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 Proper Pre and Post Workout Nutrition, Very Important!!

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post Nov 16 2009, 07:52 PM

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Too much carbo, not enuf protein.
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post Nov 17 2009, 02:43 PM

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Your breakfast should consists of 4-5 whole eggs. You can dump milo and milk. You don't need lactose for bodybuilding.

As for pre workout add some protein. Protein + Carbs give better energy than carbs alone.

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post Nov 17 2009, 09:09 PM

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Your hi cholesterol is caused by ingesting too much carbs. Check previous posts about eggs. Protein in any source doesn't contribute to hi cholesterol. Pls google more about the facts.
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post Nov 18 2009, 06:34 AM

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You can dump milo and milk. Both contain loads of carbs. Use the money on whey protein. Protein builds muscles, lactose from the milk don't.
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post Jan 30 2010, 06:55 AM

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QUOTE(HaoHao @ Jan 23 2010, 12:03 PM)
mind to know"' How to use Whey powder"" ?? mix wit how much water ? blended ? shake ? for a beginner
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There is a big difference between whey powder and whey protein powder. Whey powder has 20% protein with lots of lactose and fat while whey protein powder is between 70 and 90% protein.


QUOTE(yihhaur @ Jan 26 2010, 03:09 AM)
Hi , but then wats the diff between protein supplements? like supplements like serious mass or true mass gainer compare with 100% whey supplements ?are whey more healthy ?as i have allergic to chicken due to some sickness ..... Whats the pros and cons of it ? Cause  i m planning to buy serious mass but its really expensive and didn't peoples always say that some supplement makes your hormone go haywire !? least tats what i heard ...... hope i get some useful advices =)
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Serious Mass or Mass Gainer contain loads of carbohydrates. You can't build muscles on carbs. Muscles are made of protein and fat. Whey protein is a better choice. Only soy protein would make your hormone goes haywire. Whey protein is perfectly safe for long term consumption.


QUOTE(uncontrolled @ Jan 29 2010, 10:43 PM)
I am a new in workout. I had read the whole post in this thread and found some question.

1. We need to consume protein just only post workout? or distribute it according to number of meal we take per day?

2. Eat tuna can replace whey protein?! U guys eat whole tuna in the can?! and Eggs..u guys eat cooked eat or raw one?

Thanks =P
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Canned food can never replace whey protein. If you wanna replace whey protein, eat fresh fish or lots of eggs. Whole eggs are more superior than whey protein.

QUOTE(uncontrolled @ Jan 30 2010, 12:12 AM)
Thx dude! haha, just wondering can I dissolve whey protein in vitamin C tablets(soluble in water)?! biggrin.gif
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You can definitely do that if you don't mind how it would taste like. smile.gif
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post Mar 25 2010, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(cheezzzz @ Mar 24 2010, 07:48 PM)
i hear we should take 1g of protein/lbs of bodyweight, does that refer to your current bw or your target bodyweight? 2.2g of protein/kg? if your target is 70kg.. and currently you're 58kg.. will it be too much protein in a single day if you weigh 58kg (127.6g pro) but take (154g pro)?

and how much protein can our body absorb in a single meal/setting?
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It has to be tested in a lab.
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post May 29 2010, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(AW55699 @ May 27 2010, 12:30 PM)
can whey and casien mix together in 1 serving and drink together?
because usually after work out is 11pm, then i will take my whey, and now i plan to take casien as well, can they both mix in 1 serving?
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No problem, you can mix whey with casein.


Added on May 29, 2010, 11:55 am
QUOTE(choyster @ May 27 2010, 05:05 PM)
after reading it i still dont get some part like what to eat for pre workout any examples? i know post workout must take carbs but what about pre workout?
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Just eat a light meal consisting of carbs, protein and fat 2 hours before your workout.

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post May 31 2010, 05:19 PM

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Milk protein consists of whey and casein. They are together by nature.
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post Jun 2 2010, 01:52 PM

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Years ago I used to sell milk protein concentrate which consists of 80% casein and 20% whey. It was slightly cheaper than whey concentrate and much cheaper than casein.

It is a good source of protein for those who are seeking for fast and slow release protein.
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post Jul 5 2010, 09:08 AM

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You eat like a pro. You didn't mention about dietary fats. They are as important as protein.
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post Jul 6 2010, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(echoes @ Jul 6 2010, 12:54 AM)
I went to check some info on dietary fats cause I don't know anything about them  blush.gif. I saw two types of flax seed oil in GNC's web site. GNC Natural Brand FlaxSeed Oil 1000mg and GNC Natural Brandâ„¢ Flax Seed Oil. Any difference if I get the ones in capsules or in liquid form?

Also, is it cheaper to buy natural almonds instead of flax seed oil?
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Flax oil is rich in N3. N3 is required in the synthesis of protein. Almond nuts are good but must be taken in moderation coz it contain phytic acid which will inhibit the absorption of certain minerals and also too much will increase your uric acid levels. Walnut would be a better choice because of higher in N3. A good diet of fats should consist of various types of fats/ oil such as extra virgin olive oil, red palm oil, virgin coconut oil, flax oil and fish oil. Butter is also a good fat. Make sure not to take junk oil such as commercial cooking oil eg sunflower seed oil, corn oil and soy oil. These oils don't contribute to muscles growth.

Flax oil in liquid is cheaper than capsule form.


Added on July 6, 2010, 4:32 pm
QUOTE(darklight79 @ Jul 5 2010, 02:23 PM)
I tried this, replacing rice with vegetables. It worked for a while but then I got flat. 4Rings is correct, if you want to do this, you need at the very least a tablespoon or 2 of virgin coconut oil or flax seed oil, etc.
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I came across many guys who quit dieting because worry about flat look. Let me put this in a correct way. Most of these guys bulk up incorrectly. They ate chunks of carbs and ended up looking fat which they called massive or bulky. When these guys wanted to look lean with 6 packs, they started dieting. They began to shred off their fats and ended up looking flat. They then worried that they have lost so much of their "muscle mass" but those were actually fats they had lost.
They never realized that they don't have much lean muscle mass in them. They looked big and massive because of their hi body fat levels. They need the body fats to help them to look big.

This scenario is different if the person is a seasoned bodybuilder who has hi bodyfat level. He has plenty of real muscle mass. He will still look thick and massive even if you put him on a keto diet. He will not look flat.

Dieting wrongly can also make you look flat especially when you are not eating enough fats while on low carb. Since there is no source of energy, the body will breakdown the protein from your muscles to manufacture energy. By eating tons of protein won't help because our body don't convert dietary protein into energy. You'll begin to lose your muscle mass.

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post Jul 10 2010, 06:44 AM

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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Jul 10 2010, 01:08 AM)
I can only afford one tub of whey as supplements. And my mom doesn't cook beef, religion. Eating 5 eggs now as we speak. WAY TOO HUNGRY!!!

Between wholegrain bread + peanut butter and 5 egg whites + 2 yolks, which is better?
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5 whole eggs fried with butter is the best. DON'T THROW AWAY THE YOLKS!
Eat your yolks if you want to grow. Cholesterol manufactures testosterone.
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post Jul 10 2010, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Jul 10 2010, 08:26 AM)
Eh, the eggs my mom buy are the Nutriplus Omega 3 Low Cholesterol type. So I should buy normal eggs?

I've read articles saying that cholesterol in yolks doesn't have any causal effects on heart diseases but 15+ years of being told it's poison, hard to swallow 5 whole yolks per day. tongue.gif
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Nutriplus is fine.
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post Aug 14 2010, 06:15 AM

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I second.
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post Feb 3 2012, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(helven @ Jul 5 2011, 04:59 PM)
I just bought a whey isolate for post workout shake (Dymatize fusion 7), is it suitable for pre-workout or i should to get a whey concentrate?

pre workout - 1 scope whey isolate + wholefood
post workout - 1 scope whey isolate + wholefood

or

pre workout - wholefood
post workout - 2 scope whey isolate + wholefood

or

pre workout - 1 scope whey concentrate + wholefood
post workout - 1 scope whey isolate + wholefood
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Fusion 7 is not a whey protein isolate. It is blend of whey proteins, casein, milk and egg protein, plus other ingredients. It contains only 50% protein while a true whey protein isolates gives you 90% protein. You don't use protein supplements for pre workout. Use it for recovery (post workout).

Use glucose polymers for pre workout and protein + glucose polymer for post workout.

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post Feb 16 2012, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Feb 13 2012, 02:28 PM)
any substitutes for whey? my wife banned me from taking whey protein,

took a lot till it increase my cholesterol level-maybe took too much mass gainer whey
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You should ban your wife from banning you taking whey. tongue.gif

Mother's milk is best substitute for whey. biggrin.gif
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post Feb 16 2012, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(adrianteo @ Feb 16 2012, 10:16 AM)
HI guys, i'm quite a newbie so this may sound stupid.

Erm, i'm an overweight person, i recently joined gym and started losing my weight due to consistent work out.

But i was pretty slow and slightly come to stagnant at -5kgs. So i signed up a PT sessions for 18 sessions.
I started the first yesterday and it was really hectic. My body was sore but not today maybe because i did work out for the past few months so the effect wasn't that painful.

Anyway, i was told by the trainer that is better i take some protein with less fat to help me recover fast after the session.
Is there something like that? He did offer me and trying to get me buy from him. But is there any recommendation here that i can get before i decide?
Thanks a million!
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You cannot rely on workout alone to help you to lose body fats. Your diet is important. Eat a low carb diet. Google for more info as this has been discussed for more than a zillion times. Supplements play an important role in recovery. Vitamins, minerals, essential fatty acids are as important as protein supplements.
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post Feb 17 2012, 07:06 AM

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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Feb 16 2012, 03:55 PM)
ahaha........... anyhow, she allow this soya bean whey about 33g of protein per 100g content.......... any difference compared to horley, nitrotech etc?
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Most whey proteins contain 70-90% protein whereas your soy whey has only 33%. So why waste your money on soy whey?
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post Feb 18 2012, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Feb 17 2012, 08:04 PM)
aiyoo, boss, not as rich as you mah
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Aiyoo, if you had calculated gram to gram of protein cost, your soy whey is even more expensive.

How much of protein your body can absorb is depending entirely on individual. You have to send your dump to a lab to test the nitrogen balance. biggrin.gif
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post Feb 18 2012, 07:38 PM

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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Feb 18 2012, 10:47 AM)
yaa.... but it is approved by my HM biggrin.gif
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