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SUSwankongyew
post Mar 2 2015, 10:12 AM

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Looks like TGUAN released an awful quarterly report and its price duly crashed.
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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Mar 2 2015, 10:12 AM)
Looks like TGUAN released an awful quarterly report and its price duly crashed.
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Awful is an understatement...... sweat.gif
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post Mar 2 2015, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 2 2015, 10:29 AM)
Awful is an understatement......  sweat.gif
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Looks like TGUAN released an awful quarterly report and its price duly crashed.


BTFD whistling.gif

As mentioned by Edge on 21st January:
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Insider Asia’s Stock Of The Day: Thong Guan Industries


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The slump in crude oil prices — and therefore lower resin raw material costs — coupled with the weakening ringgit are expected to be a boon for Thong Guan, a major exporter of plastic packaging products....The recent strengthening of the US dollar will translate into higher sales and profit margins for Thong Guan


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topearn
post Mar 2 2015, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(zDarkForceSz @ Feb 27 2015, 06:16 PM)
you used condom or not?
if yes then why 30% growth not sustainable?  brows.gif
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People get married and thus stop using condom.

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post Mar 2 2015, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(Le Don @ Mar 2 2015, 09:22 PM)
BTFD  whistling.gif

As mentioned by Edge on 21st January:
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If you are in the game long enough, you would know Insider Asia writeups tends to be lacking....

Putting money based on their writeups (or others) is extremely risky.....

Same with writeups on AirAsia, no?
All say cheap oil will be good.....but incredibly they chose to ignore many important factors.


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post Mar 2 2015, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(topearn @ Mar 2 2015, 10:02 PM)
People get married and thus stop using condom.
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Are you sure?
Now apa pun mahal, to raise a kiddo, you need to think, rethink and think again.
You want pakai ke x mau pakai? icon_question.gif
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post Mar 2 2015, 10:38 PM

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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-worlds-r...-181201159.html
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post Mar 3 2015, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(zDarkForceSz @ Mar 2 2015, 10:36 PM)
Are you sure?
Now apa pun mahal, to raise a kiddo, you need to think, rethink and think again.
You want pakai ke x mau pakai?  icon_question.gif
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Boleh 'cut' mah.. then no need dom dom.. tongue.gif
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post Mar 3 2015, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 2 2015, 10:34 PM)
laugh.gif

If you are in the game long enough, you would know Insider Asia writeups tends to be lacking....

Putting money based on their writeups (or others) is extremely risky.....

Same with writeups on AirAsia, no?
All say cheap oil will be good.....but incredibly they chose to ignore many important factors.
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So.. Ah Boon's writeup mana? hmm.gif
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post Mar 3 2015, 11:54 AM

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unker @gark, can provide some insight about insas-pa? never deal with preference shares before. 4 cents dividend is a must to pay or company has the rights not to pay?
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post Mar 3 2015, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(holybo @ Mar 3 2015, 11:54 AM)
unker @gark, can provide some insight about insas-pa? never deal with preference shares before. 4 cents dividend is a must to pay or company has the rights not to pay?
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Must pay every year until expiry of preference shares or shares redeemed at fixed price of RM1.

Even company losing money etc.. also must pay one, like bond. laugh.gif

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This post has been edited by gark: Mar 3 2015, 11:57 AM
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post Mar 3 2015, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 3 2015, 11:56 AM)
Must pay every year until expiry of preference shares or shares redeemed at fixed price of RM1.

Even company losing money etc.. also must pay one, like bond.  laugh.gif

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Preference shares - no voting right if I were not mistaken
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post Mar 3 2015, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 3 2015, 11:51 AM)
Boleh 'cut' mah.. then no need dom dom..  tongue.gif
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Nanti sudah got money, but cannot make baby liao. T.T
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QUOTE(holybo @ Mar 3 2015, 11:54 AM)
unker @gark, can provide some insight about insas-pa? never deal with preference shares before. 4 cents dividend is a must to pay or company has the rights not to pay?
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Its like borrowing money from you thus its interest and must be paid to you. I dont know why people are selling. I bet Insas boss try to confuse public to con them to sell. I read the announcement and it seem like the RPS can be redeem anytime at RM1 value. So why the need to sell dirt cheap?
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post Mar 3 2015, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 3 2015, 11:56 AM)
Must pay every year until expiry of preference shares or shares redeemed at fixed price of RM1.

Even company losing money etc.. also must pay one, like bond.  laugh.gif

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but... i read about htis

"In general, preferred stock has preference in dividend payments. The preference does not assure the payment of dividends, but the company must pay the stated dividends on preferred stock before paying any dividends on common stock"

hence, not a must tongue.gif
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post Mar 3 2015, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(holybo @ Mar 3 2015, 12:44 PM)
but... i read about htis

"In general, preferred stock has preference in dividend payments. The preference does not assure the payment of dividends, but the company must pay the stated dividends on preferred stock before paying any dividends on common stock"

hence, not a must  tongue.gif
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http://www.intellecpoint.com/2015/03/insas-pa.html

Calculated Insas-PA at 8.65% interest rate.. tongue.gif
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post Mar 3 2015, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 3 2015, 12:50 PM)
http://www.intellecpoint.com/2015/03/insas-pa.html

Calculated Insas-PA at 8.65% interest rate.. tongue.gif
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buy more then? 10 consecutive years of profit, won't suddenly bankrupt i guess

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 3 2015, 11:52 AM)
So.. Ah Boon's writeup mana?  hmm.gif
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...where got use one.......... laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


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post Mar 3 2015, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(holybo @ Mar 3 2015, 12:44 PM)
but... i read about htis

"In general, preferred stock has preference in dividend payments. The preference does not assure the payment of dividends, but the company must pay the stated dividends on preferred stock before paying any dividends on common stock"

hence, not a must  tongue.gif
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If you see the history of Insas-LA (Loan stock), Insas has been paying interest consistently from 2002 until 2007.

Lets see the what is the profile of Insas-PA in the prospectus... on the payment.

Interest rate : 4% paid every 6 months (5 years)
Redeemable at RM 1 by Insas ANYTIME before maturity
Cannot convert to Insas Shares
Can combine Insas-PA with Insas-Wa in exchange for 1 Insas ordinary share
No voting rights

On the consistency of dividends.

1. Priority dividend compared to other shareholders
2. In case of insolvency, the RM 1 is in preference to be paid, ordinary shareholders get nothing

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post Mar 3 2015, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(holybo @ Mar 3 2015, 01:04 PM)
buy more then? 10 consecutive years of profit, won't suddenly bankrupt i guess
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Remember interest payment = No Tax but no e-dividend also, they send check to your house.. mad.gif

A lot of people dont know this but you can combine 1 LA + 1 WA = 1 new share..

Might have some arbitage oppurtunity here.. hmm.gif

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