We have just been told off in a somewhat abrupt manner that the F&F section is using stolen content from Paultan.org. As such, we will no longer be allowing content and links from the said site to be posted across the forum to avoid any legal action from the owners.

well, it's a pity that this happens.
however we can't fault on his statement and considering is stand point and at the end of the day his site is his income.

just wish he could have put it in a better manner or something.

=edit =
Typo

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Feb 10 2015, 12:33 PM

Would it not be better to block off url linking from Paul Tan's site instead.

Can moderators do this? Se7ven can do this? Put code in forum to automatically detect paultan's website and prohibit from posting? This is the best solution because, even if this topic is pinned, people will still put paultan's link in the forums regardless forgetful or just no source left.

After doing a search for "paultan", here is what I found:
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Sear...ighlite=paultan


1. Most F&F articles refer to Paultan's website. Very rare to find a citation outherwise. Meaning links all go back to <link removed>
2. Hotlinking to images happen. Mostly put the full link linking back to Paultan's site. Very rare to find image/item taken without link back.
3. However, since people already copy paste the entire article, there is no need to go to Paultan regardless of having link. I can see this happening too.
4. Defaming Paultan happens. For some reason, is happening a lot recently. Especially in Kopitiam forums. Very rare to find it previously.

I can understand why he wants content removed. I pun sakit hati if someone hotlink to my site, then badmouth me in another forum. At the end of the day, ads = money. If you discuss paultan stuff in lowyat. Put link once, then continue discussion/disagreement, then LYN will get income, since people forget the Paultan link and discuss here. You have some people who don't agree with their view, then bash them here.

I can see a slight decrees in <link removed> traffic from lyn topics. Mind you, some discussions are held in F&F and some in Kopitiam section.

EDIT: Fantastic job to admin! The <link removed> were only just mentioning p aultan. org

This post has been edited by mystvearn: Feb 10 2015, 12:22 PM

The automatic removal applies to hot linked images. Without the proper link, the images won't appear, so no issue on it being 'stolen' or used without permission.

We will also be removing any content taken from there, regardless of whether its has a link back or not.

We take these kind of allegations very seriously, and if the content owner feels that the content should not be reproduce elsewhere, then we will ensure it isn't.

so now cannot copy content of paultan even attach with sos?

i guess that's what Paul Tan is trying to imply in his rather impulsive post. Wonder why not Paultan's website just disable to rightclick function, that would cut down the tremendous hot linking of urls and images.

I browse Paultan blog only for obtaining first hand information such as specs and prices. I don't heed his personal comment.

Vios 4AT is proven reliable. Sad but true. Hahahahaaaa...

But then again... his blog /website contains alot of no-holds barred zero-value comments /one-liners and some potentially misleading and defamatory as well.

Hi

I am very sorry if this offends anyone in the F&F forum, not intentional.

What I actually meant in my Facebook post by "that forum" is the kopitiam forum, not F&F

The context of my comment is a thread in kopitiam where multiple defamatory messages were posted about our editorial team.


This post has been edited by paultantk: Feb 10 2015, 03:55 PM

Thanks for clarifying Mr Paul

and yes i do agree that the kopitiam section and burn for all i care.
it has degenerated into a cesspool that's been the headache of LYN (especially the mods/staffs) for a long time now.

Can you give example of the defamatory and misleading part? The website is too popular and they have to take extra caution when trying to write stuff. Any big review site really. A blog yes.

Any good website/blog will tell you the pro/cons about the item reviewed but will not coerce you to buy the product. Scoring a product is optional, though I find not scoring better because then people will go find scores and match them. With PC parts or tech scoring is fine because its not so much a big deal. TG scores cars, but I do not like the idea that much. Also, paultan makes aware if an advert is shown by putting "AD" there. Don't like to see that, don't click. I have paultan and autoworld malaysia on my feedly. I can freely compare both reviews.

Here are common problems about car review sites which people are not aware of:

The car is loaned to them either short/long time.
Some manufactures are confident, bring them on a roadtrip. Some are so scared that they will give you the product to be reviewed months after coming out or sometimes just give short test on a road 5 km long or just some car park. The problem with car reviewers is that they need to form an opinion in a very short time, then write about it quickly, then move to the next car. Hopefully they don't forget important stuff along the way. Us normal beings who own/buy the car they review will form some difference in opinion because we can review the car leisurely. If we love the car too much, then whatever criticism towards the car is dealt with severe displeasure. Happens a lot. The moment the topic says Proton/Perodua you see those people.

Review sites need money
A successful car review sites needs to be self-sustainable. That is why you get those BHP/Petronas/Celcom commercials in the driven series. Alexa rank shows paultan within top 100. 120+k unique visitors with repetition in visits up to 5 times per visitor. Even Top Gear needs money. It needs £1 million just to produce one episode of Top Gear with its 30+ mobile crew. People like TG because they can bash cars and don't care. Well, aside from TG, no one else can do that. TG has a huge brand outside the TG TV and magazine. From toys to cakes. Fifth Gear is diplomatic. Carbuyer is diploamatic. Paultan too has to be diplomatic. If they are being "misleading and defamatory", I doubt the car makers will allow them to review their cars in future. Due to small differences, people go mad. No idea what this what the world has come to.

Petrolheads stop commenting at very popular sites because it drains them
Well, most shy away. I rarely comment at paultan now. I find F&F easier. Good thing they have that "like" feature. I just do a ctrl+s for the term "well-loved" and read that aside from the reviewers response. I think recently with the Ron95 vs 97 article. Most people who know about cars know that if your engine cannot take advantage of Ron97, you are wasting money. I like that article a lot as it covers both car and petrol from a single brand. No use covering petrol from different brands. I think Paultan would love to do a Ron95 for all petrols in malaysia, but not sure if they can pull it off yet. Imagine this topic alone will be "defamatory and misleading". Not sure if they want to attract that kind of attention. Not only paultan. Got that research group few years back put petrol as A, B, C, D, E without mentioning the brand.


I don't think people in F&F section is offended. I saw few post started attacking people in Kopitiam section which was why I put the search feature in the previous post. I also think that there is a small group which is purposely attacking paultan. Green with jealousy?

LYN moderators need to find a way to monitor/ban the term in the Kopitiam section. Even F&F regulars don't go there to discuss about cars. Can discuss, but it does not work. Can easily take out of context. Kopitiam has gotten out of hand that there is a "Serious Kopitiam" section just for sanity. If you notice the car club section. Almost all have a paultan link in the first few post showing reference to the car. It will be slightly problematic for the TS to just find new links for something that is already "V23" few years down the road.

F&F too sometimes get out of hand with serial offenders, however these are easily spotted.

Disagreement will exists because we are human however not to the point of degrading a person. When degrading a person starts, meaning whatever which is said (how painful that can be) is true and that the offending party has no idea how to rebuttal the comment and the only way to rebut the comment is to attack the personality of a person. That is how I see it anyway.

This post has been edited by mystvearn: Feb 10 2015, 05:07 PM

I apologise for the inconvenience that my Facebook comment has caused for F&F users when it comes to the links you mentioned. The context of the comment I made was kopitiam, I am sorry that that F&F users have become 'collateral damage' in this aspect.

Bear in mind this was a comment made on my own private Facebook wall, and the post was set to Friends Only. It was not a public notice. The comment was made in the context of kopitiam - links posted in the various threads in F&F are usually just used to support an existing discussion, not to anchor an entire thread.

There was a thread on Kopitiam where many defamatory statements were posted about our website and editorial team. Whom I will anytime stand up for and defend. And so I did.

Among the various statements that were posted were that we were so corrupt that we would rate a trishaw better than an F1 car, and that we would sell our mothers if we were paid enough money.

We reported these posts to the moderation team and some but not all were removed. We were not satisfied with the decision of the moderation team leaving so many defamatory posts online. We thought since they were not removed, the moderation team must somehow agree with those posts and thought they were OK?

It was then that in my frustration I brought up the fact that the kopitiam forum has so many threads that were opened with the first post simply having 100% our text and a selection of images, hotlinked from our site. Hotlinked means we pay for the bandwidth hosting the images. Imagine that - kopitiam threads using our content and bandwidth, and yet threads that are opened purely to slander us were left online without a satisfactory response to reports. That's not fair, right?

So yes, that's how I came to write that Friends-only comment on my personal FB wall. But the issue is really not the content but the defamatory discussions. Sorry it caused an inconvenience for you guys.

This post has been edited by paultantk: Feb 10 2015, 06:11 PM

that pretty much explains everything.

personally, i would just ignore/take it with a pinch of salt from ANYTHING that come out of kopitiam. (maybe an exception if it is from serious kopitiam, but hey.)

OK, one local website removed from my fav list

this is no way to treat your readers

"A forum full of defamatory clowns"

"They are all anonymous cowards on a forum"

"Retards..."

hi.

firstly thank you to the mod team for removing the offending thread. once i found this out i removed my fb post immediately.

i just want to clarify that the comments above were taken out of context.

my original FB post said "Lost patience. Time to bring out the legal guns."

i was referring to going after the people who were posting the defamatory messages.

the first message was actually a response to my friend Afnan who asked me:

"To whom?? Not me right? Lol"

to which i replied: "A forum full of defamatory clowns."

i was referring to the posters in the offending thread.

second message was a response to my friend Daniel who asked me:

"Do I know any of them ?"

to which i replied: "They are all anonymous cowards on a forum." (the posters in the offending thread to which we were considering legal action against)

And then the third message, my friend Shahrul said:

"/k are full of retards bro. lol"

to which i replied: "Retards can be charged in a court of law too."

In no way were I making those statements in reference to our readers and LYN forumers in general or LYN management, i am sorry if i let anyone to believe otherwise

This post has been edited by paultantk: Feb 10 2015, 08:01 PM

This thread worth a share to Kopitiam.

no.

i think i've stepped enough toes on this matter. all we wanted was for the defamatory statements to be removed. sorry once again for the trouble.

edit: sorry ignore!

This post has been edited by Currylaksa: Feb 10 2015, 08:11 PM

i find that comment stupid .........
1. first why not disable hot linking ? so no one can hot link it.
2. your content on public domain and millions of bot is grabbing it, why not taking action on the person and instead of this forum ? first for you to sue is GOOGLE.
Base on site population and popularity, you are far away from lowyat forum, so what benefit from lowyat forum gain from you ?

+1 for disable hotlinking.

Contents and postings on /k should be taken with a pinch of salt. No need to go name calling by calling people 'clowns', because it does not make you any better than them.

many feeling hurted liao in /k tered

best is just disable hotlink and remove all paul tan content

no need argue who right who left who up who down

senang cerita: paul tan tak suka LYN share posting dia, maka LYN tak share posting dia

Oh dear,... This is like a scene out of the movie the chef.

well, while he shouldnt take /k seriously. but he have his rights

you are completely right. the comment was made in the heat of the moment and i removed the entire post from my personal fb wall later.

interesting.... wonder is it anyhow related to many ppl now accusing paultan website are getting paid to promote Ron95 ?

Some are more sensitive than others/most. We must take that into account, and be fair to everyone. It's only fair to retaliate with such polite name calling, after having his/her/their share of abuse in /k

se7en Why don't just block the whole paultan website nor anylink to they website. I don't really like to read any review from paultan and they aren't that really professional in term of reviewing cars.. I don't mine if your side block paultan here LYN

This post has been edited by Night Fox: Feb 10 2015, 08:29 PM

who care ......
this is internet world, with this type of behavior, wondering how far it can go .......

agree .... +1

why not read THE site user comment ? it even worst .....

It was already done forum wide I believe

yay! removed. Good.

There are many trolls in /k/opitiam... just report them next time.

+9999999

cant agreed more

well this are exactly what ppl do in forums. we spoke, we gossip, we tell stories and all of that with link of course..... pity if we can tell how bad / great a story of a website just because the owner is worried of the traffic not going to his site.... oh well, his site, he can do whatever he wants....

I am sad because paultan has been my fav website when it comes to sharing automobile information. And it gets criticize and bashing by ppl and has to be resorted to blocking it.

I wish this issue can be resolved immediately.

It's Kopitiam. You wanna serious, go to RWI section.

I feel pity to some people that is so butthurt over anonymous in internet.

I guess the next thing they would want is a disclaimer in bold red (size 14) at the top of the first post in Kopitiam saying 'DON'T TREAT ANYTHING IN THIS THREAD SERIOUSLY'.

the way i look at it , its so pity that he is shallow.
he could get more coverage by people talking about even linking his website here. perhaps having 40 out of 1000 forumers trash talking him is making him less reputable , if thats the case i guees the 40 does make some sense

anyway its his website so here goes nothing.

Can't hotlink from <link removed>?

Hotlink from LYN's sister site autofreaks then!

http://www.autofreaks.com/

se7en approves.

This post has been edited by V12Kompressor: Feb 10 2015, 09:40 PM

test test

So we all start promoting autofreak to become better than paultan itself..cool..Next time we link with autofreak.

Thank you!

Marketing 101

Opportunity are meant to be seized, especially when the thing that occupies a particualr status quo goes 404.

He should be grateful that many are using his site

That shows how popular his site is

LYN can just boycott paultan

This post has been edited by Lumiaaa: Feb 10 2015, 09:43 PM

Sorry Paul. Stuff on the Internet should be taken with a grain of salt and not up the arse. Wise words from /k people. And truth be told a lot of /k visits your site despite saying crap. But with this probably not so much anymore.

We at Autofreaks.com will strive to get news to you guys soonest possible

pls get your site layout arranged in a better way. look at jalopnik. clean and chronological order.

Will definitely look into that. There are some issues that will be needed to be ironed out.

Hang on

This post has been edited by ericmaxman: Feb 10 2015, 09:54 PM

dayum.. popcorn time

You won't see posts from Paul Tan's Automotive News in News Feed.

That bcoz that was not you...easy for u to say la.

Many stupid comment in /k I believe made by skool kid who know nothing...

Can't we just announce http://www.autofreaks.com/ as our official automobiles news partner ?

I am sure we can come up with something

1st) pls dont say every car is good/god car/best bang for your bucks/Very interested/worth it

If so why you are not driving it as your daily ride

Depends on the car, of course not every car will be a god car.

just highlight the bad point as well... like the some case of HR-V good good good.. in end test drive sluggish

second minus or reduce your portong fanboyism

famoust in /k/ for that

This post has been edited by thpace: Feb 10 2015, 10:18 PM

Thanks for the heads up

you got my support for autofreaks..

after the PT ron95 review.. sorry, im leaving..

Thank you!

a blessing in disguise huh...

/k/ tard here. autofreaks looks good. bookmarked. goodbye pauline

Lel paultan. didnt know he is kiasu.

This post has been edited by pikacu: Feb 10 2015, 11:12 PM

this Pon Tan is probably sore because LYN has more traffic than his site. lel

block his profile as well

wow, such threat. definitely wont even click any link to your site anymoar. lol.

That would be suppression of freedom of speech

There isn't such need to self-downgrade to such level.

This paultan site sucks big time and I hope he's reading it now. All they ever got are current news, they don't get or publish insider news. Whatever content that they have are just current product launches and some spy shots. I bet his buttocks he doesn't even know that the all new Civic in 2016 will have 1.5 turbo engines

This post has been edited by James Bum: Feb 10 2015, 10:46 PM

1. bookmarked autofreaks
2. removed pauline from bookmark

done!

lol of course traffic wise how to hantam LYN site.. look at property bubble alone is enough lor di lol

lets see only few good comments and the rest are trolls lol

se7en

you should promote autofreaks as much as possible.

pretty sure they make more than you do.

Removed Paul Tan website ...time for Auto Freaks & other local car review sites.

not sure why autofreaks.com is in my company block page list.. inappropriate contents? haha

Hey what do u means by /K is retard ??? i need explanation on that particular work, cause i'm one of them.

maybe this is why



already re-submitted the categorization

Really? Why? RON95 infact is very good article from PT. It just that malaysian people still have the mindset of RON97 is the better fuel no matter what facts you throw in.

I see autofreaks is promising, Chris Wee writes very interesting articles. They're original features that feels drawn from his experience, really great read.

You guys gotta fix your layout, I think I've commented before I can't even find search function! I just checked and still can't find it

Indexing is also important, it's not easy to navigate around older posts

Also, it's been awhile since your last youtube video. Shoot more video guys!

The comment by PT is unwarranted. Not cool.

This post has been edited by Human Nature: Feb 10 2015, 11:29 PM

Cant believe some well known people in the automotive industry ( in fact a leader for me ) felt butthurt with retarded anonymous comments over the internet.

Its like Justin Bieber hunting his haters down lol.
Taylor Swift once said: Haters gonna Hate.

Guess who have the most hatred afterall.
Lmfao

He edi apologised and removed it, so let it go... let it gooo

Really, other people should be considerate too. PT worked hard to build his site, of course it hurts other people not only lack courtesy, but make tasteless insults on him/his crew.

PT can't afford to be as bold as Top Gear, they're not as influential as them. TG can insult and be racist, and they'll get away with it cuz their brand is that powerful.

So better PT be called sold to their advertisers than to irk them and lose it all. Haters gonna hate anyway, PT better just mind their own business and jaga their own rice bowl.

some /k comment slandering the reviewers team of taking bribe and being is more not "cool" than being called a clown and retard

then he should deal with that particular posters only. at the same time, he could have use this as a platform to clarify things and get feedback on which part could be further improved, etc.

This post has been edited by Human Nature: Feb 10 2015, 11:53 PM

work hard, screwed hard.. thats PT.

some more use own name. its just going to be shit for him lifetime!

to do a real control test, you need to consider the variables
in this case,

fixed variable/control - the engine of the car basically same performance and spec

non-fixed/test variable - RON 95 or RON 97

His method of review even by engineering standards is rudimentary, unless the driver is a robot no one have the same driving habit.

he claimed tat they switch drivers along the journey. This actually make the result even worse because now u are swapping different driving habits on all the tested vehicles which theoretically increased the randomness of the result. If one driving drive all the way until finish, at least he can claim consistent result by assuming tat one person have the same driving habit all the way. Then go to the next car and drive the same way as before. (More credible than swapping drivers)
Now u are swapping 4 different fellow in one car an expect a consistent result?

what he should do on in his so call real situation test is employed a dyno tester machine.. No not the kind tat improve your engine performance but rather the lab dyno testing used in university mechanical lab or engine test plant (both proton and p2 have it )

this is small lab type for university students to do lab test


And this is better dyno enginer performance (K&N)


I am too lazy how to explain how it works but it can be used to test diff fuel type and engine performance

Publishing the result based on control lab test is more credible than i drive on road and here is my result. If u are writing scientific paper and this is your methodology, the professor will laugh and throw your paper into the bin.

fuuuu 2003 punye acc
rule no 1
/kopitiam is a troll den
i think u lurk lyn.net long enough since 2003
so why get ur self but hurt over a stupid comment?

gud for them..so no need to make stupid comment

Can't agree more. That fb post of his it sums it all. High handedness approach with houlier than thou attitude. They should take/k less seriously.

No more pt for me.

The last bit is quite irony. You'll see the comment if Paultan really did a control test. They will rubbish it and ask for 'real-world' test to use Saga and Myvi.

The fact still doesn't change that using higher number RON give benefit for normal engine compression ratio. What i believe is the different additives added to the fuel itself that produce different result. Not the RON.