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post Feb 28 2015, 05:46 PM, updated 11y ago

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Fundsupermart.com (FSM) Malaysia is the online unit trust distribution arm of iFAST Capital Sdn. Bhd. ("iFAST Capital").

iFAST Capital is a holder of a Capital Markets Services Licence (CMSL) and is licensed by the Securities Commission to conduct the following regulated activities:

- To deal in unit trusts
- To offer investment advisory services
- To deal in Private Retirement Scheme

iFAST Capital is also registered with the Federation of Investment Managers Malaysia (FiMM) as an Institutional Unit Trust Adviser (IUTA).

iFAST Capital is a subsidiary of iFAST Malaysia Sdn. Bhd., which is wholly owned by iFAST Corporation Ltd. ("iFAST Corporation"). iFAST Corporation is headquartered in Singapore and the iFAST group of companies are also present in Hong Kong, Malaysia and China. The company was incorporated in Singapore on 10 January 2000.

iFAST Corporation was listed on the Singapore Exchange Mainboard in December 2014.

iFAST Corporation, via its wholly owned subsidiary iFAST Financial Pte. Ltd., is Singapore's leading online distributor of unit trusts as well as the leading operator of an investment platform for financial advisers and financial institutions. It carries the Capital Markets Services (CMS) and Financial Adviser (FA) licences issued by the Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS), and is also one of three appointed Central Provident Board (CPF) Investment Administrators.

One of iFAST Corporation's shareholders is SPH AsiaOne Ltd, the Internet arm of Singapore Press Holdings, which is Singapore's largest media group. In recent years, iFAST Corporation has been expanding beyond local shores. In 2007, iFAST Corporation launched its first overseas business, Fundsupermart in Hong Kong and in 2008, it launched Fundsupermart in Malaysia. iFAST Corporation launched its office in China in 2014.



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1. Wide range of information
2. Extensive product range and value-added services
3. One of the cheapest Sales Charges in town! thumbup.gif


To keep discussions at this thread fruitful and constructive, it would be greatly appreciated that fellow investors try to look for answer to their queries at Frequently Asked Questions before posting here. icon_rolleyes.gif

What is unit trust?
Federation of Investment Managers Malaysia - ABC of Unit Trusts

Other FAQs on Fundsupermart.com and unit trust investing in general

1. NAV pricing and processing time
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2. The NAV price of the fund that I'm interested in is quite high now, should I stay away? Investment gurus always say "buy low, sell high"...
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FSM Idea Of The Week: Unit Split and High Fund Price Misconceptions [24 October 2014]
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Investors should not judge if a unit trust is cheap or expensive based on its unit trust price or NAV. Instead, they should focus on the valuations (PE ratios) of the underlying equity markets that the unit trust invests in.


3. Common misconceptions about unit trust dividends/distributions:

(i) After dividend distribution, NAV price will go down, the fund will become cheaper.
(ii) A fund that declares dividends is better than a fund that does not, dividends are my profit, they make me richer.

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(iii) Topping up my holdings after dividend distribution pulls down my cost per unit, lower cost = higher profit.
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(iv) Distribution = Income
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Ok so after dividend distribution, you get some additional units and NAV drops. Then after few weeks if fund perform well then NAV increases to the point where it is back to the NAV before distribution. Doesnt it mean you gain some income from distribution?
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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Mar 25 2013, 11:19 PM)
Then what's the point of dividend distribution since units and NAV price has negative correlation?
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4. Annual Management Charge, Trustee Fee and NAV pricing
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5. Return On Investment (ROI) vs Annualised Return, similar to Internal Rate of Return (IRR)
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Make sure you read the instructions as many of the cells have formula in it. You can freely modify, update, or change it to suit your needs (and even share with others if you don't mind tongue.gif )


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(something to remind myself in V8)
Rise and Fall of the KLCI Index (1984 - 2014).
RM100k invested in 1984 till now 2014 is now worth RM500k....what is the IRR/XIRR? = 5.51% IRR
page 24 post 464
more units Better?
Page 53 post 1060
what to buy any recommendation?
Page 67 post 1328, page 68 post 1355
I am a High/moderate/low risk person, what to buy?
Page 69 post 1371
portfolio construction
Page 108 post 2145
Distribution or Dividend (the correct term)
Page 124 post 2466 and reason for that page 125 post 2494

Currently im able to save around rm XXX per month from my salary. I know just saving in bank is no use. So my question is what is the options for me to invest?
read post #6 and post #8
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3493626/+0#entry73266937

AMP Capital: 21 Great Investment Quotes
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=5564

The price of KGF fund just dropped alot....should I enter now?
what caused it's dropped?
did it dropped because of income distribution or because the market(s) in which the fund invested in had corrected/crashed thus causing underlying stocks invested by the fund undervalued?
Based on "PAST" performance of KGF......I think anytime is ALSO a GOOD time to invest........buy when market dips (not NAV dipped due to income distribution) is always better.

".....investors should never solely judge if a fund is cheap or expensive based on its fund price. Instead, investors may find it more helpful if they are aware of the valuation (or estimated price-earning ratios) of the underlying equity market which the fund invests in. It is also useful to observe how a fund has performed over a period of time rather than just for short bouts of time. "
http://www.fundsupermart.com.hk/hk/main/re...?articleNo=2690

Lipper’s Head of Research Shares Fund Selection Tips
http://www.fundsupermart.com.hk/hk/main/re...No=4017&lang=en


How do I know which Unit Trust to buy?

Before you jump in, there are several things which you need to find out about yourself. Your risk tolerance, investment goals, time horizon and so on. Go to FSM Getting Started section to find out more. After doing that, you should find the fund whose investment objectives match your own. Make use of FSM Fund Selector and read our fact sheets to compare and contrast the unit trusts available. You may also read FSM Funds' recommendations. Soon you will find one which you are comfortable with. Start with that first. As you gain more confidence and understanding of unit trusts, you may then invests more.

What is risk in investing?
The bottom line is that risk can mean different things – volatility, the risk of capital loss, the risk of not having enough income from your investment and the risk of not having enough in retirement. Each of these risks can be of greater or lesser importance depending on your stage in life, how much capital you have and your tolerance for risk. What’s more risk is perverse. The risk of capital loss is often highest when you think it is low (ie after good times) and lowest when you think it is high (ie after a bad patch).
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=5688

FUND FACT SHEET USER’S GUIDE
This guide will help provide a glossary of terms and benchmark definitions commonly found on fund fact sheets
https://www.nctreasurer.com/ret/401k%20Plan...etUserGuide.pdf

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Feb 28 2015, 07:20 PM)
yklooi reporting in, boss

(something to remind myself in V8)
Rise and Fall of the KLCI Index (1984 - 2014). 
RM100k invested in 1984 till now 2014 is now worth RM500k....what is the IRR/XIRR? = 5.51% IRR
page 24 post 464
more units Better?
Page 53 post 1060
what to buy any recommendation
Page 67 post 1328, page 68 post 1355
I am a High/moderate/low risk person, what to buy?
Page 69 post 1371
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Feb 28 2015, 06:20 PM)
yklooi reporting in, boss

(something to remind myself in V8)
Rise and Fall of the KLCI Index (1984 - 2014). 
RM100k invested in 1984 till now 2014 is now worth RM500k....what is the IRR/XIRR? = 5.51% IRR
page 24 post 464
more units Better?
Page 53 post 1060
what to buy any recommendation
Page 67 post 1328, page 68 post 1355
I am a High/moderate/low risk person, what to buy?
Page 69 post 1371
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unker looi has just pasted a post-it-notes in the tered laugh.gif
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wanna ask.. what's the reason for bolehland stocks n UT going up? is it just a recovery cycle or is there a catalyst behind it?
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QUOTE(joylay83 @ Mar 1 2015, 01:58 AM)
wanna ask.. what's the reason for bolehland stocks n UT going up? is it just a recovery cycle or is there a catalyst behind it?
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hmm.gif from my own perspective ONLY....
hmm.gif what's the reason for bolehland stocks n UT going up?
without the resources to have latest financial economic reports, like FDI, Foreign institutional fund flows etc, etc...
(even if those data are provided, I does not know how to interpret them....even if I know how to interpret them, I really cannot tell why the market go against it at times...guess mkt is just too unreliable or too unpredictable)
can only GUESS....
1) Oil prices stabilized and had nudge abit up
2) announced Malaysia development projects are on going...
3) Monthly TH, EPF, KWAP, financial institutions monies collected had to go somewhere (30 out of 900+, can change the index and the perception of many......)

Else use the (as at Mid to End January 2015) data & monthly reports provide by the FHs....
https://www.kenangainvestors.com.my/KIB/KIB...SummaryNote.pdf
http://www.eastspringinvestments.com.my/do...sight.final.pdf
http://www.affinhwangam.com/fund-managers-views/fundamentals

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 1 2015, 07:49 AM)
hmm.gif from my own perspective ONLY....
hmm.gif  what's the reason for bolehland stocks n UT going up?
without the resources to have latest financial economic reports, like FDI, Foreign institutional fund flows etc, etc...
can only GUESS....
1) Oil prices stabilized and had nudge abit up
2) announced Malaysia development projects are on going...
3) Monthly TH, EPF, KWAP, financial institutions monies collected had to go somewhere (30 out of 900+, can change the index and the perception of many......)

Else use the (as at Mid to End January 2015) data & monthly reports provide by the FHs....
https://www.kenangainvestors.com.my/KIB/KIB...SummaryNote.pdf
http://www.eastspringinvestments.com.my/do...sight.final.pdf
http://www.affinhwangam.com/fund-managers-views/fundamentals
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QUOTE(JAIDK23 @ Mar 1 2015, 08:11 AM)
morning unker looi  thumbup.gif
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GOOD Morning to you too and wishing you a safe and enjoying day to you and your family. thumbup.gif

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China cuts rates again
•28 Feb 2015 at 18:09

BEIJING — China on Saturday cut interest rates for the second time in three months, adding to signs that Chinese leaders are worried that the economic slowdown is deepening too sharply.

The People's Bank of China announced a rate reduction on one-year loans by commercial banks by 25 basis points to 5.35%. The interest rate paid on a one-year deposit was lowered by 25 basis points to 2.50%.

Rates were last cut on Nov 22. The new rates will take effect on Sunday.
http://www2.bangkokpost.com/business/finan...uts-rates-again
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Morning thought..

What will happen to bolehland UT n stocks after GST in term of performance? hmm.gif

hmm.gif Does it affect fund's performance?

yklooi what do u say? since you're up early this morning. hehe brows.gif

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QUOTE(JAIDK23 @ Mar 1 2015, 08:36 AM)
Morning thought..

What will happen to bolehland UT n stocks after GST in term of performance?  hmm.gif 

hmm.gif Does it affect fund's performance?
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Ask the one with the crystal ball. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 1 2015, 08:37 AM)
Ask the one with the crystal ball. whistling.gif
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u dont have one meh Davi83? icon_idea.gif ... seriously, wht do u think?

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QUOTE(JAIDK23 @ Mar 1 2015, 08:36 AM)
Morning thought..

What will happen to bolehland UT n stocks after GST in term of performance?  hmm.gif 

hmm.gif Does it affect fund's performance?

yklooi what do u say? since you're up early this morning. hehe  brows.gif
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try this
http://juristech.net/juristech/impact-mala...ring-singapore/

my say is...read from the web....many countries had experienced slight domestic downward consumption pressure for the first few months.....then back to normal....
but since we are in UT (more diversified in sectors) and not so much of local targeted stock picking....I guess the local FMs with all their "xpertise" "SHOULD" know where to move "MY" monies...
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 1 2015, 08:44 AM)
try this
http://juristech.net/juristech/impact-mala...ring-singapore/

my say is...read from the web....many countries had experienced slight domestic downward consumption pressure for the first few months.....then back to normal....
but since we are in UT (more diversified in sectors) and not so much of local targeted stock picking....I guess the local FMs with all their "xpertise" "SHOULD" know where to move "MY" monies...
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i read that once..

but this "since we are in UT (more diversified in sectors) and not so much of local targeted stock picking....I guess the local FMs with all their "xpertise" "SHOULD" know where to move "MY" monies..." should answer my question. thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(JAIDK23 @ Mar 1 2015, 09:05 AM)
i read that once..

but this "since we are in UT (more diversified in sectors) and not so much of local targeted stock picking....I guess the local FMs with all their "xpertise" "SHOULD" know where to move "MY" monies..." should answer my question.  thumbup.gif

thank you
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just a note of caution...NOT all local FM are the SAME....
goto FSM website....funds info/fund selector/select Equity under Main Categories/under Geographical Sector...select Malaysia....

look at the annualized returns of over 5 and 10yrs.....you will see what I mean.
(yes, past performance may not be an indicative of possible future performance)
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 1 2015, 09:13 AM)
just a note of caution...NOT all local FM are the SAME....
goto FSM website....funds info/fund selector/select Equity under Main Categories/under Geographical Sector...select Malaysia....

look at the annualized returns of over 5 and 10yrs.....you will see what I mean.
(yes, past performance may not be an indicative of possible future performance)
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Unless you are super unlucky you will probably end up beating the FD rates.
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QUOTE(wodenus @ Mar 1 2015, 01:35 PM)
Unless you are super unlucky you will probably end up beating the FD rates.
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rclxms.gif yes,..that is correct....
I know that there is tis1 guy that had been so "Super Super unlucky"
ROI from May 2013 to Dec 2013 is -0.1%
ROI from Jan 2014 to Dec 2014 is + 2.3%
Definitely MUCH less than FD rate
super unlucky you will probably end up beating the FD rates
super super unlucky you will probably end up beating LESS than the FD rates
laugh.gif that guy is me.... icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 1 2015, 01:44 PM)
rclxms.gif yes,..that is correct....
I know that there is tis1 guy that had been so "Super Super unlucky"
ROI from May 2013 to Dec 2013 is -0.1%
ROI from Jan 2014 to Dec 2014 is + 2.3%
Definitely MUCH less than FD rate
super unlucky you will probably end up beating the FD rates
super super unlucky you will probably end up beating LESS than the FD rates
laugh.gif  that guy is me.... icon_rolleyes.gif
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That is not even one year.. let's see after the next ten years smile.gif this year we might have a flat or declining world market, but over the next 10 years, should be beating FD rates. If you wait long enough you pretty much always will.

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Mar 1 2015, 01:46 PM)
That is not even one year.. let's see after the next ten years smile.gif this year we might have a flat or declining world market, but over the next 10 years, should be beating FD rates. If you wait long enough you pretty much always will.
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rclxms.gif thanks for the optimistic encouragement...
had been 1 1/2 yrs laio
can't wait for next 10 yrs liao...

in the meantime...I liked the first 20 seconds of this video....
my luck is changing....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU0kJYDd464
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 1 2015, 01:54 PM)
rclxms.gif thanks for the optimistic encouragement...
had been 1 1/2 yrs laio
can't wait for next 10 yrs liao...

in the meantime...I liked the first 20 seconds of this video....
my luck is changing....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU0kJYDd464
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If you invest have to do long term DCA.. ten years is not a long time, it gets shorter as you grow older, only seems a long time when you are young. But when you are 20.. it seems a long time. And then suddenly you are celebrating your 30th birthday.. and then 40 and then 50.. and then retired already. Life is short smile.gif

Oh wait.. gambling? you think you are not gambling if you put your money in the bank? you are so sure the country will not collapse? you are so sure the world will not collapse? you're sure there won't be a WW3 and everyone will go back to living in caves?

If you can't be sure of that, you are also gambling...right?

Truth is.. we are all gambling, might as well increase the stakes so we get a better payoff when we retire smile.gif


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QUOTE(wodenus @ Mar 1 2015, 01:57 PM)
If you invest have to do long term DCA.. ten years is not a long time, it gets shorter as you grow older, only seems a long time when you are young. But when you are 20.. it seems a long time. And then suddenly you are celebrating your 30th birthday.. and then 40 and then 50.. and then retired already. Life is short smile.gif

Oh wait.. gambling? you think you are not gambling if you put your money in the bank? you are so sure the country will not collapse? you are so sure the world will not collapse? you're sure there won't be a WW3 and everyone will go back to living in caves?

If you can't be sure of that, you are also gambling...right?
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hmm.gif another 10 yrs will have to leave them to the beneficiaries...

notworthy.gif good point.
jus googled and found this
What is the Difference Between Gambling and Investing?
http://www.investorguide.com/article/12525...-and-investing/
Investing Vs. Gambling: Where Is Your Money Safer?
http://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge...oney-safer.aspx
Are You Investing Or Gambling?
http://www.investopedia.com/articles/basic...or-gambling.asp
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 1 2015, 03:07 PM)
hmm.gif  another 10 yrs will have to leave them to the beneficiaries...

notworthy.gif good point.
jus googled and found this
What is the Difference Between Gambling and Investing?
http://www.investorguide.com/article/12525...-and-investing/
Investing Vs. Gambling: Where Is Your Money Safer?
http://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge...oney-safer.aspx
Are You Investing Or Gambling?
http://www.investopedia.com/articles/basic...or-gambling.asp
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So pessimistic meh.. You still young la.


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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 1 2015, 02:29 PM)
So pessimistic meh..  You still young la.
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 1 2015, 02:29 PM)
So pessimistic meh..  You still young la.
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eh..wait.. what??? shakehead.gif unker looi still young? 23? 24? drool.gif
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QUOTE(JAIDK23 @ Mar 1 2015, 02:43 PM)
eh..wait.. what??? shakehead.gif  unker looi still young? 23? 24?  drool.gif
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lust.gif what ever YOU want me to be.... rclxs0.gif mega_shok.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 1 2015, 02:07 PM)
hmm.gif  another 10 yrs will have to leave them to the beneficiaries...


LOL are you that old.. besides you are going to do that anyway right?


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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 1 2015, 02:29 PM)
So pessimistic meh..  You still young la.
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I was pessimistic when I was young.. big mistake smile.gif

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QUOTE(JAIDK23 @ Mar 1 2015, 03:43 PM)
eh..wait.. what??? shakehead.gif  unker looi still young? 23? 24?  drool.gif
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People leave the world at 60 also consider young. Well.. Each person will need to go one day. It is fate and destiny.

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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 1 2015, 08:37 AM)
Ask the one with the crystal ball. whistling.gif
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Crystal ball answer Crystal ball 1 or Crystal ball 2

None crystal ball answer:
Local equities will have more downside risk compared to upside. GST will be a short-term drag on bottom line of most businesses and the volatile oil price will be increase the down-side risk.

My answer:

As of Jan-2015 data that I have, the risk-adjusted return of M'sia centric UT has under-perform regional index.

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Hi.. New here.

Previously my investments was all in PM. But, because of the high SC, decided to sell all my funds in PM with a small profit and will be making a move to FSM.

Now awaiting for the money to be credited to my PB account and activation of my FSM account too.
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QUOTE(august77 @ Mar 2 2015, 08:30 AM)
Hi.. New here.

Previously my investments was all in PM. But, because of the high SC, decided to sell all my funds in PM with a small profit and will be making a move to FSM.

Now awaiting for the money to be credited to my PB account and activation of my FSM account  too.
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Welcome. Remember your 1% sales charge for the next 30 days from the day you activate your FSM. although there's always promo on and off as well.

PS: i forgot if it's 30 days from the day i sent in the form, or the day it was activated. oh well, they are really fast btw.

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QUOTE(august77 @ Mar 2 2015, 08:30 AM)
Hi.. New here.

Previously my investments was all in PM. But, because of the high SC, decided to sell all my funds in PM with a small profit and will be making a move to FSM.

Now awaiting for the money to be credited to my PB account and activation of my FSM account  too.
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Many of us here, certainly me, started my investing journey in UT through PM. That is the grand daddy of UT. But with the coming of FSM, and more of us are getting better educated abt UT, it will seem the days of paying high SC for buying UT is coming to an end....

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This will be my second FSM account after my FSM Sg account... biggrin.gif

Been enjoying the low SC and no SC for RSP ever since I started with FSM Singapore.
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Welcome. Remember your 1% sales charge for the next 30 days from the day you activate your FSM. although there's always promo on and off as well.

PS: i forgot if it's 30 days from the day i sent in the form, or the day it was activated. oh well, they are really fast btw.
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On the day the account is activated nod.gif
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Huge negative for KGF funds. When and how will it look after the dividend is calculated?
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Huge negative for KGF funds. When and how will it look after the dividend is calculated?
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How will it look? No difference? Just pray Malaysia market go up? tongue.gif

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Morning peeps.. cool2.gif

looking forward to topup KGF today.  moneyflies.gif  moneyflies.gif
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May i know where to view KGF's price today?
The price in FSM is still at 27 Feb
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May i know where to view KGF's price today?
The price in FSM is still at 27 Feb
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May i know where to view KGF's price today?
The price in FSM is still at 27 Feb
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http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/KUTNETF:MK

switch to 1M.. latest price is for 27th. tomorrow we'll see 2nd March's price.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 2 2015, 08:11 PM)
thanks. much accurate rclxms.gif
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Thinking to top up KGF. My current KGF is using epf.. so maybe top up some cash in
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Any reason for KGF drop? I am now thinking to topup hmm.gif laugh.gif
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Any reason for KGF drop? I am now thinking to topup  hmm.gif  laugh.gif
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Any reason for KGF drop? I am now thinking to topup  hmm.gif  laugh.gif
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Thank you all !
Thinking to top up KGF. My current KGF is using epf.. so maybe top up some cash in
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Maybe want to consider eastspring MY focus fund.  If you want Malaysia fund.
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Distribution declared! doh.gif
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 2 2015, 09:23 PM)
Distribution bro..
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Both of them shouldn't be differ much. Any insight?
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Since he wants to invest cash and EPF on Kgf. Might as well diversity fund house.

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Since he wants to invest cash and EPF on Kgf. Might as well diversity fund house.
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EPF already in KGF...Cash to use for investment out of M'sia BETTER?
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EPF already in KGF...Cash to use for investment out of M'sia BETTER?
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Yeap better. But he said wants to invest cash in Kgf again ma.

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Yeap better.  But he said wants to invest cash in Kgf again ma.
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Any other funds are in your portfolio?
IF your risk appetite allows, IT is perfectly Alright to be focusing on M'sia fund only.
But i think if possible diversify-lah abit.
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moon0610 How many % of KGF is now in your portfolio?
Any other funds are in your portfolio?
IF your risk appetite allows, IT is perfectly Alright to be focusing on M'sia fund only.
But i think if possible diversify-lah abit.
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Kenanga Growth Fund (epf) - 20% [MY]
CIMB Al-azam - 10% [MY]
CIMB Dali Equity Growth - 10% [MY]
ASN3 Imbang - 10% [MY]
CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income - 17% [Asia]
TA South East Asia - 26% [Asia]
Arberdeen World Equity - 3% [Global]
CIMB Global Titan - 3% [Global]

Less % on global as i just went into this area recently.
Heart itchy to top up KGF cuz i like that fund hehe.
But yea, should look into my portfolio in a rationally instead.
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Just received my money from PM.. Requested repurchase on 27th Feb and the money already in my PB account today morning.. rclxm9.gif

FSM also called me yesterday for account verification and told me, my account will be activated within 2 days.

First buy, as soon as my account gets activated will be KGF biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(august77 @ Mar 3 2015, 09:19 AM)
Just received my money from PM.. Requested repurchase on 27th Feb and the money already in my PB account today morning..  rclxm9.gif

FSM also called me yesterday for account verification and told me, my account will be activated within 2 days.

First buy, as soon as my account gets activated will be KGF (good timing too, since KGF drop due to distribution)  biggrin.gif
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oh... dont mentioned anything about "distributions" in Mutual Funds treads bro.. will kena tembak
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Kena tembak over the word "distribution'? Why? Still new here.. smile.gif

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Kena tembak over the word "distribution'? Why? Still new here..  smile.gif
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read post #1

long story short, you should be INDIFFERENT whether KGF has distributions OR NOT...
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Just to give some perspective, let's take Berkshire Hathaway for example. BH has never given distribution nor share split. Today its unit cost around USD 150.00 per share. very high right? Will put off many investors right? See the price only... turn-off liao.

Another example, albeit a local one, is Manulife Investment Linked Managed Fund. Its NAV is RM 4.00++ per unit vis-a-vis of most UT at less than 50cts per unit. Again, it is a turn-off for most investors.

So distribution is one way to bring the unit price down to "enticed" new investors.

Xuzen.

p/s Just my opinion, wrong or right? Is just my opinion.
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read post #1

long story short, you should be INDIFFERENT whether KGF has distributions OR NOT...
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 3 2015, 09:17 AM)
Just to give some perspective, let's take Berkshire Hathaway for example. BH has never given distribution nor share split. Today its unit cost around USD 150.00 per share. very high right? Will put off many investors right? See the price only... turn-off liao.

Another example, albeit a local one, is Manulife Investment Linked Managed Fund. Its NAV is RM 4.00++ per unit vis-a-vis of most UT at less than 50cts per unit. Again, it is a turn-off for most investors.

So distribution is one way to bring the unit price down to "enticed" new investors.

Xuzen.

p/s Just my opinion, wrong or right? Is just my opinion.
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Thanks for the explanation..
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What to do with the current market. US hitting new high. Maybe can consider topping up before the next interest rate hike in US, because it will only get higher after that.

HK/China market how ah? Didn't monitor.
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My current holdings:

Kenanga Growth Fund - 60% (Malaysia focus)
Eastsprings Small Cap - 15% (Malaysia focus)
Manulife India Equity Fund - 15% (India focus)
Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund - 10% (Global)

If I bring ASB into the picture, my holdings are roughly as follows:

ASB - 79%
KGF - 13%
ES - 3%
IEF - 3%
Aberdeen - 2%

Am I too focused in Malaysia? A bit of a worry I think.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Mar 3 2015, 10:29 AM)
My current holdings:

Kenanga Growth Fund - 60% (Malaysia focus)
Eastsprings Small Cap - 15% (Malaysia focus)
Manulife India Equity Fund - 15% (India focus)
Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund - 10% (Global)

If I bring ASB into the picture, my holdings are roughly as follows:

ASB - 79%
KGF - 13%
ES - 3%
IEF - 3%
Aberdeen - 2%

Am I too focused in Malaysia? A bit of a worry I think.
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hmm.gif personally i think you will be alright.
i agar agar think only....ASB+KGF+EISC is about 95% of your portfolio....
what are the chances of ALL of them (especially ASB) falls >15% and stayed there for > 12 months?
(you know how much this 15% losses be? OK for you?)
how long has this ASB fund been launched? based on Historically results not possible?..
if you think that there is a possibility,..then do plan for some contingency where you don't touch this monies..

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Mar 3 2015, 10:29 AM)
My current holdings:

Kenanga Growth Fund - 60% (Malaysia focus)
Eastsprings Small Cap - 15% (Malaysia focus)
Manulife India Equity Fund - 15% (India focus)
Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund - 10% (Global)

If I bring ASB into the picture, my holdings are roughly as follows:

ASB - 79%
KGF - 13%
ES - 3%
IEF - 3%
Aberdeen - 2%

Am I too focused in Malaysia? A bit of a worry I think.
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heavy at ASB. i think your risk appetite not too high. below moderate i would say rclxms.gif

mine ..

ASB 20%
Msia 30%
Asia Ex Jap 30%
World 20%

suits me as a 88's babies wink.gif
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Mar 3 2015, 10:03 AM)
What to do with the current market. US hitting new high. Maybe can consider topping up before the next interest rate hike in US, because it will only get higher after that.

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hmm.gif MOST of the time i see this on the news....
US markets surge on signs Federal Reserve will keep rates on hold.
Equities received a lift from central bank comments which investors thought indicated the Fed would keep its interest rates low for longer.
US markets received a boost from the Federal Reserve on Wednesday, buoyed by signs that the central bank would not move to raise rates any time soon.


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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Mar 3 2015, 10:29 AM)
My current holdings:

Kenanga Growth Fund - 60% (Malaysia focus)
Eastsprings Small Cap - 15% (Malaysia focus)
Manulife India Equity Fund - 15% (India focus)
Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund - 10% (Global)

If I bring ASB into the picture, my holdings are roughly as follows:

ASB - 79%
KGF - 13%
ES - 3%
IEF - 3%
Aberdeen - 2%

Am I too focused in Malaysia? A bit of a worry I think.
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I have not seen ASB's asset manifesto but my intuition is that it is mostly held in Bolehland large cap or index linked GLC companies and perhaps some allocated into MGS and GLC corporate bond.

If that is true, then holding high % in ASB and KGF will not provide much diversification.

My take is divest KGF into Ponzi 2.0 while the rest remain status quo.

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 3 2015, 12:01 PM)
hmm.gif personally i think you will be alright.
i agar agar think only....ASB+KGF+EISC is about 95% of your portfolio....
what are the chances of ALL of them (especially ASB) falls >15% and stayed there for > 12 months?
(you know how much this 15% losses be? OK for you?)
how long has this ASB fund been launched? based on Historically results not possible?..
if you think that there is a possibility,..then do plan for some contingency where you don't touch this monies..
Well, whatever ive invested in any of these funds I don't need to touch even if it does go down and stays down for a year or so. Anyway, of the lot I see ASB as the most resilient since its a fixed price fund. If ASB returns start to drop badly, then Malaysia is already doomed. I don't see that happening in the near future or at least for this year.

ASB 1990 - 2014:
http://1-million-dollar-blog.com/dividends...ham-bumiputera/


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QUOTE(JAIDK23 @ Mar 3 2015, 12:07 PM)
heavy at ASB. i think your risk appetite not too high. below moderate i would say  rclxms.gif

mine ..

ASB 20%
Msia 30%
Asia Ex Jap 30%
World 20%

suits me as a 88's babies  wink.gif
Yes ure right. I only came to know and started investing in FSM starting July last year. Till then it was just property and ASB. Even then I played safe and only went into KGF and Eastsprings SC. Its only this year im starting to get a bit more courageous by investing into Manulife and Aberdeen. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 3 2015, 01:05 PM)
I have not seen ASB's asset manifesto but my intuition is that it is mostly held in Bolehland large cap or index linked GLC companies  and perhaps some allocated into MGS and GLC corporate bond.

If that is true, then holding high % in ASB and KGF will not provide much diversification.

My take is divest KGF into Ponzi 2.0 while the rest remain status quo.
Divest KGF but not Eastsprings SC?
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Divest KGF but not Eastsprings SC?
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hmm.gif i think it is because EI is only 3% where else KGF is 13%
3% would not make much impact on the performance of overall the portfolio..i quess.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Mar 3 2015, 01:47 PM)
Well, whatever ive invested in any of these funds I don't need to touch even if it does go down and stays down for a year or so. Anyway, of the lot I see ASB as the most resilient since its a fixed price fund. If ASB returns start to drop badly, then Malaysia is already doomed. I don't see that happening in the near future or at least for this year.

ASB 1990 - 2014:
http://1-million-dollar-blog.com/dividends...ham-bumiputera/
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Mar 3 2015, 01:49 PM)
Yes ure right. I only came to know and started investing in FSM starting July last year. Till then it was just property and ASB. Even then I played safe and only went into KGF and Eastsprings SC. Its only this year im starting to get a bit more courageous by investing into Manulife and Aberdeen.  biggrin.gif
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and u should be grateful that u didnt encounter 5-6% sales charge when direct invest with fund houses before started with FSM rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(JAIDK23 @ Mar 3 2015, 03:07 PM)
and u should be grateful that u didnt encounter 5-6% sales charge when direct invest with fund houses before started with FSM  rclxms.gif
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I encountered the 5-6% SC when I was in PM... Lucky, my funds managed to hit +ve, so I quickly sell my funds even tho the profit was only a mere RM22.
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Ponzi 2.0 NAV above 0.3000:

0.3002 (as of March 2nd, 2015)
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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 3 2015, 03:33 PM)
Ponzi 2.0 NAV above 0.3000:

0.3002 (as of March 2nd, 2015)
That's CIMB Dynamic Income Fund rite?
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That's CIMB Dynamic Income Fund rite?
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I encountered the 5-6% SC when I was in PM... Lucky, my funds managed to hit +ve, so I quickly sell my funds even tho the profit was only a mere RM22.
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hmm.gif SC is already PAID....why in a hurry to sell??  rclxub.gif  doh.gif
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I have pacific global stars fund and pacific income fund (recommended by my agent) for 2 years. They aren't making money obviously. Noticed that they aren't popular after discovering FSM last month. Should I let go? What's your take on this?
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What are your thoughts regarding the following funds:

1) CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund
2) CIMB Global Titans Fund
3) RHB – OSK Global Equity Yield Fund

Any other global funds worth considering?
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What are your thoughts regarding the following funds:

1) CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund
2) CIMB Global Titans Fund
3) RHB – OSK Global Equity Yield Fund

Any other global funds worth considering?
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The first fund won't be a mistake.

The second fund will concentrate on developed markets

The third fund will have more diversified allocations throughout the whole globe. You may consider alternative like Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 3 2015, 04:56 PM)
The first fund won't be a mistake.

The second fund will concentrate on developed markets

The third fund will have more diversified allocations throughout the whole globe. You may consider alternative like Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund.
Ive already invested in Aberdeen Islamic World Equity. Do I increase my investment here or one of the 3 mentioned above?
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I have pacific global stars fund and pacific income fund (recommended by my agent) for 2 years. They aren't making money obviously. Noticed that they aren't popular after discovering FSM last month. Should I let go? What's your take on this?
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Pacific Global Stars are underperforming its peers. From my observation, this fund tends to do well in a down market, but lags in a bull run like the one we're in right now.

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RHB-OSK GEYF performance kinda dropped after RHB took over. I'd pick combo of CIMB Global Titans and Aberdeen Islamic World instead.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 3 2015, 05:09 PM)
RHB-OSK GEYF performance kinda dropped after RHB took over. I'd pick combo of CIMB Global Titans and Aberdeen Islamic World instead.
Are you invested in both these funds?
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Are you invested in both these funds?
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Is it true that since CIMB Global Titans makes investments in foreign currencies (USD) that makes a better buffer against the volatile Ringgit currently?
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Anyone holding AMB Income Trust Fund and noticed the sudden drop today sweat.gif laugh.gif

AH nevermind, now I understand. This is distribution in the work laugh.gif laugh.gif

Practical experience is really better at teaching than theories tongue.gif

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Anyone holding AMB Income Trust Fund and noticed the sudden drop today sweat.gif laugh.gif

AH nevermind, now I understand. This is distribution in the work laugh.gif laugh.gif

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Looks like I will need to update my spreadsheet to accommodate GST component imposed on the fees soon whistling.gif whistling.gif

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Looks like I will need to update my spreadsheet to accommodate GST component imposed on the fees soon whistling.gif whistling.gif

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only SC is subjected to GST right?
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Is it true that since CIMB Global Titans makes investments in foreign currencies (USD) that makes a better buffer against the volatile Ringgit currently?
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saw this in the GTF factsheet
"The dollar strengthened during the quarter, reducing returns for USD-based investor," .....what is your judgement call on this....
many of Asia x jpn funds had been performing great for the last few months.....partly due to weaker RM?

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only SC is subjected to GST right?
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Based on my understanding of GST, yes.

But just in case, I've dropped an email to FSM to confirm my calculations.

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Dear FSM,

Please let me know if my understanding is correct.

Example:

I'm investing RM 1000 in fund A with 0.5% Sales Charge.

Sales charge = rm4.98
Add GST @ 6% = RM0.30
NETT sales charged = rm5.28

Basically the 6% is charged on any FEES imposed on the financial transactions, not the total amount of investment transaction itself.

Is the above understanding correct?

Thanks.

Regards,

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 3 2015, 05:09 PM)
Pacific Global Stars are underperforming its peers. From my observation,  this fund tends to do well in a down market, but lags in a bull run like the one we're in right now.

cybermaster98
RHB-OSK GEYF performance kinda dropped after RHB took over. I'd pick combo of CIMB Global Titans and Aberdeen Islamic World instead.
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Erm, for the past 6 months, Aberdeen results significantly behind GTF and GEYF cry.gif
I'm now rethinking the whole 'buy and leave it there' approach adopted by the fund manager. Would it really work out to be better in the long run?
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QUOTE(woonsc @ Mar 3 2015, 06:11 PM)
only SC is subjected to GST right?
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from Cimb...
Is Unit Trust subject to GST?
Buying/selling of investment units in a unit trust is exempted from GST. However, sales charge, exit fee, switching fee and other fees/charges are subject to GST of 6%.

What type of fee in unit trusts is subject to GST?
GST applies to the following fee:
• Application fee
• Management fee (charged at fund level)
• Switching fee
• Transfer fee and
• Exit fee (if the fee is for a service)
• Any other fee that may be applicable in the future

http://www.cimb-principal.com.my/Investor_...ionArticle.aspx


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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Mar 3 2015, 06:16 PM)
Based on my understanding of GST, yes.

But just in case, I've dropped an email to FSM to confirm my calculations.
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http://www.cimb-principal.com.my/Investor_...ionArticle.aspx
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 3 2015, 06:20 PM)
Yup, pretty much confirms my understanding laugh.gif

Gonna work and update the sheet soon cry.gif

Some more have to account to different possible scenarios, fund bought PRE-GST and post GST, and in case of future gst percentages hike. hmm.gif
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....... and in case of future gst percentages hike. hmm.gif
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additional column (cell) in which the user key in the GST value manually....everytime there is a transaction.
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additional column (cell) in which the user key in the GST value manually....everytime there is a transaction.
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Yep, think that'll be best case, as other possible methods are too complicated (Ie a sheet for user to maintain gst percentage based on validity period)
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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Mar 3 2015, 06:23 PM)
Yup, pretty much confirms my understanding laugh.gif

Gonna work and update the sheet soon cry.gif

Some more have to account to different possible scenarios, fund bought PRE-GST and post GST, and in case of future gst percentages hike. hmm.gif
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Does that mean you will load up on equity funds before 31 March?
But for me no point since the main bulk of the GST will be charged on management fees of the fund and the fund expenses
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Does that mean you will load up on equity funds before 31 March?
But for me no point since the main bulk of the GST will be charged on management fees of the fund and the fund expenses
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Nope, as there's no point like you've explained.

The 6% charged is on the fees imposed. We can't really run from this anyway, might as well as accept it.
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Hi everyone, I am new to FSM but I have invested in unit trusts before.

I have the RHB-OSK Global Capital Fund as part of my portfolio but they are terminating the fund by end of March 2015. From the sifus here, is there any other RHB fund that is good for switching into? I am already heavily invested in RHB-OSK India Dynamic Growth Fund and RHB-OSK Asia Financials Fund.

I am thinking of switching into the RHB-OSK Global Multi Manager Fund since this is the only fund of funds in FSM (if I am not mistaken) and also the RHB-OSK Asian Total Return Fund. Bearing in mind that there is a RM25 switching fee imposed by RHB for each switch.

P/S: On an unrelated topic, I am sure you have all received the e-mail from FSM about the GST. My understanding is that we have pay an extra 6% GST on top of all the sales charges, etc that we are paying.

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Looks like I will need to update my spreadsheet to accommodate GST component imposed on the fees soon whistling.gif whistling.gif

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Mar 3 2015, 06:38 PM)
Hi everyone, I am new to FSM but I have invested in unit trusts before.

I have the RHB-OSK Global Capital Fund as part of my portfolio but they are terminating the fund by end of March 2015. From the sifus here, is there any other RHB fund that is good for switching into? I am already heavily invested in RHB-OSK India Dynamic Growth Fund and RHB-OSK Asia Financials Fund.

I am thinking of switching into the RHB-OSK Global Multi Manager Fund since this is the only fund of funds in FSM (if I am not mistaken) and also the RHB-OSK Asian Total Return Fund. Bearing in mind that there is a RM25 switching fee imposed by RHB for each switch.

P/S:  On an unrelated topic, I am sure you have all received the e-mail from FSM about the GST. My understanding is that we have pay an extra 6% GST on top of all the sales charges, etc that we are paying.
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If your investment amount is not significant, u might wanna consider selling and buying instead of incurring the RM25 switching fee
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I am thinking of switching into the RHB-OSK Global Multi Manager Fund since this is the only fund of funds in FSM (if I am not mistaken) and also the RHB-OSK Asian Total Return Fund. Bearing in mind that there is a RM25 switching fee imposed by RHB for each switch.
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hmm.gif ONLY funds?.....if you liked other RHB OSK funds in FSM...try this (follow steps, 1,2,3,4)
you will see a long lists of funds under RHB OSK

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Just a side note:

Ponzi 2.0 fund size is approaching 1.5 billion:

RM 1,470.00 million (as at January 31, 2015)
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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 3 2015, 07:16 PM)
Just a side note:

Ponzi 2.0 fund size is approaching 1.5 billion:

RM 1,470.00 million (as at January 31, 2015)
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rclxub.gif WOW, how to calculate the mgmt. fees charged.....
approximate all in 2.0% x 15000,000,xxx (how many zeros should there be?)
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3 March 2015

The Implementation of Malaysian Goods and Services Tax (“GST”)

The Malaysian Government has announced the implementation of Goods and Services Tax (“GST”) of 6% in the Budget 2014, which will be effective starting from 1 April 2015.

GST is a multi-stage tax on domestic consumption. GST is charged on all taxable supplies of goods and services in Malaysia except those specifically exempted.

As such, we would like to inform that under the GST regime, all charges (sales charge, transfer fee, switching fee, redemption fee and platform fee) and expenses charged to the fund (annual management fee and annual trustee fee) will be subjected to GST and will be borne by investors, unless stated otherwise.

For more information on GST, please visit the Royal Malaysian Customs Department website at www.gst.customs.gov.my.

If you have any enquiries, please do not hesitate to contact us at 03-2149 0567 or 04-640 1567. Alternatively, you can email us at clienthelp.my@fundsupermart.com.

Thank you.



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QUOTE(T231H @ Mar 3 2015, 07:29 PM)
rclxub.gif  WOW,  how to calculate the mgmt. fees charged.....
approximate all in 2.0% x 15000,000,xxx (how many zeros should there be?)
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1 billion has 9 thrilling zeroes: 1,000,000,000

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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 3 2015, 08:20 PM)
1 billion has 9 thrilling zeroes: 1,000,000,000
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hmm.gif just about 30 million pa....just from 1 fund.... thumbup.gif go buy the CIMB share?... whistling.gif

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GST  rclxub.gif
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How come I didn't receive such email.
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hmm.gif just about 30 million pa....just from 1 fund.... thumbup.gif  go buy the RHB share?... whistling.gif
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rhb? bukan cimb?
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doh.gif alamak...bought the wrong share laugh.gif
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QUOTE(T231H @ Mar 3 2015, 08:55 PM)
doh.gif  alamak...bought the wrong share  laugh.gif
(Ori post corrected!)
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CIMB share not doing quite well for the past few months. Below RM 6.00 most of the time.

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CIMB share not doing quite well for the past few months. Below RM 6.00 most of the time.
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haha cause of the 1MDB loan I guess?
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How come I didn't receive such email.
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haha cause of the 1MDB loan I guess?
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Ambank macam got more 1MDB loan~
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well u can't "run" from kena GST  tongue.gif
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er.. in a way.. possible, but not probable
... don't spend.. tongue.gif
GST is a consumption tax - as long as we spend/consume, chick-ching!
Gov collects
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er.. in a way.. possible, but not probable
... don't spend.. tongue.gif
GST is a consumption tax - as long as we spend/consume, chick-ching!
Gov collects
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coonot wor..
I good person, give gomen free money & also "help" people cari makan by buying their products / services  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 3 2015, 06:48 PM)
If your investment amount is not significant, u might wanna consider selling and buying instead of incurring the RM25 switching fee
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Hi Pink Spider, thanks for your reply. I will lose out more in sales charges by transferring to other funds. I will have to research more into the other RHB funds for intra fund transfer. smile.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 3 2015, 06:58 PM)
hmm.gif ONLY funds?.....if you liked other RHB OSK funds in FSM...try this (follow steps, 1,2,3,4)
you will see a long lists of funds under RHB OSK
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Hi YK Looi, what I meant is that
RHB-OSK Multi Manager Fund is a unit trust using the fund of funds concept. This means it invests in a collection of mostly other unit trusts. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Mar 3 2015, 06:16 PM)
Based on my understanding of GST, yes.

But just in case, I've dropped an email to FSM to confirm my calculations.
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i think your calculation is definitely correct based on this...

As such, we would like to inform that under the GST regime, all charges (sales charge, transfer fee, switching fee, redemption fee and platform fee) and expenses charged to the fund (annual management fee and annual trustee fee) will be subjected to GST and will be borne by investors, unless stated otherwise.

Basically any fees involved will kena tax liao. cry.gif
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QUOTE(JAIDK23 @ Mar 3 2015, 11:08 PM)
i think your calculation is definitely correct based on this...

As such, we would like to inform that under the GST regime, all charges (sales charge, transfer fee, switching fee, redemption fee and platform fee) and expenses charged to the fund (annual management fee and annual trustee fee) will be subjected to GST and will be borne by investors, unless stated otherwise.

Basically any fees involved will kena tax liao.  cry.gif
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Cannot run away anyway laugh.gif

Consumers headache, business also headache rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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Divest KGF but not Eastsprings SC?
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hmm.gif SC is already PAID....why in a hurry to sell??  rclxub.gif  doh.gif
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Ambank macam got more 1MDB loan~
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Seems legit..

"Rafizi: Ambank CEO quit over dodgy 1MDB loan"

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Seems legit..

"Rafizi: Ambank CEO quit over dodgy 1MDB loan"

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AMbank ... kantoi liao...

Any sifu recommend to diversify into funds like SGD income fund for the moment like this.. battered RM?
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Any sifu recommend to diversify into funds like SGD income fund for the moment like this.. battered RM?
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RM had already been battered.....unless can foresee much more further down side.....I guess it is already too late to shift.
hmm.gif doesn't the weakening RM do play a part in producing better return results for the past few months on our funds invested outside Malaysia? shakehead.gif

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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Mar 3 2015, 05:34 PM)
Anyone holding AMB Income Trust Fund and noticed the sudden drop today sweat.gif laugh.gif

AH nevermind, now I understand. This is distribution in the work laugh.gif laugh.gif

Practical experience is really better at teaching than theories tongue.gif
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how much % hv u allocated in AMB ITF?

Since when? is it good? for the past few years machiam nice.
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Hi guys can anyone share how you pick funds ? Is it through past years performance?
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doh.gif  2nd that
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As I have said, I wan to consolidate all my funds in one platform.. Furthermore, March is the distribution month for my funds, and you already know, what will happen, when there is distribution. The NAV will go down and I will have to wait another 10 months to a year to get +ve.

So, I might as well sell all my PM funds and start all over with FSM. biggrin.gif

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My FSM account already activated.. and I bought both KGF and CIMB Dynamic Income Fund as a start.

Malaysia: 50%
Asia Ex Japan: 50%

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QUOTE(august77 @ Mar 4 2015, 07:34 AM)
As I have said, I wan to consolidate all my funds in one platform.. Furthermore, March is the distribution month for my funds, and you already know, what will happen, when there is distribution. The NAV will go down and I will have to wait another 10 months to a year to get +ve.

So, I might as well sell all my PM funds and start all over with FSM.  biggrin.gif
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doh.gif Bro.. distribution doesn't affect your investment value, it just dilute it into newer units..

E.g

100units at 10cent is the same with 1000units at 1 cent (considering a distribution of 9 cents)..

If need to wait 10 months to get back to + after distribution..
haha we all will be putting into FD..

Please read Post #1 thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(woonsc @ Mar 4 2015, 07:47 AM)
doh.gif  Bro.. distribution doesn't affect your investment value, it just dilute it into newer units..

E.g

100units at 10cent is the same with 1000units at 1 cent (considering a distribution of 9 cents)..

If need to wait 10 months to get back to + after distribution..
haha we all will be putting into FD..

Please read Post #1  thumbup.gif
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I understand.. Yup, it did happen to the fund which the UTC recommended to me. I lan2 subscribed and had to wait 10 months. biggrin.gif

That's why i have some funds in FD too... smile.gif

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QUOTE(august77 @ Mar 4 2015, 07:52 AM)
I understand.. Yup, it did happen to the fund which the UTC recommended to me. I lan2 subscribed and had to wait 10 months.  biggrin.gif
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cry.gif why do i still feel that you still think distribution is decreasing ur investment..
Even in FSM, distribution occurs laah.. icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(woonsc @ Mar 4 2015, 07:57 AM)
cry.gif  why do i still feel that you still think distribution is decreasing ur investment..
Even in FSM, distribution occurs laah..  icon_rolleyes.gif

and welcome to Fatt So Much! haha
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doh.gif Seems like everybody wans me to stay with PM, when I wanna make a move to FSM. Haiz... Eventho it is not all about the distribution or dilution of units..

Anyway.. Better don bring up the distribution topic again.

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Hi guys can anyone share how you pick funds ? Is it through past years performance?
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hmm.gif How to Pick Quality Funds?
revisit three key points to bear in mind when selecting high-quality funds and help you make wiser investment decisions. ....Author : Fundsupermart.com
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=5459

small note: Past performance and any forecast is not necessarily indicative of the future or likely performance of the fund.


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QUOTE(august77 @ Mar 4 2015, 08:03 AM)
doh.gif Seems like everybody wans me to stay with PM, when I wanna make a move to FSM. Haiz... Eventho it is not all about the distribution or dilution of units..

Anyway.. Better don bring up the distribution topic again.
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I never been to PM tongue.gif cause i still young..
Belum 20, thumbup.gif thank God able to start young..

You can either
1) Continue you PM investment
2) Switch all to FSM
3) Maintain PM (Since sudah bayar 5%SC) and start invest into FSM)

Depends if you use PM to buy their Insurance like xuzen
can consider it..
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QUOTE(august77 @ Mar 4 2015, 08:03 AM)
doh.gif Seems like everybody wans me to stay with PM, when I wanna make a move to FSM. Haiz... Eventho it is not all about the distribution or dilution of units..

Anyway.. Better don bring up the distribution topic again.
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facts is just facts....if you just wanted to be PLEASED, even when it is just NOT right.....I think this thread is not the placed to be. wink.gif icon_rolleyes.gif

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I just started to join FSM.
My funds pick and allocation:
1. CIMB Dynamic Income fund (60%)
2. Eastspring Investment Small cap-fund (20%)
3. Kenanga Growth (20%)

Good idea?

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QUOTE(mois @ Mar 4 2015, 08:28 AM)
I just started to join FSM.
My funds pick and allocation:
1. CIMB Dynamic Income fund (60%) is this Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund?
2. Eastspring Investment Small cap-fund (20%)
3. Kenanga Growth (20%)

Good idea?
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if yes, for the above....if can try to get some US, Eu, Japan as there are none in your portfolio

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if yes, for the above....if can try to get some US, Eu, Japan as there are none in your portfolio
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Yes. Any funds to recommend for US, EU and JP?
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cry.gif  why do i still feel that you still think distribution is decreasing ur investment..
Even in FSM, distribution occurs laah..  icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(mois @ Mar 4 2015, 09:28 AM)
I just started to join FSM.
My funds pick and allocation:
1. CIMB Dynamic Income fund (60%)
2. Eastspring Investment Small cap-fund (20%)
3. Kenanga Growth (20%)

Good idea?
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Good for me!
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Yes. Any funds to recommend for US, EU and JP?
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http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...etMYCIMB010.pdf
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 3 2015, 09:17 AM)
Just to give some perspective, let's take Berkshire Hathaway for example. BH has never given distribution nor share split. Today its unit cost around USD 150.00 per share. very high right? Will put off many investors right? See the price only... turn-off liao.

Another example, albeit a local one, is Manulife Investment Linked Managed Fund. Its NAV is RM 4.00++ per unit vis-a-vis of most UT at less than 50cts per unit. Again, it is a turn-off for most investors.

So distribution is one way to bring the unit price down to "enticed" new investors.

Xuzen.

p/s Just my opinion, wrong or right? Is just my opinion.
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 4 2015, 08:49 AM)
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hmm.gif not a good year and the next few years for Equities?
Not as rosy as painted by FHs?
OR they are anticipating the crash coming?.....

Asia's investment banking and equities market has led to more casualties in Singapore, with CIMB Group Holdings letting go 15 employees, including prominent economist Song Seng Wun.
This follows a string of similar moves at other banks. Goldman Sachs is reportedly slashing its investment banking team in Singapore by about 30 per cent.
In January, StanChart said it would cut 200 jobs, mostly in Asia, as it exited the global institutional cash equities, equity research and equities capital market businesses. More cuts could be around the corner after the bank announced a major boardroom reshuffle last week.
Nomura, too, has removed 12 jobs at its Asia equities division to trim costs and focus on more profitable businesses. - See more at: http://www.straitstimes.com/news/business/...h.MCIXq6c6.dpuf

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As long as QE is still on...the bull will still go on...

But be careful not to overinvest wink.gif

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As long as QE is still on...the bull will still go on...

But be careful not to overinvest wink.gif

Just my 1 sen opinion
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those that can do QE will print to float their own soils to minimize the impact of funds flowing back to US when rates hike.
thumbup.gif    "But be careful not to overinvest"
but.....
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Key word - HOLDING POWER

If market crash and u can afford to keep your funds for another 5-10 years, just be calm and remain invested.

NEVER invest (in high risk funds) with money u need to use in the next 1-3 years icon_rolleyes.gif
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Not a good year for public equity, maybe... but how about private equity?

And then there is this thing called crowdfunding...
New Pebble smartwatch raises $1 million on Kickstarter in record time
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 4 2015, 09:41 AM)
Key word - HOLDING POWER

If market crash and u can afford to keep your funds for another 5-10 years, just be calm and remain invested.

NEVER invest (in high risk funds) with money u need to use in the next 1-3 years icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Mar 4 2015, 09:44 AM)
Not a good year for public equity, maybe... but how about private equity?

And then there is this thing called crowdfunding...
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Despite the bleak economy, Thai billionaires have grown even wealthier, according to Forbes magazine.
....The global economy may have been shaky, but the net worths of the wealthy showed a rising trend, with 1,826 billionaires on the list, up from 1,645 last year.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/business/news/4...hai-billionaire

sweat.gif why wasn't my name in that list. laugh.gif Because you don't know what to do with your little monies that you have? vmad.gif

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Dear FSM,

Please let me know if my understanding is correct.

Example:

I'm investing RM 1000 in fund A with 0.5% Sales Charge.

Sales charge = rm4.98
Add GST @ 6% = RM0.30
NETT sales charged = rm5.28

Basically the 6% is charged on any FEES imposed on the financial transactions, not the total amount of investment transaction itself.

Is the above understanding correct?

Thanks.

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Unker u really... doh.gif
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Unker Looi, how are you? Recently all the fund keep going up, your portfoilio ROI got around 3% already?
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QUOTE(woonsc @ Mar 4 2015, 08:10 AM)
I never been to PM tongue.gif cause i still young..
Belum 20,  thumbup.gif  thank God able to start young..

You can either
1) Continue you PM investment
2) Switch all to FSM
3) Maintain PM (Since sudah bayar 5%SC) and start invest into FSM)

Depends if you use PM to buy their Insurance like xuzen
can consider it..
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Haha nasi sudah jadi bubur unker.. He already jual all his pm's fund and start a new life.. laugh.gif

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Haha nasi sudah jadi bubur unker.. He already jual all his pm's fund and start a new life.. laugh.gif

Morning anyway wub.gif
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Haha brunch loh.. I just finished 2 hour lecture rclxub.gif

Haha if Sudan sell, why hesitate again?!
Mau bayar 5%SC again?!
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hi all, i am still new to fund and have a question here.

I bought some units in Kenanga Growth Fund, that declared income distribution at 28 Feb, but I don't see amount of units owned increases.

Does it take some times for the additional units? or am I having misunderstanding on income distribution?
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hi all, i am still new to fund and have a question here.

I bought some units in Kenanga Growth Fund, that declared income distribution at 28 Feb, but I don't see amount of units owned increases.

Does it take some times for the additional units? or am I having misunderstanding on income distribution?
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Don't worry, just sit still and wait.
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They usually take a few working days up to a week or so to credit back to your account.

Don't worry, just sit still and wait.
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Mar 4 2015, 10:23 AM)
Unker too free. Retiree ma.

Unker Looi, how are you? Recently all the fund keep going up, your portfoilio ROI got around 3% already?
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last checked ROI 6.57% YTD is 4.57%
ROI should be Higher if not having shifted from 95% EQ to 75% EQ in Dec...
therefore.....ROI to me is just a figure (for satisfactions) as it is impacted by what, where, how much and how long it is held ....
anyway..YTD / ROI figure is to my liking lor. NEVER had it sooooo good since May 2013

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last checked ROI 6.57% YTD is 4.57%
ROI should be Higher if not having shifted from 95% EQ to 75% EQ in Dec...
therefore.....ROI to me is just a figure (for satisfactions) as it is impacted by what, where, how much and how long it is held ....
anyway..YTD / ROI figure is to my liking lor. NEVER had it sooooo good since May 2013
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Awesome lah, uncle. Happy for you.

Anyway, you shifted out 20% out into bonds or park in CMF?

But what do you mean ROI is just a figure. In the end it translate to monetary value gain or loss. Of course it is impacted by what, where, how much. If it is not impacted, the world will be all the same. It doesn't matter where we invest in. We invest in FD and we get equity return. Who don't want right?

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Mar 4 2015, 11:55 AM)
Awesome lah, uncle. Happy for you.

Anyway, you shifted out 20% out into bonds or park in CMF?

But what do you mean ROI is just a figure. In the end it translate to monetary value gain or loss. Of course it is impacted by what, where, how much. If it is not impacted, the world will be all the same. It doesn't matter where we invest in. We invest in FD and we get equity return. Who don't want right?
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actually i shift out 30%...reentered into EQ 10% in end Dec. Entered into KGF, EISc and topup Emer Opp.
balanced parked at CMF and Hwang Fixed maturity 3yrs fund (1st time there)
ROI is just a figure because i don't want to target it too much...ELSE might END up with ONLY KGF & EISCF... hmm.gif NOT a BAD thing to do...when come to think about it..... blush.gif

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CIMB-Principal Greater China Equity Fund [March 2015]
In this month's FSM Fund Choice, we will be highlighting the CIMB-Principal Greater China Equity Fund.Author : iFAST Research Team
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=5576
fundfactsheet
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...etMYCIMB011.pdf

NOPE..did not mentioned any discounted SC

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 4 2015, 12:35 PM)
CIMB-Principal Greater China Equity Fund [March 2015]
In this month's FSM Fund Choice, we will be highlighting the CIMB-Principal Greater China Equity Fund.Author : iFAST Research Team
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=5576
fundfactsheet
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...etMYCIMB011.pdf

NOPE..did not mentioned any discounted SC
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I apply for fsm this morning around 9am. It is normal that they havent call me until now to confirm my application?
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I apply for fsm this morning around 9am. It is normal that they havent call me until now to confirm my application?
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guys this is the sales charger for aberdeen islamic world equity fund.

Fundsupermart's Discounted Initial Sales Charge 2 %
Annual Management Charge 1.75 %
Trustee Fee 0.08% of the NAV of the Fund, subject to a minimum of RM 18,000 per annum. (excluding foreign custodian fees and charges if applicable)
Other Significant Fees -
Annual Expense Ratio ^ 0.81% (as of June 30, 2014)

how much is the charges per annum for this ?

is it 2% + 1.75% +0.08% +0.81% ??
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QUOTE(atrocitines @ Mar 4 2015, 01:46 PM)
guys this is the sales charger for aberdeen islamic world equity fund.

Fundsupermart's Discounted Initial Sales Charge 2 %
Annual Management Charge 1.75 %
Trustee Fee 0.08% of the NAV of the Fund, subject to a minimum of RM 18,000 per annum. (excluding foreign custodian fees and charges if applicable)
Other Significant Fees -
Annual Expense Ratio ^ 0.81% (as of June 30, 2014)

how much is the charges per annum for this ?

is it 2% + 1.75% +0.08% +0.81% ??
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 4 2015, 10:32 AM)
As long as QE is still on...the bull will still go on...

But be careful not to overinvest wink.gif

Just my 1 sen opinion
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My opinion is the same.. as long as there is QE backup supporting the market. Should look alright for the time being (near future)..
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I apply for fsm this morning around 9am. It is normal that they havent call me until now to confirm my application?
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QUOTE(laith @ Mar 4 2015, 03:12 PM)
An alternative for Manulife – China Value Fund
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wah.. increase expenses. Less profit for investors

.....As such, we would like to inform that under the GST regime, all charges (sales charge, transfer fee, switching fee, redemption fee and platform fee) and expenses charged to the fund (annual management fee and annual trustee fee) will be subjected to GST and will be borne by investors, unless stated otherwise.
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QUOTE(elea88 @ Mar 4 2015, 03:49 PM)
wah.. increase expenses. Less profit for investors

.....As such, we would like to inform that under the GST regime, all charges (sales charge, transfer fee, switching fee, redemption fee and platform fee) and expenses charged to the fund (annual management fee and annual trustee fee) will be subjected to GST and will be borne by investors, unless stated otherwise.
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More balanced: RHB-OSK CHINA-INDIA DYNAMIC GROWTH FUND
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For first time in years, euro economy starts surprising on upside.
(Reuters) - The euro zone economy is sprouting more green shoots than anticipated just as the European Central Bank fires up a money printing program worth more than 1 trillion euros.
An analysis of Reuters polls shows more than half the most important economic reports since the start of the year, as well as data across the bloc's four largest economies, have beaten the consensus forecast and many have topped the highest prediction.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/04/...N0M019220150304

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what happened to KGF? one day drop almost 8% to 9%..
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what happened to KGF? one day drop almost 8% to 9%..
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US market slide for 2 days

URL: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/stocks-lower...-153020453.html
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How do I check latest prices for Manulife India Equity Fund? FSM seems quite slow.
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How do I check latest prices for Manulife India Equity Fund? FSM seems quite slow.
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You can use Bloomberg:

http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/MAINDEQ:MK

Manulife Malaysia website doesn't have this fund price.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 5 2015, 08:58 AM)
You can use Bloomberg:

http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/MAINDEQ:MK

Manulife Malaysia website doesn't have this fund price.
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http://www.manulifeinvestment.com.my/Pages...iceListing.aspx
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I use another link: http://www.manulife.com.my/fpulink/Pages/fundprices.aspx sweat.gif
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Just curious. How will the Malaysian funds (eg: Kenanga Growth Fund and etc) perform once GST kick in since April is not very far from now?
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Just curious. How will the Malaysian funds (eg: Kenanga Growth Fund and etc) perform once GST kick in since April is not very far from now?
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already in Maldives, with Vietnam mois tongue.gif

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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 5 2015, 09:40 AM)
hmm.gif your isit Insurance Linked Investment Fund?
maybe la..
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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 5 2015, 09:40 AM)
this is manulife the insurance company... not AM side. thus missing unit price.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 5 2015, 09:40 AM)
This link doesn't tell you about the India Equity fund rite?
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This link doesn't tell you about the India Equity fund rite?
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Looks like I don't need to update my spreadsheet first. No point whistling.gif
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Dear FSM,

Thanks for your confirmation.

So using my example above, the NETT sales charge inclusive of GST is rm5.28, so the balance (rm1000 - rm5.28) will be proceeded to buy unit of funds right?

Thanks!



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Yes, your understanding is correct.

Currently, the calculation has yet to finalize. We will publish on our website once we have finalized the calculation and charges with respective channel.


Please feel free to contact us should you need further assistance.

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Just curious. How will the Malaysian funds (eg: Kenanga Growth Fund and etc) perform once GST kick in since April is not very far from now?
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I think we are now buying at the peak of the market. Some investors (including myself) are already taking profits off the table for KGF, Eastspring Investments Small Cap Fund and CIMB Principal Global Titans.

My 2 cents worth is that it is too late now to jump on the bandwagon and to invest one lump sum into KGF and EISC and hope for a quick profit.This should have been done during the market correction in December 2014 when all the unit fund were in the red and selling at a discount. But DCA into KGF and EISC is still possible if we are investing more than RM10K and have holding power of 2 to 3 years.
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Mar 5 2015, 01:12 PM)
I think we are now buying at the peak of the market. Some investors (including myself) are already taking profits off the table for KGF, Eastspring Investments Small Cap Fund and CIMB Principal Global Titans.

My 2 cents worth is that it is too late now to jump on the bandwagon and to invest one lump sum into KGF and EISC and hope for a quick profit.This should have been done during the market correction in December 2014 when all the unit fund were in the red and selling at a discount. But DCA into KGF and EISC is still possible if we are investing more than RM10K and have holding power of 2 to 3 years.
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Nah , I do not think it's at the peak , perhaps after GST implementation will be the best time to sit back and watch while putting in more gradually , lump sum investment will be risky thou
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If this Saturday got chaos...expect discount sales next week whistling.gif
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If this Saturday got chaos...expect discount sales next week whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Mar 5 2015, 03:42 PM)
I think we are now buying at the peak of the market. Some investors (including myself) are already taking profits off the table for KGF, Eastspring Investments Small Cap Fund and CIMB Principal Global Titans.

My 2 cents worth is that it is too late now to jump on the bandwagon and to invest one lump sum into KGF and EISC and hope for a quick profit.This should have been done during the market correction in December 2014 when all the unit fund were in the red and selling at a discount. But DCA into KGF and EISC is still possible if we are investing more than RM10K and have holding power of 2 to 3 years.
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Mutual funds should be long term to see results IMO. Unless you are seeing 25 - 40% up a year, than I may consider to take some profit. But still remain invested..
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If this Saturday got chaos...expect discount sales next week whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 5 2015, 03:06 PM)
Mutual funds should be long term to see results IMO. Unless you are seeing 25 - 40% up a year, than I may consider to take some profit. But still remain invested..
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Sorry I didn't make myself clear in my first post. What I meant to say by "taking profits" is that I have transferred my profits for KGF, EISC and CIMB Global Titans via intra fund transfer into bond funds within the same fund houses. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(adamdacutie @ Mar 5 2015, 02:48 PM)
Nah , I do not think it's at the peak , perhaps after GST implementation will be the best time to sit back and watch while putting in more gradually , lump sum investment will be risky thou
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From what I read in the news, the foreign investors have abandoned our share market for the time being. Currently the share market is being propped up by the 2 giants, EPF and PNB. Otherwise it would have collapsed since December 2014.

I don't have a crystal ball otherwise I would be rich by now. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Mar 5 2015, 03:15 PM)
From what I read in the news, the foreign investors have abandoned our share market for the time being. Currently the share market is being propped up by the 2 giants, EPF and PNB. Otherwise it would have collapsed since December 2014.

I don't have a crystal ball otherwise I would be rich by now.  biggrin.gif
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It's well known to most of us that our local fund is very "supportive" to KLCI tongue.gif
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ive got an email from Alfredo doo doo whistling.gif

"Time to look at European Market?" shakehead.gif

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China's stocks erase this year's gain after growth target is cut Published on Mar 5, 2015 3:17 PM -
HONG KONG (Bloomberg) - China's stocks fell, erasing the benchmark index's gain for the year, after the government set the lowest economic growth target in more than 15 years and concern grew new share offerings will divert funds from existing equities. The Shanghai Composite Index slid 1.4 per cent to 3,233.58 at 1:53 p.m., - See more at: http://www.straitstimes.com/news/business/...h.n48AFvlp.dpuf

Ponzi 2.0 has 35% in HK & China....
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QUOTE(JAIDK23 @ Mar 5 2015, 07:17 PM)
ive got an email from Alfredo doo doo whistling.gif

"Time to look at European Market?"  shakehead.gif

which fund focus on that market and the most "ponzier"?  hmm.gif
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TA EUROPEAN EQUITY FUND
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...number=MYTAEUEF

AMSCHRODER EUROPEAN EQUITY ALPHA
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...lnumber=MYAMSEE

Ponzi or not? You analyze them yourself.
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 4 2015, 02:17 PM)
My opinion is the same.. as long as there is QE backup supporting the market. Should look alright for the time being (near future)..
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"Putting such considerations to one side, however, there are grounds for caution.
First, the ECB is late to the party. QE came far earlier in the United States, when bond yields were higher and policy could therefore have a stronger influence.
Second, as former US Treasury Secretary Larry Summers has pointed out, US QE was unexpected – and therefore provided the economy with a “jolt” in a way that well-flagged ECB moves may not.
And finally, US QE worked through the capital markets, whereas Eurozone credit is largely bank-based.
Question marks remain over the transmission from QE to bank lending, despite Mr Draghi’s bullishness, though modest signs of life in the latest Eurozone bank lending survey are at least encouraging.
In summary, therefore, the ECB’s announcements may be welcome; they may be necessary; but whether they will be sufficient remains to be seen."

Aberdeen: ECB's QE and Negative Yield Consequences .....March 5, 2015
Author : Aberdeen International Fund Managers Ltd http://www.fundsupermart.com.hk/hk/main/re...?articleNo=9421

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So.. Transactions take 4 days to complete huh.. I keep waiting ~~
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So.. Transactions take 4 days to complete huh.. I keep waiting ~~
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4 days to be reflected in your holdings summary.

But it's transacted on the SAME day u enter if u meet the 3PM cut-off time.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 6 2015, 01:33 PM)
4 days to be reflected in your holdings summary.

But it's transacted on the SAME day u enter if u meet the 3PM cut-off time.
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Ah yes. I keep login to check my holdings. Haha.
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Ah yes. I keep login to check my holdings. Haha.
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Patience my friend. Especially if non-local funds like Aberdeen world, you need one (or 2) more day before it can be priced. If you deposit CMF usually within two days will be reflected in that holdings summary.

PS: detected another female in FSM thread... tongue.gif

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Mar 6 2015, 03:05 PM)
Patience my friend. Especially if non-local funds like Aberdeen world, you need one (or 2) more day before it can be priced. If you deposit CMF usually within two days will be reflected in that holdings summary.

PS: detected another female in FSM thread...  tongue.gif
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.. wait till neck long laugh.gif
nearly 2 weeks before see updated data pun kena before
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Is it a good time to accumulate for KGF because the price has been dropped a lot recently?
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anyone knows if fund always declare income distribution at the same time every year?
I'm asking for Ponzi 2.0. will it declare on March 2015 according to previous records?
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anyone knows if fund always declare income distribution at the same time every year?
I'm asking for Ponzi 2.0. will it declare on March 2015 according to previous records?
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Why would u wanna know?
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I have my reasons. smile.gif Anyone can confirm?
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I have my reasons.  smile.gif Anyone can confirm?
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State your reasons. I'm in the mood to rebuff people and dispel myths.

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Is it a good time to accumulate for KGF because the price has been dropped a lot recently?
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what caused it's dropped?
did it dropped because of income distribution or because the market(s) in which the fund invested in had corrected/crashed thus causing underlying stocks invested by the fund undervalued?
Based on "PAST" performance of KGF......I think anytime is ALSO a GOOD time to invest........buy when market dips (not NAV dipped due to income distribution) is always better.

".....investors should never solely judge if a fund is cheap or expensive based on its fund price. Instead, investors may find it more helpful if they are aware of the valuation (or estimated price-earning ratios) of the underlying equity market which the fund invests in. It is also useful to observe how a fund has performed over a period of time rather than just for short bouts of time. "
http://www.fundsupermart.com.hk/hk/main/re...?articleNo=2690

btw....KGF just declared income distribution on 26 Feb 2015...thus caused it's NAV to drop.
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 6 2015, 03:48 PM)
after u post, already busy tis thread  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Mar 6 2015, 03:05 PM)
Patience my friend. Especially if non-local funds like Aberdeen world, you need one (or 2) more day before it can be priced. If you deposit CMF usually within two days will be reflected in that holdings summary.

PS: detected another female in FSM thread...  tongue.gif
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does that mean minority of us actually do investments or that we're not active in FSM thread? tongue.gif
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State your reasons. I'm in the mood to rebuff people and dispel myths.
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just do it already. listen to the same thing 1000 times also beh sian seriously.
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QUOTE(Amatiel @ Mar 6 2015, 04:44 PM)
just do it already. listen to the same thing 1000 times also beh sian seriously.
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Next time anyone ask anything about distribution, NAV price drop (is it a good time to top up?) etc I just gonna reply with a big big big

PLEASE READ POST #1 THOROUGHLY

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 6 2015, 04:46 PM)
Next time anyone ask anything about distribution, NAV price drop (is it a good time to top up?) etc I just gonna reply with a big big big

PLEASE READ POST #1 THOROUGHLY

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Lol i just asked one simple question and love how the people here just jump the gun and assumed im talking bout the buy low sell high misconception etc.

Im a long time lurker here and i learnt alot from all of you and I'm really thankful. i just rarely post things.
I really dont wanna start another thread seeing people argue, talking bout mooncakes etc.
But thanks for asking my reasons and wanted to help me. appreciate it.

Just wanna know a simple Yes/No to a simple question. that's all
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QUOTE(xinkof @ Mar 6 2015, 04:51 PM)
Lol i just asked one simple question and love how the people here just jump the gun and assumed im talking bout the buy low sell high misconception etc.

Im a long time lurker here and i learnt alot from all of you and I'm really thankful. i just rarely post things.
I really dont wanna start another thread seeing people argue, talking bout mooncakes etc.
But thanks for asking my reasons and wanted to help me. appreciate it.

Just wanna know a simple Yes/No to a simple question. that's all
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Why is it so hard just to state your reason??? doh.gif

U'd have saved the thread from a few wasteful posts grumble.gif
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Why is it so hard just to state your reason??? doh.gif

U'd have saved the thread from a few wasteful posts grumble.gif
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Err because i have my own reasons ???
Wth why can't people just ask simple questions here and let others answers, and get on with it?
Do i need to state out how much i bought? what i bought? when i bought? What my future plans are?

You'd save the thread by not keep asking for it.
sorry to others. i'll just back to lurking.
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QUOTE(xinkof @ Mar 6 2015, 04:56 PM)
Err because i have my own reasons ???
Wth why can't people just ask simple questions here and let others answers, and get on with it?
Do i need to state out how much i bought? what i bought? when i bought? What my future plans are?

You'd save the thread by not keep asking for it.
sorry to others. i'll just back to lurking.
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Defensive personalities who do not like to share thoughts and cannot discuss constructively do not belong in forums. Forums are meant for discussions and thoughts sharing.

Go back to lurk then. U won't be missed.

Bye.

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anyone knows if fund always declare income distribution at the same time every year?
I'm asking for Ponzi 2.0. will it declare on March 2015 according to previous records?
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i think no one knows it. unless u know fund manager in that fund houses.

March? not december?

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...endHistory.svdo
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anyone knows if fund always declare income distribution at the same time every year?
I'm asking for Ponzi 2.0. will it declare on March 2015 according to previous records?
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based
1) on "past" distribution history dates....
2) financial year end date ---31 Mar
3) its distribution policy ----Depending on the level of income (if any) the Fund generates, the Fund aims to distribute part or all of its distributable income on an annual basis.

YES, I think there is a "High' probability of income distribution on Mar 2015 too.
NO, I do know "if a fund always declare income distribution at the same time every year"....I never monitor it for remembrance....just take notice and forget.

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based
1) on "past" distribution history dates....
2) financial year end date ---31 Mar
3) its distribution policy ----Depending on the level of income (if any) the Fund generates, the Fund aims to distribute part or all of its distributable income on an annual basis.

YEs, I think there is a "High' probability of income distribution on Mar 2015 too.
NO, I do know "if a fund always declare income distribution at the same time every year"....I never monitor it for remembrance....just take notice and forget.
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Malaysian exports contract
• 6 Mar 2015 at 18:49

KUALA LUMPUR — Malaysia's exports contracted by 0.6% on an annual basis in January due to a decline in demand for petroleum and palm-oil based products, the government said Friday.

Exports receipts for January totaled 63.60 billion ringgit (565 billion baht), down from 63.97 billion ringgit a year ago, according to the Department of Statistics.

The agency said that refined petroleum products, which accounted for 5.4% of total exports, fell by 41.8% to 3.4 billion ringgit due to a drop in both value and export volume.

Exports of palm oil and palm-based products, which account for 7.2% of total exports, also decreased by 15.3% to 4.6 billion ringgit.

Export to China, one of the country's largest trading market, dropped by 22.7%.

January imports also slipped year-on-year to 54.6 billion ringgit from 57.6 billion, mainly due to a drop in the purchase of intermediate goods such as fuel and lubricants, which constituted 60.6% of the country's imports.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/asean/4907...xports-contract

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QUOTE(JAIDK23 @ Mar 6 2015, 05:42 PM)
after post, went to sunway giza shopping groceries  sweat.gif

i tot evelibadi pretend to be busy  brows.gif  hhahaha
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No need work ar? Can guo shopping somemore


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anyone knows if fund always declare income distribution at the same time every year?
I'm asking for Ponzi 2.0. will it declare on March 2015 according to previous records?
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based
1) on "past" distribution history dates....
2) financial year end date ---31 Mar
3) its distribution policy ----Depending on the level of income (if any) the Fund generates, the Fund aims to distribute part or all of its distributable income on an annual basis.

YES, I think there is a "High' probability of income distribution on Mar 2015 too.
NO, I do know "if a fund always declare income distribution at the same time every year"....I never monitor it for remembrance....just take notice and forget.

rclxms.gif a simple Yes/No to a simple question. that's all... thumbup.gif  icon_idea.gif  biggrin.gif
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I hate to update my file everytime when funds give distribution. Help me....!!!

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 6 2015, 10:29 PM)
I hate to update my file everytime when funds give distribution.  Help me....!!!
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possible solution that you can do
get fund that does not give out distribution
update it less often
update it once a year
DON't update it at all
Use the FSM holdings as the only one
Pay someone else to update for you

anyone got more to add? notworthy.gif

just a note...do that only if you don't care about the IRR monitoring

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 6 2015, 11:38 PM)
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possible solution that you can do
get fund that does not give out distribution
update it less often
update it once a year
DON't update it at all
Use the FSM holdings as the only one
Pay someone else to update for you

anyone got more to add?  notworthy.gif

just a note...do that only if you don't care about the IRR monitoring

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My monitoring based on irr is important to me. I based on irr to decide on rebalancing.

I updated my portfolio less frequent now. So will update distribution together if any. Sometimes I stretched till one month just update portfolio.

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Apple to replace AT&T in Dow industrials on March 18
NEW YORK Fri Mar 6, 2015

(Reuters) - Apple Inc (AAPL.O), the largest U.S. company by market value, will join the Dow Jones Industrial Average .DJI on March 18, replacing AT&T Inc (T.N), S&P Dow Jones Indices said on Friday.
With a market capitalization of about $736 billion, Apple is the largest publicly traded company in the world. AT&T, by contrast, has a market value of $176.5 billion.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/06/...N0M21H020150306

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 6 2015, 10:23 PM)
Today ayam busy.

No need work ar?  Can guo shopping somemore
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ayam finish work at 11. haha brows.gif

wah KGF latest distribution very slow one ah.. not yet affect holding summary. sweat.gif

anyway, have fun with updating portfolio. wink.gif
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 6 2015, 10:45 PM)
My monitoring based on irr is important to me. I based on irr to decide on rebalancing.

I updated my portfolio less frequent now. So will update distribution together if any. Sometimes I stretched till one month just update portfolio.
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1) how much changes (ex, drop) in the IRR will you then do the top up?
2) how much % of NAV changes will trigger the top up call?
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QUOTE(JAIDK23 @ Mar 6 2015, 11:48 PM)
ayam finish work at 11. haha  brows.gif

wah KGF latest distribution very slow one ah.. not yet affect holding summary.  sweat.gif

anyway, have fun with updating portfolio.  wink.gif
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11AM??!

Yes FSM normally slow on this update. Public Mutual is as fast as flash for distribution update.. 😆

Not going to update my portfolio yet...


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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 6 2015, 11:53 PM)
hmm.gif from your experience in doing that.....just wondering
1) how much changes (ex, drop) in the IRR will you then do the top up?
2) how much % of NAV changes will trigger the top up call?
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For top up I am not really looking at irr. Coz long term ma.. Will top up periodically. If market down just top up more. If market goes up and it I'd time to top up, ma top up less.

Irr for now is my main reference for rebalancing to lock some profits. Not really on balancing % of market or equity : bond

Not sure if this is correct way or not... 😆

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 6 2015, 11:05 PM)
For top up I am not really looking at irr. Coz long term ma..  Will top up periodically.  If market down just top up more. If market goes up and it I'd time to top up,  ma top up less.

Irr for now is my main reference for rebalancing to lock some profits. Not really on balancing % of market or equity : bond

Not sure if this is correct way or not...  😆
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ok,..thanks for the response....

ok,...same question but on another sentence...
"Irr for now is my main reference for rebalancing to lock some profits."

from your experience in doing that.....just wondering
1) how much changes (ex, up) in the IRR will you then lock in profit?
2) how much % of NAV changes will trigger the lock in profit call?
3) how much % of the allocation will you "sell/switch" out? notworthy.gif
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ok,..thanks for the response....

ok,...same question but on another sentence...
"Irr for now is my main reference for rebalancing to lock some profits."

from your experience in doing that.....just wondering
1) how much changes (ex, up) in the IRR will you then lock in profit?
2) how much % of NAV changes will trigger the lock in profit call?
3) how much % of the allocation will you "sell/switch" out?  notworthy.gif
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I am flexible.. Don't put a fix number. It will depends on that particular time when I am doing it.

1/ when IRR above 20% after 2 years then will consider balance it by lock some profit.

2/ looking at irr ma. But if less than a year.. I may lock some profit when roi is above 40%

3/ this to be frank will depends where I move the money. Back to equity or bond or fix income. Each market could edition that time. I have no answer for now..



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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 6 2015, 11:35 PM)
I am flexible..  Don't put a fix number. It will depends on that particular time when I am doing it.

1/ when IRR above 20% after 2 years then will consider balance it by lock some profit.

2/ looking at irr ma.  But if less than a year..  I may lock some profit when roi is above 40%

3/ this to be frank will depends where I move the money. Back to equity or bond or fix income. Each market could edition that time. I have no answer for now..
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rclxms.gif thanks again for the response...

hmm.gif I thought I did recall someone in this forum did say...taking profit in stock market IS NOT the same as taking profit in funds......
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 7 2015, 12:44 AM)
rclxms.gif thanks again for the response...

hmm.gif I thought I did recall someone in this forum did say...taking profit in stock market IS NOT the same as taking profit in funds......
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I was just wondering if any funds have holdings in Apple. Turned out CIMB Global Titan largest holding happened to be in Apple standing at around 6%.

Not bad smile.gif

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11AM??!

Yes FSM normally slow on this update. Public Mutual is as fast as flash for distribution update.. 😆

Not going to update my portfolio yet...
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11AM??!

Yes FSM normally slow on this update. Public Mutual is as fast as flash for distribution update.. 😆

Not going to update my portfolio yet...
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11AM??!

Yes FSM normally slow on this update. Public Mutual is as fast as flash for distribution update.. 😆

Not going to update my portfolio yet...
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haha 11am if cincai wan.. if no play play, by 10.30am, ayam at home, open fsm thread alrdy. icon_rolleyes.gif

i think because our unit registered under iFAST Nominees Sdn. Bhd. So iFast take some time to holder(invest with cash) registered under them. nod.gif
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QUOTE(JAIDK23 @ Mar 7 2015, 03:00 AM)
haha 11am if cincai wan.. if no play play, by 10.30am, ayam at home, open fsm thread alrdy.  icon_rolleyes.gif

i think because our unit registered under iFAST Nominees Sdn. Bhd. So iFast take some time to holder(invest with cash) registered under them. nod.gif
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You work for your family member is it.  So early finish..
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Auditor. site visit & site meeting in the morning. icon_idea.gif
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morning  icon_rolleyes.gif

Family? I wish. Nah  shakehead.gif

Auditor. site visit & site meeting in the morning.  icon_idea.gif
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Wall Street did not like the better-than-expected jobs report fearing it could bring rate hikes sooner rather than later.
"You have to think that report makes the likelihood of a June rate increase somewhat higher,"
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/06/...N0M21AP20150306
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Ah...  Snaking
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crucial part is at the end of the month, submit report. haha

today got rally at sogo right? those ppl must hv nothing to do or family to spend with. hmm.gif
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Wall Street did not like the better-than-expected jobs report fearing it could bring rate hikes sooner rather than later.
"You have to think that report makes the likelihood of a June rate increase somewhat higher,"
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/06/...N0M21AP20150306
Blood on the Markets on Monday and the rest of the week(s)?
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we need xuzen's crystal ball to answer the last question kan..  brows.gif
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p/s If you look back at post #2503 of V8, my portfolio has zero exposure to Uncle Sam. Why?

If you are familiar with the Modern Portfolio Theory, then one will also be familiar with the Efficient Frontier (EF) concept. Risky Assets that are far away from the EF should be discarded in favour of those nearer to the EF.

As of the time of that writing, there are assets that are nearer to EF compared to Uncle Sam's.

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Mar 7 2015, 12:08 AM)
I was just wondering if any funds have holdings in Apple. Turned out CIMB Global Titan largest holding happened to be in Apple standing at around 6%.

Not bad smile.gif
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There are other funds in FSM holding Apple as well. For eg TA Global Technology Fund is holding 8% in Apple. This is a technology sector fund which holds 6.6% in Google and 6% in Microsoft.

IMHO, a good fund to consider investing in for a short term period of 2-3 years and not more than 10% of our portfolio. Cheers. smile.gif

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 7 2015, 09:04 AM)
Wall Street did not like the better-than-expected jobs report fearing it could bring rate hikes sooner rather than later.
"You have to think that report makes the likelihood of a June rate increase somewhat higher,"
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/06/...N0M21AP20150306
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news from our neighbor...EXPECTs almost similar result over here?.....be PREPARED!

Listed firms 2014 profits hit by oil slump....... 7 Mar 2015 at 12:23

Listed companies reported a 11.31% drop in their combined 2014 net profits to 701.59 billion baht on sales totalling 11.51 trillion baht, up 3.61% year-on-year. For the fourth quarter of 2014, their combined...

Net profits, however, fell 11.31% to 11.51 trillion baht, largely due to the shrinking net profits of energy, petrochemical and utility companies, which were hard hit by inventory losses in the wake of...
The most profitable sectors were: banking, information and communication technology, property development, food and beverages and insurance, he said.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/business/financ...it-by-oil-slump

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Next time anyone ask anything about distribution, NAV price drop (is it a good time to top up?) etc I just gonna reply with a big big big

PLEASE READ POST #1 THOROUGHLY

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Called FMS few days ago. according to them, when gst comes in, the sales charge will be revised to 2% + 0.12% (6% on the existing sales charge of 2%).

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Called FMS few days ago. according to them, when gst comes in, the sales charge will be revised to 2% + 0.12% (6% on the existing sales charge of 2%).
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QUOTE(prince_mk98 @ Mar 7 2015, 04:03 PM)
Called FMS few days ago. according to them, when gst comes in, the sales charge will be revised to 2% + 0.12% (6% on the existing sales charge of 2%).
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2.12% ohmy.gif gomen profit, investor incur extra cost icon_idea.gif
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2.12%  ohmy.gif  gomen profit, investor incur extra cost  icon_idea.gif
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hmm.gif if all 2.12% go to gomen profit.....FSM no earn?
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hmm.gif if all 2.12% go to gomen profit.....FSM no earn?
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2% goes to FSM

0.12% goes to gomen after GST.. Currently Zero for gomen.. so after tis gomen profit (get 0.12%) icon_idea.gif
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2% goes to FSM

0.12% goes to gomen after GST.. Currently Zero for gomen.. so after tis gomen profit (get 0.12%)  icon_idea.gif
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yes..you are right...0.12% to gomen....
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2% goes to FSM

0.12% goes to gomen after GST.. Currently Zero for gomen.. so after tis gomen profit (get 0.12%)  icon_idea.gif
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rclxms.gif this is as per mind understanding too.
that means what was posted as
"2.12% ohmy.gif gomen profit, investor incur extra cost icon_idea.gif " is a not right...should be gomen profit 0.12% tongue.gif
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just wake up and got this BAD noise.... doh.gif

Foreign banks tighten lending rules for China state-backed companies Published on Mar 8, 2015 -

SHANGHAI/HONG KONG (Reuters) - Some banks are adopting stricter lending criteria for China's state-owned enterprises (SOEs), demanding collateral from some companies they used to deem as safe as government debt, as Beijing tries to reform its bloated firms and the economy slows.

Such changes in policy suggest some foreign banks are preparing for a rise in defaults in the world's second-largest economy, which is growing at its slowest pace in a quarter of a century and where the government is trying to make the state sector more efficient. - See more at: http://www.straitstimes.com/news/business/...h.9xNIX9jH.dpuf

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Ponzi 2.0 got 35% in HK/CN
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just wake up and got this BAD noise.... doh.gif
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rclxms.gif this is as per mind understanding too.
that means what was posted as
"2.12%  ohmy.gif  gomen profit, investor incur extra cost  icon_idea.gif " is a not right...should be gomen profit 0.12%  tongue.gif
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Good day everybody.. Have a great week ahead.
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Just sold few funds days ago... Now looking for fund shopping day ahead.
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btw, what made you sold a few funds days ago?.... hmm.gif example,...why not last month?
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rclxms.gif you are so lucky.....  hmm.gif
btw, what made you sold a few funds days ago?.... hmm.gif example,...why not last month?
crystal balls at home?  brows.gif  thumbup.gif
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Despite downbeat forecasts on the economy leave your portfolio on the table...Monday, 9 March 2015
.....After all, it’s always about “RTM” – “Reversion To Mean” which means that anything that moves up or down will eventually revert to the long-term historical average return.
So, leave your portfolio on the table. It’s more harmful when you move them in and out with the maddening crowds. The conclusion is that volatility is never non-existent in any year and certainly 2015 won’t be an exception.
http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...owds/?style=biz
hmm.gif or "cabut" now and come back to fight another day? hmm.gif

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Ringgit slides to 6-year low

The ringgit depreciated 0.9 percent, the most in two weeks, to 3.6840 a dollar as of 10 a.m. in Kuala Lumpur, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. It sank as low as 3.6908.

URL: http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/r...ts-us-rate-rise
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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 9 2015, 12:00 PM)
Ringgit slides to 6-year low

The ringgit depreciated 0.9 percent, the most in two weeks, to 3.6840 a dollar as of 10 a.m. in Kuala Lumpur, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. It sank as low as 3.6908.

URL: http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/r...ts-us-rate-rise
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eh u heavy in bolehland? hmm.gif
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Not good for my current job!
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Bolehland about 50 - 60% of my portfolio...  cry.gif
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My Sexy fund is getting sexier!

I know Woonsc and myself got it, who else got it?

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Asian markets slide, but at the same time ringgit also drops.
Is it a good time to buy?
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Asian markets slide, but at the same time ringgit also drops.
Is it a good time to buy?
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Ringgit drop means offshore assets will become more expensive

Market slide + Ringgit slide = zero/reduced effect lo doh.gif
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My Sexy fund is getting sexier!

I know Woonsc and myself got it, who else got it?

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Want to ask all SIFUs..do u all declare the dividents for FSM kah..
if dclare we get any rebates kah, since all dividents already paid income tax
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Mar 9 2015, 02:02 PM)
saya ada... at 6% of my UT portfolio. joined the party a bit late in january.
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it is 40% of my equity port. my CNY angpow! rclxm9.gif

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it is 40% of my equity port. my CNY angpow!  rclxm9.gif

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p/s If your next question is to ask me how I predict wan? I really really have a crystal ball at home!
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malaysia market sink meaning existing hurt abit but good for those ppl who just wanna go in and invest?
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 9 2015, 02:25 PM)
it is 40% of my equity port. my CNY angpow!  rclxm9.gif

xuzen

p/s If your next question is to ask me how I predict wan? I really really have a crystal ball at home!
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no offence, if you predicted this back in june 2014, then i really think you have a crystal ball. else... nah...
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no offence, if you predicted this back in june 2014, then i really think you have a crystal ball. else... nah...
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None taken. In July 2014 I was still madly, deeply in love with Ms Lee Sook Yee wub.gif fund.

My crystal ball only started to pay attention to Ms Sexy in Nov 2014.

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Tak faham hmm.gif

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None taken. In July 2014 I was still madly, deeply in love with Ms Lee Sook Yee  wub.gif fund.

My crystal ball only started to pay attention to Ms Sexy in Nov 2014.

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Ms Sexy? apa tu?
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ECB QE vs Strong US Job Data

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Sensex la tu.
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Me sales ma... sell in USD

Customer will drag payment! Drag PO! Drag projects! How?! I ma teruk this year!!!
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Lee Sook Yee = KGF
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Ringgit drop means offshore assets will become more expensive

Market slide + Ringgit slide = zero/reduced effect lo doh.gif
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If don't buy now, ringgit may go down further  unsure.gif
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Malaysia’s falling international reserves in the last four months may lead to financial crisis if Bank Negara Malaysia (BNM) does not implement adequate measures, according to think tank Institut Rakyat.

Malaysia Foreign Exchange Reserves

Foreign Exchange Reserves in Malaysia decreased to 111679.90 USD Million in January of 2015 from 116978.20 USD Million in December of 2014. Foreign Exchange Reserves in Malaysia averaged 81698.29 USD Million from 1997 until 2015, reaching an all time high of 155165.30 USD Million in August of 2011 and a record low of 20234.20 USD Million in August of 1998. Foreign Exchange Reserves in Malaysia is reported by the Central Bank of Malaysia.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/malaysia/f...change-reserves

what is the implication of a falling foreign exchange reserves?
why suddenly fell so steep?
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doh.gif European shares fall as ECB starts buying bonds....Mon Mar 9, 2015

PARIS, March 9 (Reuters) - European shares fell on Monday with investors booking recent lofty gains as the European Central Bank begins its programme of bond purchases, aimed at boosting inflation and growth.

The market has strongly rallied since the start of the year, with the FTSEurofirst 300 surging 14 percent in the run-up to the start of the ECB's quantitative easing programme, under which it will buy 60 billion euros a month of bonds.

"It's 'buy the rumour, sell the news'. European stocks have jumped 15 percent since the start of the year and the positive impact from QE has broadly been priced in by now," Saxo Bank trader Pierre Martin said.

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QUOTE(adamdacutie @ Mar 9 2015, 03:35 PM)
rclxms.gif

ECB QE vs Strong US Job Data

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guess the markets are at times irrational...

European shares fall as ECB starts buying bonds....Mon Mar 9, 2015

PARIS, March 9 (Reuters) - European shares fell on Monday with investors booking recent lofty gains as the European Central Bank begins its programme of bond purchases, aimed at boosting inflation and growth.

The drop in European stocks on Monday mirrored a sell-off on Wall Street on Friday, where strong U.S. jobs data fanned expectations that the Federal Reserve may raise interest rates sooner than previously thought.

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QUOTE(adamdacutie @ Mar 9 2015, 03:37 PM)
India rocks smile.gif  smile.gif  rclxms.gif
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hmm.gif I maybe seriously wrong...but M.O.M comparison.....seems like the ROI is slowing down a lot...or is it just a 1 month incident?...have to monitor again....

data from here....monthly mkt update - india

https://www.fundsupermart.co.in/main/articl...March_iFAST.pdf

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guess the markets are at times irrational...

European shares fall as ECB starts buying bonds....Mon Mar 9, 2015

PARIS, March 9 (Reuters) - European shares fell on Monday with investors booking recent lofty gains as the European Central Bank begins its programme of bond purchases, aimed at boosting inflation and growth.

The drop in European stocks on Monday mirrored a sell-off on Wall Street on Friday, where strong U.S. jobs data fanned expectations that the Federal Reserve may raise interest rates sooner than previously thought.

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guess the markets are at times irrational...
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Actually, it is quite rational, according to the type of market participant.

Shorter term participants (traders, speculators) are focussed on market expectations. If they expect interest rate rises, which is bad, they react accordingly.

Longer term participants (investors) focus on economic growth. If jobs growth point to a stronger economy in the longer term, now is a good time to invest.



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My Sexy fund is getting sexier!

I know Woonsc and myself got it, who else got it?

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I have around 15% allocation, not much haha. Regret not buying more in dec laugh.gif
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Portfolio going down again these few days...
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Portfolio going down again these few days...
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Or maybe its a good time to topup  rolleyes.gif  laugh.gif
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Rational Man Versus Psychological Realities....
In this update, Henderson's Chief Economist, Dr Shane Oliver explores how investor psychology influences equity markets. ....Author : Dr Shane Oliver

IMPLICATIONS FOR INVESTORS

The influence of investor psychology on investment markets has several implications. The first is to recognise that markets are not just driven by fundamentals, but also by the irrational expectations and erratic behaviour of millions of investors. But investors also need to recognise that not only are investment markets highly unstable but they can also be highly seductive. The trick here is to be at least aware of past booms and busts, such that when they arise in the future you do not overreact. This is the best defence against Mr Market?s seductive tricks.

Secondly, investors need to recognise their own analytical and emotional capabilities ? in other words be aware of how they are influenced by the lapses of logic and crowd influences noted above.

The third is for investors to choose a strategy which is able to withstand inevitable crises and yet remain consistent with their financial objectives and risk tolerance.

The fourth is to essentially stick to this broad strategy even when surging prices / plunging values might tempt a change.

Finally, if investors are tempted to trade ? they should do so on a contrarian basis. Buy when the crowd is bearish, sell when it is bullish. Extremes of bullishness often signal market tops, whereas extremes of bearishness often signal market bottoms. Contrarian investing though is not fool proof ? just because the crowd looks irrationally bullish (or bearish) does not mean that it cannot get more bullish or bearish, taking the price up (or down) further.

https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/resea...?articleNo=1089

Making Money From Investors' Irrational Behaviour
Behavioural finance is the study of how emotions affect our decisions to invest
HOW A BEHAVIOURAL FINANCE FUND WORKS

According to Douglas, the predictable yet irrational behaviour of investors causes mispricing of securities on the stock market. This then presents an opportunity for profit. He claims that asset managers are in a position to exploit this opportunity if they know exactly when to jump in and buy a stock. The goal of the behavioural finance fund is to buy low and sell high.

The Behavioural Finance investment strategy is complex. Ho explains that he measures certain indicators like whether a stock is undervalued, or if investors may have overreacted. He also takes into account longer term trends of a company. This information is processed by a computer software which then selects 60 stocks out of a much larger pool of stocks. These pickings form the fund's holdings. The process is repeated every month. Those stocks that are not on the list, but are still in the fund's holdings are sold off.
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doh.gif wow,..pening-lah.... rclxub.gif well, just leave it to the FMs....shut off the news reports....come back months later...may vmad.gif and ask WTF...how come my portfolio dropped so much!!! tongue.gif.
..well that is predictable behavior but irrational because if make profit did not say thank you to the FMs.. biggrin.gif

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well, just leave it to the FMs....shut off the news reports....
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Er, no you can't, ie not just leave to the FM. You need to include the following as well:

Step 1. Decide on the broader market/segment/sector the fund is invested in.

Step 2. Decide on how your selected Fund Manager is performing in relation to other managers in Step 1.

DCA/VCA or any systematic system doesn't help either, because it doesn't distinguish between a good or a bad fund.



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QUOTE(howszat @ Mar 9 2015, 09:51 PM)
Er, no you can't, ie not just leave to the FM. You need to include the following as well:

Step 1. Decide on the broader market/segment/sector the fund is invested in.

Step 2. Decide on how your selected Fund Manager is performing in relation to other managers in Step 1.

DCA/VCA or any systematic system doesn't help either, because it doesn't distinguish between a good or a bad fund.
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in step 1...if the big brother US dropped...I think ALL also kena.....
step 2...ok
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 9 2015, 09:56 PM)
in step 1...if the big brother US dropped...I think ALL also kena.....
step 2...ok
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Sure, have some input, which is what I was getting at. Rather than leaving it entirely to the FM, and "hope for the best".

BTW, US indices look green at the moment.
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QUOTE(howszat @ Mar 9 2015, 10:06 PM)
Sure, have some input, which is what I was getting at. Rather than leaving it entirely to the FM, and "hope for the best".

BTW, US indices look green at the moment.
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i would still leave it to the FMs and hoped for the best...AFTER I had set up a diversified portfolio at the ratio that I am comfortable at, with the monies that can left untouched for a few years.....occasionally review to see how the FMs are doing.....Change if like what you mentioned in step 2...

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 9 2015, 10:15 PM)
i would still leave it to the FMs and hoped for the best...AFTER I had set up a diversified portfolio at the ratio that I am comfortable at, with the monies that can left untouched for a few years.....occasionally review to see how the FMs are doing.....Change if like what you mentioned in step 2...
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Ah, but if you review and change, you are not leaving it entirely to the FM. The question is how frequent.

If you didn't do anything for 10 or more years, say, that's a different story.



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QUOTE(howszat @ Mar 9 2015, 10:22 PM)
Ah, but if you review and change, you are not leaving it entirely to the FM. The question is how frequent.

If you didn't do anything for 10 or more years, say, that's a different story.
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hmm.gif If leave for 10 or more years...
could be too old/dead,
the % of allocations also needs to change to reflect the changing needs before that time come
I would say review after 3~5 yrs (subjective)

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QUOTE(howszat @ Mar 9 2015, 09:08 PM)
Actually, it is quite rational, according to the type of market participant.

Shorter term participants (traders, speculators) are focussed on market expectations. If they expect interest rate rises, which is bad, they react accordingly.

Longer term participants (investors) focus on economic growth. If jobs growth point to a stronger economy in the longer term, now is a good time to invest.
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hmm.gif is that "the predictable yet irrational behaviour of investors"?
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 9 2015, 10:30 PM)
hmm.gif I leave for 10 or more years...
could be too old/dead,
the % of allocations also needs to change to reflect the changing needs before that time come
I would say review after 3~5 yrs (subjective)
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We may a terminology problem here, because it you review after 3-5 years, you are not exactly leaving for 10 years.

But anyway, I'm not here to discuss your personal circumstances - I'm simply pointing out alternative viewpoints that readers can decide for themselves.

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QUOTE(howszat @ Mar 9 2015, 10:35 PM)
....... I'm simply pointing out alternative viewpoints that readers can decide for themselves.
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QUOTE(T231H @ Mar 9 2015, 10:33 PM)
hmm.gif is that "the predictable yet irrational behaviour of investors"?
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Because there is no such thing as a typical "investor". There is a large pool of investors with quite different objectives. Some are short-term traders, others are long term investors. Their objectives are not the same.

So the question is whether the majority shares your opinion in which case they are rational. If they don't, you would probably call them irrational, and they could call you the same.

One approach could be this: "Be Fearful When Others Are Greedy and Greedy When Others Are Fearful'. Buffet, of course. You decide.
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good morning.

been through 18pages of this thread while waiting for FA cup QF. Mufc v Arsenal.

should rename this thread.. "LYN Official Fundsupermart.com" v9 . cheers.gif
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QUOTE(howszat @ Mar 9 2015, 10:55 PM)
......One approach could be this: "Be Fearful When Others Are Greedy and Greedy When Others Are Fearful'. Buffet, of course. You decide.
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hmm.gif isn't that contrarian investing or value investing?
UT fund investors allocate to appropriate sector/region to diversify and add/top up to a certain level when they think got value...then up to FMs to do the others.
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should rename this thread.. "LYN Official Fundsupermart.com" v9 . cheers.gif
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Why? got another or other similar one in lyn?
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Ah, but if you review and change, you are not leaving it entirely to the FM. The question is how frequent.

If you didn't do anything for 10 or more years, say, that's a different story.
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have to leave it entirely to the FMs...cannot tell them where and how much to go in. we can only control what is %allocated in the portfolio..that % too are always changing if you see their monthly report.
review and change if the intended allocation are misplace out of our comfort % or that the purchased funds are below par among its peers or that personal preference or needs changes.
how frequent to review?...very subjective....at least once a year (minimum)?
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EUR hits 11.5 years low against USD

In later morning London deals, the euro recovered slightly to stand at $1.0876, up from $1.0842 late in New York on Friday.

URL: http://www.nst.com.my/node/75646
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EUR hits 11.5 years low against USD

In later morning London deals, the euro recovered slightly to stand at $1.0876, up from $1.0842 late in New York on Friday.

URL: http://www.nst.com.my/node/75646
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Buy European equities now? brows.gif
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Buy European equities now? brows.gif
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rclxms.gif wow just look at the % of PE discounts.....

Is this discount justified?
There are obvious reasons markets are cautious in the short term, with recent uncertainty focused on
the Swiss franc and the future of Greece in the single currency. Value investing, however, requires a
longer term horizon and investors need to judge companies on their underlying qualities rather than
current market views.
On this basis many euroland companies look to be underpriced. By removing
sentiment – which frequently sees investors overreact to good and bad news - and following a
disciplined process based on analysis of meaningful measures, we currently see particularly attractive
stock picking opportunities.


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EUR hits 11.5 years low against USD

In later morning London deals, the euro recovered slightly to stand at $1.0876, up from $1.0842 late in New York on Friday.

URL: http://www.nst.com.my/node/75646
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Sigh! Not good for me la wei...
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Take advantage of Euro which close to 2-year low against Ringgit...top up Euro-heavy Aberdeen Islamic World Equity
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pink if a fund that say "The target return of the Fund over a 3 years rolling period is an annualised return of 8% to 10% per annum."

if on year 1 the fund make 30%pa, 2nd and 3rd year the fund make 0%pa....does it mean the fund achieved target?
what does rolling period means?
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pink if a fund that say "The target return of the Fund over a 3 years rolling period is an annualised return of 8% to 10% per annum."

if on year 1 the fund make 30%pa, 2nd and 3rd year the fund make 0%pa....does it mean the fund achieved target?
what does rolling period means?
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Yes.

Basically it means that the fund manager can sell all holdings and park in cash and go for holiday already for year 2 and 3. laugh.gif

Rolling period means...

Jan 2011 to Dec 2013...3 year period
Feb 2011 to Jan 2014...3 year period
Mar 2011 to Feb 2014...3 year period
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Yes.
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rclxms.gif thanks for input...
saw that on one of hwang's fund.....wondering what will happens if they 'MISSED the target? blink.gif
will they say..."didn't you read the prospectus about the possible risks before signing up?"... mad.gif
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rclxms.gif thanks for input...
saw that on one of hwang's fund.....wondering what will happens if they 'MISSED the target? blink.gif
will they say..."didn't you read the prospectus about the possible risks before signing up?"... mad.gif
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Take advantage of Euro which close to 2-year low against Ringgit...top up Euro-heavy Aberdeen Islamic World Equity
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Take advantage of Euro which close to 2-year low against Ringgit...top up Euro-heavy Aberdeen Islamic World Equity
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first glance, agree...

then i realised... actual exposure to euro-denominated equities is probably about a quarter. the bulk being swiss and uk, is not euro-denominated. so... maybe not as significant? just discussing, i still like this fund...

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first glance, agree...

then i realised... actual exposure to euro-denominated equities is probably about a quarter. the bulk being swiss and uk, is not euro-denominated. so... maybe not as significant? just discussing, i still like this fund...
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Ponzi 2.0
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top up

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Ponzi 2.0
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 10 2015, 04:45 PM)
KGF - 1000
Ponzi 1.0 - 2000
Ponzi 2.0 - 2000
Aberdeen - 2000

Kaya kaya...  biggrin.gif  tongue.gif
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KGF almost betul. left 0 at the back

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KGF almost betul. left 0 at the back

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Manulife India Equity Fund  brows.gif  icon_idea.gif
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Ponzi 1.0 is what ah? I know ponzi 2 is CIMB principal asia dynamic income fund right?
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Ponzi 1.0 ---> Affin Hwang Select Asia (Ex Japan) Quantum Fund
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Bloody in US..
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Ponzi 1.0 ---> Affin Hwang Select Asia (Ex Japan) Quantum Fund
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Looks like only the beginning of a fall for US and Europe.
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Promotion: The Edge-Lipper Malaysia Fund Awards 2015

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Promotion: The Edge-Lipper Malaysia Fund Awards 2015

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11 March 2015 to 20 March 2015. flex.gif
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Anyone holding Manulife Investment - China Value Fund? Thinking to buy this fund  unsure.gif
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Why don't consider CIMB-Principal Greater China Equity Fund?

URL: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=5576
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Why don't consider CIMB-Principal Greater China Equity Fund?

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Because want to take advantage of the 0% SC for staff/family members. hmm.gif
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Because want to take advantage of the 0% SC for staff/family members.  hmm.gif
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got this fund in FSM?
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11 March 2015 to 20 March 2015.  flex.gif
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Means?
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he's either fsm's staff or eunittrust's staff  brows.gif
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on a funny note... My IRR for RHB Asian Total Return Fund is 70%... tongue.gif

and KGF distribution still not in yet. affecting my calculation... shakehead.gif

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Anyone holding Manulife Investment - China Value Fund? Thinking to buy this fund  unsure.gif
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CIMB-Principle China-India Dyamic Growth > CIMB-Principle China-India-Indonesia Equity > Manulife China Value.

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aiya just top up ponzi 2.0 yesterday , now sc 1% ... tumbuk pelusuk hati .... Top up Lagi !

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aiya just top up ponzi 2.0 yesterday , now sc 1% ... tumbuk pelusuk hati .... Top up Lagi !
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CIMB-Principle China-India Dyamic Growth > CIMB-Principle China-India-Indonesia Equity > Manulife China Value.

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Isn't it RHB OSK ?
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Is Abeerdeen Islamic fund getting smaller in fund size Pink Spider? Any alternative better bigger Europe fund?
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Hi guys, does my portfolio good?

eastspring dana al ilham
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any comments?
goon topup al ilham as sc is 1% =)
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Hi guys, does my portfolio good?

eastspring dana al ilham
aberdeen islamic world equity
pheim asia ex-japan islamic

any comments?
goon topup al ilham as sc is 1% =)
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notworthy.gif could you please provide the allocation % or ratio?
ex..EI 95%, Aber 2%, Pheim 3%...
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he's either fsm's staff or eunittrust's staff  brows.gif
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Ooooo... your fren guy or gal? Handsome? Cantik? Seksi? Metroseksual? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Woopy_901 @ Mar 11 2015, 03:39 PM)
Hi guys, does my portfolio good?

eastspring dana al ilham
aberdeen islamic world equity
pheim asia ex-japan islamic

any comments?
goon topup al ilham as sc is 1% =)
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I don't like Pheim Asia ex-japan, the Malaysia holding is quite high and the performance been lacklustre recently. Sold-ed

But then, I don't have recommendation for you as replacement if your requirement is a shariah compliant asia pac fund
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Ooooo... your fren guy or gal? Handsome? Cantik? Seksi? Metroseksual? tongue.gif
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not my fren. im just guessing. biggrin.gif

infernoaswen said want to take advantage of the 0% SC for staff/family members when buy into 'Manulife Investment - China Value Fund'
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icon_question.gif this just came to my mind.....
not sure if this is a GOOD idea or if it is a good choice or plan.

thinking of setting up a portfolio for my sons education/some startup monies after school (if they cannot continue higher education)
duration is about 15 yrs
1st 10 yrs would be "buy and forget about it"
review after 10 yrs because of need to relocate assets/funds because left 5 yrs time frame.

I was thinking since "buy and forget"...I don't not think stock mkt a good option? b'cos if there is any rumours or any irregularies...no one is there to monitor or to sell the shares...

if UT funds....at least got FMs to monitor...(assumed to have monitor)

was thinking of (based on past performance)

Ponzi 2.0 30% (less M'sia than Ponzi 1.0)
CIMB Titan 20 %
KGF 20%
EISC 20 %
EI GEM 10%

any suggestion/comments?

already have SSPN for tax purposes.

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icon_question.gif this just came to my mind.....
not sure if this is a GOOD idea or if it is a good choice or plan.

thinking of setting up a portfolio for my sons education/some startup monies after school (if they cannot continue higher education)
duration is about 15 yrs
1st 10 yrs would be "buy and forget about it"
review after 10 yrs because of need to relocate assets/funds because left 5 yrs time frame.

I was thinking since "buy and forget"...is stock mkt a good option? b'cos if there is any rumours or any irregularies...no want to sell the shares...

if UT funds....at least got FMs to monitor...(assumed to have monitor)

was thinking of (based on past performance)

KGF 30%
EI 50%
Ponzi 2.0 (less M'sia than Ponzi 1.0) 20%

any suggestion/comments?

already have SSPN for tax purposes.
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QUOTE(JAIDK23 @ Mar 11 2015, 08:13 PM)
EI - eastspring dana al ilham?
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Thanks, David.

Looking at the AmFund. Fund size 300+ million. Sector allocation seems okay.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 11 2015, 06:05 PM)
icon_question.gif this just came to my mind.....
not sure if this is a GOOD idea or if it is a good choice or plan.

thinking of setting up a portfolio for my sons education/some startup monies after school (if they cannot continue higher education)
duration is about 15 yrs
1st 10 yrs would be "buy and forget about it"
review after 10 yrs because of need to relocate assets/funds because left 5 yrs time frame.

I was thinking since "buy and forget"...I don't not think stock mkt a good option? b'cos if there is any rumours or any irregularies...no one is there to monitor or to sell the shares...

if UT funds....at least got FMs to monitor...(assumed to have monitor)

was thinking of (based on past performance)

KGF 30%
EI SC 50%
Ponzi 2.0 (less M'sia than Ponzi 1.0) 20%

any suggestion/comments?

already have SSPN for tax purposes.
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Uncle y not

Ponzi 2.0 30%
CIMB Titan 20 %
KGF 20%
EISC 20 %
Emerging Bond Fund 10%

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QUOTE(adamdacutie @ Mar 11 2015, 09:29 PM)
Uncle y not

Ponzi 2.0 30%
CIMB Titan 20 %
KGF 20%
EISC 20 %
Emerging Bond Fund 10%
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bond?....at 10% not effective as counterbalance....if more %...not efficient for long terms investment.

GTF... hmm.gif can consider...


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bond?....at 10% not effective as counterbalance....if more %...not efficient for long terms investment.

GTF... hmm.gif  can consider...
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MUST have a bit exposure to Developed Markets
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OK assuming now the portfolio is
Ponzi 2.0 30%
CIMB Titan 20 %
KGF 20%
EISC 30 %

assuming all other t&c is the same...

any other suggestion/comments?
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 11 2015, 08:34 PM)
OK assuming now the portfolio is
Ponzi 2.0 30%
CIMB Titan 20 %
KGF 20%
EISC 30 %

assuming all other t&c is the same...

any other suggestion/comments?
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how bout adding 10% Global emerging equity ?
reducing EISC to 20%

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how bout adding 10% Global emerging equity ?
reducing EISC to 20%
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Small cap don't too heavy lar...
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EURO stocks rebound ...

Volatility in market just getting more exciting tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 11 2015, 10:10 PM)
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Is anyone putting money on Japan ?
Been thinking bout
RHB-OSK ENTREPRENEUR FUND
AH Jap Growth Fund
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Words? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(adamdacutie @ Mar 11 2015, 10:13 PM)
EURO stocks rebound ...

Volatility in market just getting more exciting tongue.gif
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QUOTE(adamdacutie @ Mar 11 2015, 10:08 PM)
how bout adding 10% Global emerging equity ?
reducing EISC to 20%
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hmm.gif only hv 2 choices in FSM
AmGlobal Emerging Mkts Opportunity is having a portfolio allocation that I liked but performance records not convincing
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...eetMYAMGEMO.pdf
the other one EI GEM, portfolio having to many "little, little % on too many countries
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...eetMYPRUGEM.pdf

good for "ROI efficient" for long term ? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 11 2015, 08:52 PM)
hmm.gif only hv 2 choices in FSM
AmGlobal Emerging Mkts Opportunity is having a portfolio allocation that I liked but performance records not convincing
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...eetMYAMGEMO.pdf
the other one EI GEM, portfolio having to many "little, little % on too many countries
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...eetMYPRUGEM.pdf

good for "ROI efficient" for long term ?  hmm.gif
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Cheapest bargain currently in emerging markets ... EI GEM will be my choice , 10 % will be a fair allocation...
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QUOTE(adamdacutie @ Mar 11 2015, 10:18 PM)
Is anyone putting money on Japan ?
Been thinking bout
RHB-OSK ENTREPRENEUR FUND 
AH Jap Growth Fund
........

Words? hmm.gif
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just saw this today...
Aberdeen: Is Abenomics Working?

http://www.fundsupermart.com.hk/hk/main/re...?articleNo=9454

I got AH Jpn Growth 2 months back.....ROI >5%. just hope it continue
fyi,...launch 3 Mar 2014 till now >22%
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QUOTE(adamdacutie @ Mar 11 2015, 10:26 PM)
Cheapest bargain currently in emerging markets ... EI GEM will be my choice , 10 % will be a fair allocation...
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thumbup.gif ok that is the que.
10%...yes...not that much

OK assuming now the portfolio is
Ponzi 2.0 30%
CIMB Titan 20 %
KGF 20%
EISC 20 %
EI GEM 10%

assuming all other t&c is the same...as in post#425, page 22

any other suggestion/comments?

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 11 2015, 09:01 PM)
thumbup.gif ok  that is the que.
10%...yes...not that much

OK assuming now the portfolio is
Ponzi 2.0 30%
CIMB Titan 20 %
KGF 20%
EISC 20 %
EI GEM 10%

assuming all other t&c is the same...as in post#425, page 22

any other suggestion/comments?
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 11 2015, 10:31 PM)
thumbup.gif ok  that is the que.
10%...yes...not that much

OK assuming now the portfolio is
Ponzi 2.0 30%
CIMB Titan 20 %
KGF 20%
EISC 20 %
EI GEM 10%

assuming all other t&c is the same...as in post#425, page 22

any other suggestion/comments?
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er.. erm.. I've got a small girl and a toddler boy now, thus, in 10 to 18 years, Uni days for them too.

personally, i'm NOT separating my funds into specific portfolios for them.
"All is 1, 1 is all" kind of thing but as i approach:
my girl's
+/-16th birthday, i'll be moving 1/6 of the $ needed into bond funds & FD (not part of investment Asset Allocation)
+/-17th birthday, i'll be having 2/6 of the $ needed into bond funds & FD
+/-18th birthday, i'll be having 3/6 of the $ needed into bond funds & FD
- A levels year start & i have 50% of total needed $ (A level to 4th year) in low volatile instruments

+/-19th birthday, i'll be having 3/6 of the $ needed into bond funds & FD - 1st year
+/-20th birthday, i'll be having 4/6 of the $ needed into bond funds & FD - 2nd year
+/-21st birthday, i'll be having 5/6 of the $ needed into bond funds & FD - 3rd year
+/-22nd birthday, i'll be having 6/6 of the $ needed into bond funds & FD - 4th year (Hons)

Thus, while she studies, the $ is still growing BUT if big crash 50% like 2008-2009, my investment asset allocation in Fixed Income can also cover.
Notes:
1. my investment asset allocation's Fixed Income is 1/3 (i let it run +/- 6% before forced reallocation)
2. my emergency (living when retired) funds is planned to be about 2-3 years' living expenses AND is not part of my investment asset allocation.
3. main reason i'm not separating is HOLISTIC view/control
main reason why my emergency fund is thus is so that i can ride out crashes without "selling to eat", statistically 1 to 2 years, most crashes recover.


Rinse & repeat for my little boy's turn smile.gif

Looks logical but.. let's poke holes ya, thus i can learn & improve as well.

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Some people move funds to 1/percentage of funds as per some pre-determined 1/fraction, as per some "my girl's" requirements.

Real life doesn't work like that.

By the time she gets to 16, if/when, you may not like her, or she may not like you, and live in some far place away from you.

Such calculations makes too many assumptions, which may not turn out how you like it to be.

Let's stick to investment considerations, the fundamentals of investments, QE, interest rates, etc, and not personal-circumstances planning.


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Some folks miss the personal in personal financial planning, thus considers only things that even economists can't predict nor understand 100% (it's call dismal science for a reason). tongue.gif

read something funny - it's NOT the economy that's the problem, it's YOUR economy that matters

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Mar 11 2015, 11:08 PM)
Some folks miss the personal in personal financial planning, thus considers only things that even economists can't predict nor understand 100% (it's call dismal science for a reason). tongue.gif

read something funny - it's NOT the economy that's the problem, it's YOUR economy that matters
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No, wrong.

This FSM thread is not about personal circumstances, and your project financial planning for your girl,.

Stop arguing, you are in the wrong thread.

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Mar 11 2015, 10:48 PM)
er.. erm.. I've got a small girl and a toddler boy now, thus, in 10 to 18 years, Uni days for them too.

personally, i'm NOT separating my funds into specific portfolios for them.
"All is 1, 1 is all" kind of thing but as i approach:
my girl's
+/-16th birthday, i'll be moving 1/6 of the $ needed into bond funds & FD (not part of investment Asset Allocation)
+/-17th birthday, i'll be having 2/6 of the $ needed into bond funds & FD
+/-18th birthday, i'll be having 3/6 of the $ needed into bond funds & FD
- A levels year start & i have 50% of total needed $ (A level to 4th year) in low volatile instruments

+/-19th birthday, i'll be having 3/6 of the $ needed into bond funds & FD - 1st year
+/-20th birthday, i'll be having 4/6 of the $ needed into bond funds & FD - 2nd year
+/-21st birthday, i'll be having 5/6 of the $ needed into bond funds & FD - 3rd year
+/-22nd birthday, i'll be having 6/6 of the $ needed into bond funds & FD - 4th year (Hons)

Thus, while she studies, the $ is still growing BUT if big crash 50% like 2008-2009, my investment asset allocation in Fixed Income can also cover.
Notes:
1. my investment asset allocation's Fixed Income is 1/3 (i let it run +/- 6% before forced reallocation)
2. my emergency (living when retired) funds is planned to be about 2-3 years' living expenses AND is not part of my investment asset allocation.
3. main reason i'm not separating is HOLISTIC view/control
main reason why my emergency fund is thus is so that i can ride out crashes without "selling to eat", statistically 1 to 2 years, most crashes recover.
Rinse & repeat for my little boy's turn smile.gif

Looks logical but.. let's poke holes ya, thus i can learn & improve as well.
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rclxms.gif almost same same yer...me got 2 boy boy.
I am trying to separate mine and theirs so that I hope I would not be distracted by too much/little equities in the portfolio due to age and fear factor or the urge to change when got BAD noises.
trying to put aside and built some sort of education funds without going to HLA-ha-ha.

so when your child is < 15yrs....still under your 1 only portfolio...after 16 yrs old then start to allocate some to them?.
will have to study your allocation of after 16 yrs as mine still hv 10 yrs to that.
currently still have another headache coming....the apartment that we are living has started to show signs of aging...especially on the lifts....wondering how long it can last....had been in the Mgmt committee and realized how much the MC has and how much it needs to replace the 2 lifts.....1/2 mil...definitely NOT possible to replace.......therefore a new apartment would be in the plan too. hopefully can happens BEFORE the lifts stopped working and affect the resale price.

so after setting the edu portfolio,,,will then plan the rebuilt a new portfolio from "0" base...(hopefully it wont happens)

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QUOTE(howszat @ Mar 11 2015, 11:13 PM)
No, wrong.

This FSM thread is not about personal circumstances, and your project financial planning for your girl,.

Stop arguing, you are in the wrong thread.
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eh - i'm not arguing wor, especially with idiots.
i replied or arguing with who ar?
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eh - i'm not arguing wor, especially with idiots.
i replied or arguing with who ar?
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Mar 11 2015, 11:15 PM)
eh - i'm not arguing wor, especially with idiots.
i replied or arguing with who ar?
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You don't understand that your kids planning is not relevent to FSM thread?
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You don't understand that your kids planning is not relevent to FSM thread?
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Really? irrelevant to U perhaps yes.
But er.. i was replying to YKLooi that has similar circumstances and sharing views..
U know.. FORUM? google it

And er.. FSM, PM, Stocks, whatever - aren't these just tools or vehicles to reach our PERSONAL GOALs?
no ka? Asset allocation not part of using FSM too?
Isn't the WHYs important to share too, thus one can ascertain other's views?

oh.. U doing FSM for the sake of FSM? like doing maths for the sake of maths?
cool.. good for U rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Mar 11 2015, 09:52 PM)
Really? irrelevant to U perhaps yes.
But er.. i was replying to YKLooi that has similar circumstances and sharing views..
U know.. FORUM? google it

And er.. FSM, PM, Stocks, whatever - aren't these just tools or vehicles to reach our PERSONAL GOALs?
no ka? Asset allocation not part of using FSM too?
Isn't the WHYs important to share too, thus one can ascertain other's views?

oh.. U doing FSM for the sake of FSM? like doing maths for the sake of maths?
cool.. good for U  rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 11 2015, 11:14 PM)
rclxms.gif  almost same same yer...me got 2 boy boy.
I am trying to separate mine and theirs so that I hope I would not be distracted by too much/little equities in the portfolio due to age and fear factor or the urge to change when got BAD noises.
trying to put aside and built some sort of education funds without going to HLA-ha-ha.

so when your child is < 15yrs....still under your 1 only portfolio...after 16 yrs old then start to allocate some to them?.
will have to study your allocation of after 16 yrs as mine still hv 10 yrs to that.
currently still have another headache coming....the apartment that we are living has started to show signs of aging...especially on the lifts....wondering how long it can last....had been in the Mgmt committee and realized how much the MC has and how much it needs to replace the 2 lifts.....1/2 mil...definitely NOT possible to replace.......therefore a new apartment would be in the plan too. hopefully can happens BEFORE the lifts stopped working and affect the resale price.

so after setting the edu portfolio,,,will then plan the rebuilt a new portfolio from "0" base...(hopefully it wont happens)
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Perhaps to ease the worry/fear of "distracted by too much/little equities in the portfolio due to age and fear factor or the urge to change when got BAD noises.":

1. Know how much investment portfolio U need to retire on
2. Add required costs for kids' Uni
3. Tada.. total required and timeline

Then invest via FSM, PM, whatever & track based on (3.). If over-achieve, woohoo.. if under-achieve any year, tweak

Try playing with the Google Sheet link on my "signature" - hope it helps

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QUOTE(adamdacutie @ Mar 11 2015, 11:27 PM)
am having a kid coming ...  rclxm9.gif
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Congrats!
It's tough for the first few months but when your little one hugs U/sleeps on your chest... nothing beats that bond & unconditional love....
THUS START PLANNING & EXECUTING to provide your little one options in life laugh.gif

ooo off-topic, planning investments & executing..
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QUOTE(howszat @ Mar 11 2015, 11:13 PM)
No, wrong.

This FSM thread is not about personal circumstances, and your project financial planning for your girl,.

Stop arguing, you are in the wrong thread.
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while i admit many post in this FSM thread do veer off topic we can't be starting a new thread for every single person.

those idiots in personal financial management has 3 housing loans, 2 car loans, 3 credit cards and 5 personal loans that these idiots don't even have money to eat better food, let alone come up with a 20-year plan.

it can go off topic but we are here to SHARE and the regulars here will give better response than the idiots mentioned and the regulars still help out those who have FSM related problems. no harm done, off topic then off topic lo.

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Mar 11 2015, 11:22 PM)
Really? irrelevant to U perhaps yes.
But er.. i was replying to YKLooi that has similar circumstances and sharing views..
U know.. FORUM? google it

And er.. FSM, PM, Stocks, whatever - aren't these just tools or vehicles to reach our PERSONAL GOALs?
no ka?
oh.. U doing FSM for the sake of FSM? like doing maths for the sake of maths?
cool.. good for U  rclxms.gif
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Sorry, but this thread is not about your PERSONAL GOALS.

It is about how FSM can help others achieve their personal goals. There is a difference, thanks.

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Mar 11 2015, 11:30 PM)
while i admit many post in this FSM thread do veer off topic we can't be starting a new thread for every single person.

those idiots in personal financial management has 3 housing loans, 2 car loans, 3 credit cards and 5 personal loans that these idiots don't even have money to eat better food, let alone come up with a 20-year plan.

it can go off topic but we are here to SHARE and the regulars here will give better response than the idiots mentioned and the regulars still help out those who have FSM related problems. no harm done, off topic then off topic lo.
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No problem.

In case I forget, someone can remind me about how their kids detailed planning can add relevant info to FSM.

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QUOTE(howszat @ Mar 11 2015, 11:34 PM)
Sorry, but this thread is not about your PERSONAL GOALS.

It is about how FSM can help others achieve their personal goals. There is a difference, thanks.
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Since one is semi-blind (or total in this case), i'll spell it out:
When the WHYs are shared,
with asset allocation / de-allocation & shifting the resource$ out,
with timeline,
doesn't this help in investing via FSM or any other platforms for that matter?

some folks need BIG HUGE NEON SIGNS "to see" relevance.. doh.gif

anyhow, i was responding to YKLooi, thus if U have an issue with that - please take it up with the relevant party.
another "genius" poking wrong person for wrong item.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 11 2015, 11:37 PM)
Got someone wanna hijack my chairmanship hmm.gif
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If I reckon you are not doing a good job, I may.

Otherwise, hey, you have my vote for chairPERSON. I'm not sexist.

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 11 2015, 11:37 PM)
Got someone wanna hijack my chairmanship hmm.gif
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Ppl holier than thou mar Pinky.
Funny how Excel is ok hor... picky buggers lah them gnats
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Mar 11 2015, 11:27 PM)
Perhaps to ease the worry/fear of "distracted by too much/little equities in the portfolio due to age and fear factor or the urge to change when got BAD noises.":

1. Know how much investment portfolio U need to retire on
2. Add required costs for kids' Uni
3. Tada.. total required and timeline

Then invest via FSM, PM, whatever & track based on (3.). If over-achieve, woohoo.. if under-achieve any year, tweak

Try playing with the Google Sheet link on my "signature" - hope it helps
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hmm.gif I am trying to separate 1 and 2...
b'cos I think the risk appetite for 1 and 2 is different due to longer time horizon and also the 2 has PTPTN or scholarship to fall back on ha-ha.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Mar 11 2015, 11:39 PM)
Since one is semi-blind (or total in this case), i'll spell it out:
When the WHYs are shared,
with asset allocation / de-allocation & shifting the resource$ out,
with timeline,
doesn't this help in investing via FSM or any other platforms for that matter?

some folks need BIG HUGE NEON SIGNS "to see" relevance..  doh.gif

anyhow, i was responding to YKLooi, thus if U have an issue with that - please take it up with the relevant party.
another "genius" poking wrong person for wrong item.
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You replied to me?

No, you ramble too much. I have no interested in your rambling shit.

Learn to present your points in meaningful form.

If you are responding to someone else, state that from the beginning rather than provide a whole bunch of waffle.
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That's it. I have no interest in dragging this on, thanks.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Mar 11 2015, 11:40 PM)
Ppl holier than thou mar Pinky.
Funny how Excel is ok hor... picky buggers lah them gnats
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 11 2015, 11:42 PM)
hmm.gif  I am trying to separate 1 and 2...
b'cos I think the risk appetite for 1 and 2 is different due to longer time horizon and also the 2 has PTPTN or scholarship to fall back on ha-ha.
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Well, i think separated asset allocation works too but i'm just too lazy tracking, executing, adjusting.. 3 portfolios.. gila cry.gif

Yeah - have SSPN done thus, PTPTN on standby but scholarship.. dunno lar laugh.gif
BTW, SSPN - just got confirmation from LHDN, in person, that interest is counted as part of tax relief, thus U don't need to hentam $6K cash in every year to get $6K tax relief.

BTW, U count SSPN as "fixed income" part of your asset allocation for your 2 separate portfolios?
ie. in asset allocation sense
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 11 2015, 11:48 PM)
I was never holy. I'm a drunkard womanising and foul mouthed chairman tongue.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Mar 11 2015, 11:50 PM)
Well, i think separated asset allocation works too but i'm just too lazy tracking, executing, adjusting.. 3 portfolios.. gila  cry.gif

Yeah - have SSPN done thus, PTPTN on standby but scholarship.. dunno lar  laugh.gif
BTW, SSPN - just got confirmation from LHDN, in person, that interest is counted as part of tax relief, thus U don't need to hentam $6K cash in every year to get $6K tax relief.

BTW, U count SSPN as "fixed income" part of your asset allocation for your 2 separate portfolios?
ie. in asset allocation sense
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my 2 sons different 3 yrs ONLY...so I think 1 portfolio for them is enough.
I hantam 6k to try to built more $$ in there.....anyway I think got just a few more years before gomen stopped the tax relief (2017? I think the gomen already anticipated this reduction of contribution thus set a stop year)
no I left the SSPN out of the calculation for the portfolio....but if I did managed to set up another portfolio just for my kids...I may add the sspn as FI in their portfolio

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 12 2015, 12:03 AM)
my 2 sons different 3 yrs ONLY...so I think 1 portfolio for them is enough.
I hantam 6k to try to built more $$ in there.....anyway I think got just a few more years before gomen stopped the tax relief ( 2017? I think)
no I left the SSPN out of the calculation for the portfolio....but if I did managed to set up another portfolio just for my kids...I may add the sspn as FI for their portfolio
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er.. just to share yar
i simulated via Excel for SSPN VS equity fund bought at 2% SC & 1.85%mgt fees

What i found based on my assUmptions tongue.gif :
1. if not for the income tax relief, no point getting in like 4 or 5 years BEFORE PTPTN needed coz the returns are similar to "good FD".

2. And if time horizon is longer (10 years+), the impact or oomph for each tax relief becomes less as the base-returns is FD-like (3%+/- to 4%+/-).
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ie. in a nutshell:
IF 10+ years, better to put all $6K in Equity funds (if ignoring asset allocation) giving 7%-8%pa CAGR
VS
put $6K in SSPN compounding 3-4%pa CAGR
+ $1560 (26% tax relief-ED) into Equity funds giving 7%-8%pa CAGR

Shorter term - well worth it due to "oomph" of the 26% smile.gif
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Note though - as GST gets running, personal tax is being lowered.
Thus, as it gets lower.. the "worthwhile" factor may be lost - it depends.

Just a thought notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Mar 12 2015, 12:17 AM)
er.. just to share yar
i simulated via Excel for SSPN VS equity fund bought at 2% SC & 1.85%mgt fees
.......
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is this blogger you?
Does it worth to put saving in Skim Simpanan Pendidikan Nasional (SSPN-i)?
http://voyager8.blogspot.com/2013/12/does-...ng-in-skim.html

I was enticed by the 26% and a little bit of takaful blush.gif
notworthy.gif tax rate reduction reducing the impact of the tax relief doh.gif
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have just posted the question about the portfolio allocation...to CIS.
hopefully can get response and shall feedback here.


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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 12 2015, 12:26 AM)
is this blogger you?
Does it worth to put saving in Skim Simpanan Pendidikan Nasional (SSPN-i)?
http://voyager8.blogspot.com/2013/12/does-...ng-in-skim.html

I was enticed by the 26% and a little bit of takaful  blush.gif
notworthy.gif tax rate reduction reducing the impact of the tax relief  doh.gif
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Nah not that's not i - i've gotten to lazy to update my blog much.
Anyhow, his calculations seem to be missing a component - reinvesting the tax reliefED received into equities.
However, even then, similar conclusions heheh - if shorter term worth it for sure, longer term is iffy.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Mar 12 2015, 12:34 AM)
Nah not that's not i - i've gotten to lazy to update my blog much.
Anyhow, his calculations seem to be missing a component - reinvesting the tax reliefED received into equities.
However, even then, similar conclusions heheh - if shorter term worth it for sure, longer term is iffy.
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learned and hope that readers can "SEE' it.
good nite.....you should rest..."what an eventful night" for you
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QUOTE(adamdacutie @ Mar 12 2015, 12:27 AM)
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 11 2015, 11:33 AM)
Means?
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US stocks continue the downward spiral but at least Europe has recovered a little. But most of Asia is still down. Not sure how long it will last but I think its gonna drop further as we get closer to the Fed's announcement on the interest rate hike in 3 months. Not gonna be good for most funds I guess.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Mar 12 2015, 08:43 AM)
US stocks continue the downward spiral but at least Europe has recovered a little. But most of Asia is still down. Not sure how long it will last but I think its gonna drop further as we get closer to the Fed's announcement on the interest rate hike in 3 months. Not gonna be good for most funds I guess.
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Stocks drop in value but Dollar rises.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 12 2015, 09:25 AM)
Stocks drop in value but Dollar rises.
Yes but funds are based on stock value rite?
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Mar 12 2015, 09:47 AM)
Yes but funds are based on stock value rite?
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U give RM to fund manager
Fund manager convert RM to USD to buy US stocks
When
(1) US stocks drop
(2) US Dollar rise

1 and 2 will contra off each other, though not 100% contra

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https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/resea...SJBlog_20150311

unker yklooi, any thought for the not so diversify portfolio for the kids?
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Asian market up. Thanks to Bank of Korea.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 12 2015, 01:22 PM)
Asian market up. Thanks to Bank of Korea.
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Apa bank Korea buat? Reduce rates?
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 12 2015, 12:52 PM)
Apa bank Korea buat? Reduce rates?
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Yes.

And Kak Zeti's statement that "Ringgit is fundamentally undervalued" pushes Ringgit up

Damn...koyak lah UT portfolio saya doh.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 12 2015, 12:55 PM)
Yes.

And Kak Zeti's statement that "Ringgit is fundamentally undervalued" pushes Ringgit up

Damn...koyak lah UT portfolio saya doh.gif
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Don't worry. Effect won't last long and cannot withstand USD strong rally.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 12 2015, 01:04 PM)
Don't worry. Effect won't last long and cannot withstand USD strong rally.
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Just checked the charts

SGD and USD...even Renminbi still strong against Ringgit flex.gif

Only Euro is weak
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 12 2015, 01:55 PM)
Yes.

And Kak Zeti's statement that "Ringgit is fundamentally undervalued" pushes Ringgit up

Damn...koyak lah UT portfolio saya doh.gif
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Haha.. at this moment, I need RM to up
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May I know what is the difference between:

AFFIN HWANG SELECT SGD INCOME FUND - MYR
URL: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...lnumber=MYHWSGD

and AFFIN HWANG SELECT SGD INCOME FUND - SGD
URL: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...number=MYHWSGDS
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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 12 2015, 01:44 PM)
May I know what is the difference between:

AFFIN HWANG SELECT SGD INCOME FUND - MYR
URL: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...lnumber=MYHWSGD

and AFFIN HWANG SELECT SGD INCOME FUND - SGD 
URL: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...number=MYHWSGDS
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MYR is hedged
SGD is not

Minimum initial and subsequent investment amount also different
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Korea Korea

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QUOTE(yck1987 @ Mar 12 2015, 11:16 AM)
Investing my Kid's Ang Bao Monies and Buying into Russia

https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/resea...SJBlog_20150311

unker yklooi, any thought for the not so diversify portfolio for the kids?
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Thanks for the input...
cannot find Russia only in FSM m'sia...any Russia heavy alternatives?
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 12 2015, 12:30 AM)
have just posted the question about the portfolio allocation...to CIS.
hopefully can get response and shall feedback here.
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Before, we start to construct the portfolio for your children education fund. I need to have some basic information from you to determine your initial investment amount and subsequent investment amount (if any)

1) May I know what is the expected return from your portfolio
2) What is the target amount size that you aim to achieve in this 15 years period

For unit trust investment, I will not recommend you to invest and forget about it. Rebalancing must be in place at least once a year to determine that your portfolio whether is still in line with your investment objective or not. I will suggest you to go aggressive for first 5- 10 years and gradually increase the allocation for bond fund for the last few years as last few year is the time you need the education fund and capital preservation will be main objective at that time.
Investors should use a core and supplementary portfolio strategy for effective diversification. The core portfolio must be diversified with foreign funds while the supplementary portfolio holds any funds which allow you to act on market views that you may have.
The Core And Supplementary Portfolio
The core portfolio is invested in broadly diversified regional funds such as those investing in Asia ex-Japan, Asia Pacific and global markets. These funds are held for long-term such as five-years or more.
The supplementary portfolio is where you make your ‘best bets’. This can be country specific funds such as those invested solely in India or China and sector-specific funds including technology, healthcare or commodities funds. These narrowly focused funds experience greater volatility but can make bigger returns. The supplementary portfolio only takes up between 10% and 20% of your invested capital. This ensures that its volatility does not affect your total portfolio (consisting of the core and supplementary portfolio). For example, if supplementary portfolio takes up 20% of the total portfolio and loses 30% (this may occur for country specific funds), the total portfolio only loses 6% of its original value.
The supplementary portfolio is usually held for the short- term, between one and two years. You switch funds in your supplementary portfolio when your view on the underlying sectors and country changes. What happens if the supplementary portion grows beyond 20% of the total portfolio? Then, rebalance by shifting some profits to funds in your core portfolio.
My suggestion would be remain the core portfolio for first 10 years, and the supplementary usually have higher volatility (hence the very limited allocation), but these investments can potentially deliver higher returns. The supplementary portion offers a medium-term strategy to capitalize on specific themes or ideas that present investment opportunities. Therefore, you may change the sector that you prefer from time to time depend on market sentiment. Please see my suggestion as below :-


* killed EI GEM and EI SC cry.gif tongue.gif

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 12 2015, 02:30 PM)
Thanks for the input...
cannot find Russia only in FSM m'sia...any Russia heavy alternatives?
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http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...number=MYTABRIC

But only 10% as at latest fact sheet
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QUOTE(howszat @ Mar 11 2015, 11:38 PM)
No problem.

In case I forget, someone can remind me about how their kids detailed planning can add relevant info to FSM.
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yes, maybe you have forgotten.....here is it...even FSM did do a workshop on this topic.

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=3232

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QUOTE(MUM @ Mar 12 2015, 03:59 PM)
yes, maybe you have forgotten.....here is it...even FSM did do a workshop on this topic.

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=3232
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Whose dupe are you? brows.gif

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QUOTE(MUM @ Mar 12 2015, 03:59 PM)
yes, maybe you have forgotten.....here is it...even FSM did do a workshop on this topic.

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=3232
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 12 2015, 02:34 PM)
Before, we start to construct the portfolio for your children education fund. I need to have some basic information from you to determine your initial investment amount and subsequent investment amount (if any)

1)    May I know what is the expected return from your portfolio
2)    What is the target amount size that you aim to achieve in this 15 years period

For unit trust investment, I will not recommend you to invest and forget about it. Rebalancing must be in place at least once a year to determine that your portfolio whether is still in line with your investment objective or not. I will suggest you to go aggressive for first 5- 10 years and gradually increase the allocation for bond fund for the last few years as last few year is the time you need the education fund and capital preservation will be main objective at that time.
Investors should use a core and supplementary portfolio strategy for effective diversification. The core portfolio must be diversified with foreign funds while the supplementary portfolio holds any funds which allow you to act on market views that you may have.
The Core And Supplementary Portfolio
The core portfolio is invested in broadly diversified regional funds such as those investing in Asia ex-Japan, Asia Pacific and global markets. These funds are held for long-term such as five-years or more. 
The supplementary portfolio is where you make your ‘best bets’. This can be country specific funds such as those invested solely in India or China and sector-specific funds including technology, healthcare or commodities funds. These narrowly focused funds experience greater volatility but can make bigger returns.  The supplementary portfolio only takes up between 10% and 20% of your invested capital. This ensures that its volatility does not affect your total portfolio (consisting of the core and supplementary portfolio). For example, if supplementary portfolio takes up 20% of the total portfolio and loses 30% (this may occur for country specific funds), the total portfolio only loses 6% of its original value.
The supplementary portfolio is usually held for the short- term, between one and two years. You switch funds in your supplementary portfolio when your view on the underlying sectors and country changes. What happens if the supplementary portion grows beyond 20% of the total portfolio? Then, rebalance by shifting some profits to funds in your core portfolio.
My suggestion would be remain the core portfolio for first 10 years, and the supplementary usually have higher volatility (hence the very limited allocation), but these investments can potentially deliver higher returns. The supplementary portion offers a medium-term strategy to capitalize on specific themes or ideas that present investment opportunities. Therefore, you may change the sector that you prefer from time to time depend on market sentiment. Please see my suggestion as below :-
* killed EI GEM and EI SC  cry.gif  tongue.gif
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Thanks for sharing. Good one thumbup.gif

QUOTE(MUM @ Mar 12 2015, 03:59 PM)
yes, maybe you have forgotten.....here is it...
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haha thanks thumbup.gif totally agree that parents need to look out for their childrens especially in terms of financial.

oh wait, nowadays kids get to register FSM account at age of 5yrs old and join us at FSM's thread? biggrin.gif icon_rolleyes.gif

of course kids detailed financial planning can add relevant info to FSM. its not like we're gonna talk about it for 5-10 pages. Perhaps, it might be useful for some of us that will have a little one coming. hands.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 12 2015, 04:10 PM)
Anyway, well done! That idi*t kena in the face rclxms.gif  laugh.gif
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9 Mar he trolled with yklooi
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he may do this to you (mum=mother)

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I am loving the market going up today..

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