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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL & FLX Thread V67, U haz CVT Falcon PUNCH liao?

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davidke20
post Jun 9 2015, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(athrunzaru @ Jun 9 2015, 02:22 PM)
means, if i disturb thing A, thing B would be affected as long they are related?
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At this time, I'd put more focus on fuel injection system. Throttle action, is already at its optimal with grounding cable around.
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post Jun 9 2015, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(wankel @ Jun 9 2015, 03:11 PM)
I'm in no way concerned about throttle response but only wish to inspect the smoothness of the bore, efficiency gains are what I seek to find.
Having a CVT means means power gains are pointless, without forced induction more power would mean higher revs but our engines are purposely detuned by limiting the revs where maximum power is made, due to the CVT having a rev limit.
If forced induction is used then the torque limit of the VT2 would be exceeded with my S4PH, although there's a little bit more headroom there, and S4PE users will likely find that a useful method, providing they limit the revs. Hmm could be a good little market for an aftermarket kit, could even leave the old injectors to limit power.
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Exactly! Your S4PH does not require a rebore, it's already smooth. If I'm not mistaken, v12kompressor got a picture of comparison between S4PE and S4PH. Clearly, the 1.3 version looks exactly the same from the outside, but the inner bore has been restructured to fit a smaller throttlebody. Hence, a rebore for 1.3 users would really mean something to them(us I mean).
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post Jun 9 2015, 07:57 PM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Jun 9 2015, 06:55 PM)
interesting discussion going on....wankel your daisy is 1.6?
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QUOTE(wankel @ Jun 9 2015, 07:44 PM)
Sure is.
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He forgot u guys only got 1.6 in OZ land, which is also why they call it S16 laugh.gif Could have also called it S13 if u guys got a S4PE engine laugh.gif
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post Jun 9 2015, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(n3w @ Jun 9 2015, 08:56 PM)
An interesting find, means you're saying that the lag is there for a purpose: protecting the engine and transmission too. I find that the lag also benefical while upshift, it sort of prevents the drop in rpm too much, as long you're controlling the throttle well, you're able to minimise rpm drop from throttle control alone.

About the speedometer part, if I want an aggresive throttlebody on straight road, can I adjust accordingly? Can it be manipulated? Just asking. hmm.gif
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Take it this way, there has been too many civilian drivers on earth that has an average driving skill. Car manufacturer has no choice but seeing their transmission being punished over and over again. My father for instance, he's a decent manual transmission driver, every of my family agrees to how he drives(even myself not dare to say he's wrong). He will first press the clutch pedal(instant disengaging) before releasing gas pedal, as a result of blank rev, then release the gas pedal. Shift in to next gear, semi release clutch pedal, gradually input accelerator. After RPM catching up and the clutch disc gradually grinding with the clutch cover, then slowly release the clutch pedal(fully engaged). Can you tell anything wrong with this kind of driving? It's because cable throttle has no protection on the spontaneous throttle action input. My dad does that to prevent shift shock/clutch disengagement being felt by his passenger. My mom loves it and has no complaint with my dad's driving. He can do that all day long, I believe for the past 60 years.

Now do you see what's the problem with average driving skill that kills the fun? Now let's take a look at cable throttle with an open mind.



Look at the video, if the RPM refused to drop, when you upshift quick, what would happened? The car jerks forward. What if you're on a high speed corner, take TitanRev previous Sepang pigeon spin for example. If that turn he doesn't goes upshift, will he still spin? Wouldn't it be nice if you know exactly that when you punch the gas pedal, the engine give you instantaneous response? Wouldn't it be nice if you need to do quick upshift and you certainly sure RPM will goes down to the level that matches your next gear? Wouldn't it be nice if you can do repeating revs and show off how nice your engine sounds?



My Shawie is only 60whp even after tuning. My GaGa, stock already 74whp. So tell me, do you prefer a car that is nice to drive? Give you good response? Listen to your instruction? The car will even self destruct to protect your pride if you ask it to. Deep down in your heart you know that preventing over rev upon shifting is the only protection to the transmission. Or you'd rather preferred a car that takes away all your responsibilities, protect your engine like protecting grandma punished the young girl's S16?

p/s: This video does not belong to me, you try to drive your car aggressive abit and see. You'll definitely face this

Notice that every upshift the RPM will goes overshoot? Now the so call protection does not protect anymore! And take note, this protection can't be take away until you change your engine management system or possibly if you managed to break the code and change the fuel mapping I believe.

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post Jun 9 2015, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(Aquariusdenz @ Jun 9 2015, 09:55 PM)
IIRC, i read somewhere that Exora Bold has the instance throttle respond even though it is using CVT. Why EB dont need slower toto respond to protect the transmission?
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Do you have an Exora Bold? Do you know what is categorize as "lag"? I have a bloody BLM, it has the fucking protection in it which I hated the most, but do you see totolag even if I did 0-100 sprint with akon switched on? Besides, I don't even pre-rev the engine during start up. Do you see the point that I try to protect my car from the "protection" that will damage my car if I drive like that?



p/s: I have no means to offend u, but i really don't have an answer for what you've asked. Your question is based on someone else opinion, and u throw a question of the car that I do not have. So... sweat.gif May be someone will answer u better sweat.gif

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post Jun 9 2015, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(Aquariusdenz @ Jun 9 2015, 10:19 PM)
ok let me put it this way, i was wondering if Proton is to purposely set the totolag to protect the transmission, but why isit EB have no totolag? While it has CVT too, my gaga also got CVT bah..

Meanwhile i also ever drove BLM and FL manual. Dont really like the protection you mentioned. Im also hoping you can find out the root cause too.
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Perhaps, you may be confused on the transmission lag instead. Usually people wouldn't feel much of totolag on CVT. Any instant increase of engine torque would have translated into beltslip(lag) laugh.gif





Here's the no lag u refering to. To me, it looks more like VT3 significant, parented with a turbo engine that assist on low end torque. Hence the "no lag"? laugh.gif
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post Jun 9 2015, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(nikconan @ Jun 9 2015, 10:57 PM)
hi guys i went to the SC this morning and ask them to check the bearing cause i keep hearing noises while driving. so they said the rear wheel bearing on the right wheel was faulty and in order to replace the bearing, they have to replace the hub as well and the cost will be around RM 350++. is the price okay?
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FLX yes, reasonable. BLM/FL, no.
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post Jun 9 2015, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(nikconan @ Jun 9 2015, 11:04 PM)
does the wheel hub covered by the warranty? or it doesnt have any warranty.
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Yes if you can prove the fault is factory/production defect. Otherwise, considered as wear & tear, woranti tarak yawn.gif
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post Jun 9 2015, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(sanmino @ Jun 9 2015, 11:39 PM)
Hi, saga sv owner here. Is it normal for a knocking/clunking sound heard when pressing the brake? When not in motion it can be heard quite loudly.
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Rear brakehub, bearing, berakpam, any1 or all of them got rosaked. Send it back to SC get them replaced. U r not alone laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Aquariusdenz @ Jun 9 2015, 11:17 PM)
Oh well.. in that case i have to get use to it or practice the sell kar bai vios method..
I changed once on my FLX under warranty coverage, all FOC. Your is FLX or BLM? How many years already? Always service at SC?
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QUOTE(nikconan @ Jun 9 2015, 11:21 PM)
thanks for the reply! well i guess rest in peace money  cry.gif
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Sell kar bai VIOS
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post Jun 10 2015, 09:26 PM

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QUOTE(THE CLASS OF 13 @ Jun 10 2015, 07:50 PM)
guys  need to renew my roadtax and insurans which company you suggest? before this use etiqa, allianz okay ah? bro david you know anyone in melaka who deal with insurans?
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post Jun 10 2015, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(n3w @ Jun 10 2015, 08:49 PM)
What is that ah? Kindly enlighten me people. notworthy.gif
Bos wa nakkkk notworthy.gif

Wana test drive test drive brows.gif
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Tibai spacer. Use to slot in tibai so loosen tibai can be tight again
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post Jun 11 2015, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(n3w @ Jun 10 2015, 10:33 PM)
Tight better response ke? hmm.gif
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No ayam fuckin around. Spacer is made to extend the location of totobodi, so to make a bigger buffer room on the intake manifold.

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post Jun 11 2015, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(n3w @ Jun 11 2015, 01:51 PM)
Dont want to recommend sendiri mia kah whistling.gif
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I can't. I got agent and staff in this forum. Conflict of interest whistling.gif
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post Jun 11 2015, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(Maxwell6635 @ Jun 11 2015, 04:26 PM)
hmm.gif next year can?  rclxms.gif
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So? Tomolo 9 kolek filter haimai?
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post Jun 12 2015, 08:18 AM

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QUOTE(Maxwell6635 @ Jun 11 2015, 04:47 PM)
yaya  biggrin.gif bro , and SAMHOW told me to send his regard to you , asking whether if u attend tmr , he might be coming . I will let him know about it.
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post Jun 13 2015, 01:09 AM

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It's been awhile since the last TT. Thank you guys for the wonderful gathering. Many happy moment with Batik Petik Betik nod.gif
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post Jun 13 2015, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(n3w @ Jun 12 2015, 09:20 PM)
Nak dyno boss...keta noob saya.  yawn.gif
Wait for mahihi next dyno with the tb spacer.

Bos, stroker kit 1.6 reliable kah? Cost of change tahu?  icon_idea.gif
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shakehead.gif How many times have mentioned bro wankel from OZ. Any universal stuff for us is unobtainium for him, not to mention performance part that is consider rare mineral in Plotong homeland. Besides, OZ only got 1 model, which is S16 with S4PH 1.6 engine, he doesn't need a stroker kit. FYI, he's an ang moh, so yeah nod.gif
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QUOTE(wankel @ Jun 13 2015, 11:18 AM)
Well put, My guess is ang moh refers to my racial characteristics, in that case I'm even paler than I need be due to some issues with anaemia, caused I suppose from a bit of internal bleeding that seems to be an ongoing issue.
The crank I admire is the Mitsubishi one used in the CFE engine, that bit less stroke would suit plonking into Daisy. Currently I have to be a bit choosy about which fuel to use as most of our petrol is 91 RON jungle juice, something I shouldn't use. What I do use right or wrong is the even cheaper 91 with 10% ethanol blended in, in theory that boosts the RON to 94, which I consider close enough to the 95 indicated for her, but since I pretty well never use more than 50% of the throttle things in my mind should be fine.
For the brave and curious I do post piccies of myself from time to time on my weblog A sad time in that for me was back in October 2012, but happily for me life has reason again.
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Ang Moh refers to Red Head. For the locals and Singaporean, we refer all whites as Ang Moh nod.gif
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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Jun 14 2015, 10:00 AM)
Just use better pads, rotors and steel braided hose will do. No need waste time to mod the rear. Our car is not heavy so even you race the car with just an ugraded hose you can feel the difference.
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We need to cut the torsion beam, patch a new mounting plate and TIG weld it on
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So we can put a new spindle on to fit a brake disc at the back. Notice we're still using rubber hose? We don't need steel hose, people can't see it anyways nod.gif
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Do you get the idea? It's it doesn't matter what brake pad u use or what brake hose u use, in the end those stuff can't be seen
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