:17 PM

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for kitchen lighting, suggesting simple spot light or surface mount lighting as the oil/dirt may clog there over the time. since ceiling fan is near by, cannot use hang-by-wire light, hang by metal rod should be fine.

another aspect to consider is the brightness of ceiling light, because only limited lighting points available.

one advantage of having spot light alike ceiling light is adjustable direction (with some drop down from ceiling) to minimize the shadow from ceiling fan. surface mount light position is higher than ceiling fan, hence projecting light on ceiling fan and resulting shadow and flickering light.
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post Mar 10 2015, 01:18 PM

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To answer your questions.

1. Is the wattage and the size E27 guidance given refers to choosing the lights for track lighting for kitchen area?

--> Wattage and Size E27 is for the brightness and size of bulbs actually. Because if for pendant lights/ceiling lights, you still need to buy bulbs right? For track lights, I understand you need a driver? I am not sure about this because I don't have any track lights at my place.

2. Many friends in the forum have suggested track lighting for kitchen area. Is there any specific reason for that? Also, is there any other light types with sufficient brightness that can be considered as well? The only reason I ask this is because I am not sure if track lights will complement with the pendant lights I bought for dining area. I am open for suggestions Any photos to support your suggestions will be helpful smile.gif.

---> Actually to me, track lighting is much better suited for cosy ambience/atmosphere areas like living room for example. Track lighting comes in multiple spot lights. I don't recommend this for kitchen partly because of maintenance. Kitchen is the most used part of the house other than the bedroom so it will be practical to have 1 or 2 pendant lights / ceiling lights so that I don't have to buy so many light bulbs for replacement whenever one light goes out.

You can mix and match with pendant lights in different shapes and color compared to ceiling lights. Easer to complement.

To give you a clearer visual. Here are some pictures for you to view and you can see that you need ALOT of track lights to brighten up a area unless you are going for low lighting area.

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QUOTE(Career26 @ Mar 10 2015, 10:08 AM)
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Here's a different picture that shows a mix of pendant and ceiling lights

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post Mar 10 2015, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(steventan85 @ Mar 10 2015, 11:28 AM)
if it cost more than RM200, juz forget about it and go to Houses Lighting to buy

those china made same item RM100 only...can change color etc ...
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Quality may varied. Especially when use for long hours, the LED quality are important.
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post Mar 10 2015, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Mar 10 2015, 01:50 PM)
Quality may varied. Especially when use for long hours, the LED quality are important.
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The cree DL that I m using for almost 3yrs now, didn't show any sign of fade and dim. The lumen reading same as previous yrs.

Now thinking buy a box back from state. But still have no idea how to modify it the clamp lock part. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(ozak @ Mar 10 2015, 02:02 PM)
The cree DL that I m using for almost 3yrs now, didn't show any sign of fade and dim. The lumen reading same as previous yrs.

Now thinking buy a box back from state. But still have no idea how to modify it the clamp lock part.  hmm.gif
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CREE is another good brand, if the cheaper version light specify the LED and the driver use, than is not too bad. My test earlier most of the cheaper china LED, it doesn't have any brand mention.

Take for example my neighbor use LED light for her parking / walkway. And the light get dimmer by days and only after 1 year + usage, it get so dimmed as good as not switch on. Now she just don't bother to switch it on.
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post Mar 10 2015, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Mar 10 2015, 01:18 PM)
To answer your questions.

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Here's a different picture that shows a mix of pendant and ceiling lights

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the kitchen light seems pretty dim... usually what is the recommended power or lumen...?

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post Mar 10 2015, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Mar 10 2015, 02:09 PM)
CREE is another good brand, if the cheaper version light specify the LED and the driver use, than is not too bad. My test earlier most of the cheaper china LED, it doesn't have any brand mention.

Take for example my neighbor use LED light for her parking / walkway. And the light get dimmer by days and only after 1 year + usage, it get so dimmed as good as not switch on. Now she just don't bother to switch it on.
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Yup, now getting confident with this model. Pity didn't sell here. It only available in 120V.

Have another Taiwan led GU10 3w as desk lamp. Running 24hr for almost a yrs now. Still look good. But didn't check the lumen.

For the china LED, not even bother to get 1. Although plenty cheap 1 in Shenzhen during last yrs stay there.
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post Mar 10 2015, 02:29 PM

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12W is good enough for a bulb (Cool white) based on my light testing.

It's all dependent on what level of brightness you're looking at, so it's better you check the brightness of the bulb before buying

QUOTE(Alan @ Mar 10 2015, 03:09 PM)
the kitchen light seems pretty dim... usually what is the recommended power or lumen...?
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post Mar 10 2015, 03:54 PM

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can one fix track lighting without plaster ceiling? how is the cable hidden?
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post Mar 11 2015, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(Career26 @ Mar 10 2015, 09:11 AM)
Thanks onnying88. I am not sure whether purchasing lights from Ikea will be a good idea. But I think it is good way to get started there before deciding where to purchase what. Did you purchase your lights at Ikea ?
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Ikea got a big showroom , maybe it is time to drop by to understand better .

Thank for the information.

Now my problem is plaster ceiling or not..but those wiring need to go through the ceiling..with beam covering
foyer, dining ,living , kitchen ..i wonder how can i cover those wiring...

any good suggestion ?

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