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post Mar 3 2015, 07:29 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 3 2015, 07:16 PM)
Just a side note:

Ponzi 2.0 fund size is approaching 1.5 billion:

RM 1,470.00 million (as at January 31, 2015)
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rclxub.gif WOW, how to calculate the mgmt. fees charged.....
approximate all in 2.0% x 15000,000,xxx (how many zeros should there be?)
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post Mar 3 2015, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 3 2015, 08:20 PM)
1 billion has 9 thrilling zeroes: 1,000,000,000
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hmm.gif just about 30 million pa....just from 1 fund.... thumbup.gif go buy the CIMB share?... whistling.gif

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QUOTE(woonsc @ Mar 3 2015, 08:51 PM)
rhb? bukan cimb?
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doh.gif alamak...bought the wrong share laugh.gif
(Ori post corrected!)
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post Mar 4 2015, 09:37 PM

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For first time in years, euro economy starts surprising on upside.
(Reuters) - The euro zone economy is sprouting more green shoots than anticipated just as the European Central Bank fires up a money printing program worth more than 1 trillion euros.
An analysis of Reuters polls shows more than half the most important economic reports since the start of the year, as well as data across the bloc's four largest economies, have beaten the consensus forecast and many have topped the highest prediction.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/04/...N0M019220150304

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post Mar 6 2015, 10:46 PM

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Apple to replace AT&T in Dow industrials on March 18
NEW YORK Fri Mar 6, 2015

(Reuters) - Apple Inc (AAPL.O), the largest U.S. company by market value, will join the Dow Jones Industrial Average .DJI on March 18, replacing AT&T Inc (T.N), S&P Dow Jones Indices said on Friday.
With a market capitalization of about $736 billion, Apple is the largest publicly traded company in the world. AT&T, by contrast, has a market value of $176.5 billion.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/06/...N0M21H020150306

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post Mar 7 2015, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 7 2015, 05:02 PM)
2.12%  ohmy.gif  gomen profit, investor incur extra cost  icon_idea.gif
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hmm.gif if all 2.12% go to gomen profit.....FSM no earn?
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post Mar 7 2015, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 7 2015, 05:52 PM)
2% goes to FSM

0.12% goes to gomen after GST.. Currently Zero for gomen.. so after tis gomen profit (get 0.12%)  icon_idea.gif
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rclxms.gif this is as per mind understanding too.
that means what was posted as
"2.12% ohmy.gif gomen profit, investor incur extra cost icon_idea.gif " is a not right...should be gomen profit 0.12% tongue.gif
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post Mar 9 2015, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(adamdacutie @ Mar 9 2015, 03:35 PM)
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ECB QE vs Strong US Job Data

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guess the markets are at times irrational...

European shares fall as ECB starts buying bonds....Mon Mar 9, 2015

PARIS, March 9 (Reuters) - European shares fell on Monday with investors booking recent lofty gains as the European Central Bank begins its programme of bond purchases, aimed at boosting inflation and growth.

The drop in European stocks on Monday mirrored a sell-off on Wall Street on Friday, where strong U.S. jobs data fanned expectations that the Federal Reserve may raise interest rates sooner than previously thought.

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post Mar 9 2015, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(howszat @ Mar 9 2015, 09:08 PM)
Actually, it is quite rational, according to the type of market participant.

Shorter term participants (traders, speculators) are focussed on market expectations. If they expect interest rate rises, which is bad, they react accordingly.

Longer term participants (investors) focus on economic growth. If jobs growth point to a stronger economy in the longer term, now is a good time to invest.
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hmm.gif is that "the predictable yet irrational behaviour of investors"?
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post Mar 10 2015, 04:33 AM

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QUOTE(howszat @ Mar 9 2015, 10:55 PM)
......One approach could be this: "Be Fearful When Others Are Greedy and Greedy When Others Are Fearful'. Buffet, of course. You decide.
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hmm.gif isn't that contrarian investing or value investing?
UT fund investors allocate to appropriate sector/region to diversify and add/top up to a certain level when they think got value...then up to FMs to do the others.
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post Mar 10 2015, 04:34 AM

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QUOTE(JAIDK23 @ Mar 10 2015, 01:29 AM)
should rename this thread.. "LYN Official Fundsupermart.com" v9 . cheers.gif
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Why? got another or other similar one in lyn?
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post Mar 10 2015, 04:47 AM

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QUOTE(howszat @ Mar 9 2015, 10:22 PM)
Ah, but if you review and change, you are not leaving it entirely to the FM. The question is how frequent.

If you didn't do anything for 10 or more years, say, that's a different story.
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have to leave it entirely to the FMs...cannot tell them where and how much to go in. we can only control what is %allocated in the portfolio..that % too are always changing if you see their monthly report.
review and change if the intended allocation are misplace out of our comfort % or that the purchased funds are below par among its peers or that personal preference or needs changes.
how frequent to review?...very subjective....at least once a year (minimum)?
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 11 2015, 07:02 AM)
Bloody in US..
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yes.....
Markets tumble...here is why.....
http://money.cnn.com/2015/03/10/investing/...-dow/index.html




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post Mar 12 2015, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 12 2015, 04:10 PM)
Anyway, well done! That idi*t kena in the face rclxms.gif  laugh.gif
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hmm.gif Be careful, Be VERY Careful MUM,.. biggrin.gif
9 Mar he trolled with yklooi
11 Mar he trolled with wongmunkeong
he may do this to you (mum=mother)

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Mar 13 2015, 03:15 PM)
One thing I discovered about the RHB OSK fund houses is that it is not cost effective to practice constant dollar investing or dollar value averaging with them.

Imagine this, you buy a RHB OSK equity fund and have paid the sales fee of 2%. Then you want to switch some profits into the RHB OSK Bond Fund using the CDI or DVA method. You have to pay a switching fee of RM25.00.

Later if you want to switch back the profits from the RHB OSK Bond fund into any RHB OSK equity fund, you have to pay 1% of the repurchase price per unit as the redemption fee. The redemption fee of 1% is only waived if you switch or sell the RHB OSK Bond Fund after 1 year.

Where is the logic in this? How are we supposed to make a decent profit or to practise asset allocation like this?  doh.gif
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hmm.gif Most of the UT prospectus would suggest a holding periods of mid to longer term (3~5 yrs holding period)
Frequent changing of UTs would cost you....and at the same time it is assumed to be timing the market.
If, the fund that I see can be selected to be in my portfolio, i am already willing to pay 2%.....depending of the invested amount...RM 25 would be indefinitely less than the 2%....and i am sure i would have make more than that RM25 before i switch......or i would also pay the RM 25 to switch out fund that are not making monies, if i "know" that i would save much more than that later.

also on this switching toic...there is this thing called Credit system
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/faq.svdo?id=2001

YES, you can and also cannot make a decent profit in UTs but you are advised not to practise asset allocation like this.
asset allocation are advised to be planed before actual buying.
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QUOTE(akira de aimbuster @ Mar 15 2015, 12:50 PM)
May I know what is that?
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it is just an aka name / nick name for this...
CIMB-PRINCIPAL ASIA PACIFIC DYNAMIC INCOME FUND
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...umber=MYCIMB007
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Mar 15 2015, 01:22 PM)
Thanks for your advice. I will be cashing out from all my RHB OSK unit trusts except for RHB-OSK China India Dynamic Growth Fund. For me, any fund house such as RHB-OSK that does not encourage investors to do regular portfolio rebalance by imposing switching fees and redemption fee is OUT.

Investors should stay away from these type of fund houses if they are investing for the long run.
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Investors that are investing for the long run...does not do 'regular" portfolio rebalance...even if they do the rebalancing when they feel is the time, they may not be of the same fund house.....
just a thought... icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Mar 15 2015, 04:03 PM)
Hi, I disagree with your view but that is the purpose of a forum, for members to exchange ideas and knowledge.  smile.gif

I am not an expert in unit trust. But I strongly believe that portfolio rebalancing, whether done once every 3-4 months, once every 6 months or once a year is crucial for the success of any long term investment in unit trusts. Unit trusts is not blue chip dividend shares where we buy and hold the shares forever (to quote Warren Buffett). We need to manage the risks against the expected reward.

For example, our asset allocation is 80% in equity unit trusts and 20% in bond funds. If after one year, our asset allocation drifts to 90% in equity unit trusts and 10% in bond funds, then we need to re-balance and sell off 10% of our equity funds and buy the bond funds. To avoid costs, we should transfer the profits into the same bond fund house to avoid paying the sales fees again when we switch back into the equity fund later. For eg. we will switch the profits from the Kenanga Growth fund into Kenanga Bond Fund.

There are tons of books in the market on asset allocation and portfolio rebalancing.

For serious long term investors who are investing for their children's education, retirement, etc. I find the following books extremely useful:-

(1)  The Four Pillars of Investing by William J. Bernstein

(2) All About Asset Allocation by Richard Ferris

To all the sifus here, I hope you will not laugh at me for providing such basic information above.  notworthy.gif
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very insightful...but I made a quick assumption....
let say....using your example for discussion about the 80:20 thing
invested with RM 100 000 at 80:20 (RM 80 000 : RM 20 000)
4 Fund houses ( assuming not all FH has the EQ fund that I liked (regions/global exposure/performance, etc) and also to have a diversification among FHs)
therefore each about RM 20 000 EQ and RM 5000 FI per Fund house
if EQ made 10% = RM 2000 profit....will shift out to bond
why limit one self to only that fund house when the Sales charges of RM 2000 @ 2% = RM 40 ?

hmm.gif uuumph....even if invested RM 80 000 EQ and RM 20 000 Bond with 1 FH...
if EQ profit is 10% = RM 8000...if switch this RM 8000 to other FH at 2%SC ...the SC is RM 160

hmm.gif why would I be tie down to only 1 FH and having 1 FH (enhances my RM 100 000 risks) for RM 160?

that is only if invested with RM 100 000

sweat.gif hopefully my calculation is correct .... notworthy.gif

if really want to "save*"...try UTs not.......the RM 100 000 AUM at 2% Mgmt + Misc fees is about RM 2000 per annum "rain or shine" even though we don't get to "see" it ....
(* like reducing leakages, making invested monies more efficient in making monies, etc)

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Mar 16 2015, 06:16 PM)
I don't understand your statement ":hmm: why would I be tie down to only 1 FH and having 1 FH (enhances my RM 100 000 risks) for RM 160?"

We are not investing RM100K in one fund house, e.g. KGF, but diversifying it into different global funds, asia funds, Malaysian funds, REITs and bond funds. So the risk is minimised.
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hmm.gif "We are not investing RM100K in one fund house, e.g. KGF, but diversifying it into different global funds, asia funds, Malaysian funds, REITs and bond funds. So the risk is minimized".
to diversify into different global funds, asia funds, Malaysian funds, REITs and bond funds.....cannot have 1 fund house that have all these funds that suit each individual and also even if the fund house has all these funds,...their performance may not be on par with others....(some are good at Big cap, some are good at Small Cap) .....example...if RHB has a GOOD asean fund...but you won't buy it BECAUSE RHB bond fund has redemption fees if sell < 12 months....so you let go of this RHB Asean fund to go into another 2nd choice fund because of RM 160?
(OOPS RM 40 only because IF have to get into 4 FHs)

why tie down to only I FH...is if I have RM 100 000 to invest in UT,..why have to let this RM 160 to limits oneself from getting into more FHs to get more choices of funds, more diversification of portfolio, more risk diversion...

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Mar 16 2015, 06:16 PM)
Well, if we follow the principles of John Bogle, the founder of Vanguard, costs is an important consideration when we invest in mutual funds or unit trusts. For example assuming we save the SC of RM160 and invest it in a unit trust with a return of 10% per annum. After 20 years, the principal sum and compound interest will amount to RM1076.40. Of course we may not get a 10% return every year and the inflation rate has not been taken into account, But I am sure you understand where I am going with this. Multiple the sales fee of RM160 by 10 times to RM1600 and we are looking at RM10,764.00 profit after 20 years.

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Well, if we follow the principles of John Bogle, the founder of Vanguard, costs is an important consideration when we invest in mutual funds or unit trusts.
hmm.gif HOw much is the compounded annual mgmt fees * other fees for RM 2000 pa for 20 yrs + the opportunity cost? (if RM 160, we are looking at RM10,764.00 profit after 20 years, then RM 2000 = RM 135 000 perhaps?) ....then, John Bogle's principles is right.....costs is an important consideration when we invest in mutual funds or unit trusts.

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