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post Jan 8 2018, 04:08 PM

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reit continues de-rating....
waiting rabbits....
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post Jan 8 2018, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(foofoosasa @ Jan 8 2018, 04:45 PM)
aim which one  laugh.gif share a bit  brows.gif  blush.gif
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axreit,mqreit, igbreit biggrin.gif
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post Jan 9 2018, 02:43 AM

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QUOTE(jutamind @ Jan 8 2018, 06:22 PM)
AXREIT target berapa? Mau join jugak
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1.42 already bought in 1st batch, since my target for axreit is above net yield 5.5%.
will wait for 1.35 to consider buying in 2nd batch.

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post Jan 9 2018, 02:45 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jan 8 2018, 07:43 PM)
ibgREIT my target 😊
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this one i wait at 1.55 biggrin.gif
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post Jan 9 2018, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 9 2018, 10:14 AM)
Reit market is anticipating a rate rise in near term, until the interest rate issue being cleared up, reit market may still under depress for sometimes,
but I do not think it will be more than 0.25%, max 0.5% at least until year end.

Personally target
Axreit- 1.40
IGbreit - 1.55
Mqreit - 1.20
YTLreit - 1.15 <-- this is least being affected local issue (like BNM rate rise, properties glut, as bulk of income is contributed by Australia hotels.)

Buy in tranches with every 3-5 cents drop is downturn is preferred as we do not know when it is the bottom.
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post Jan 11 2018, 10:59 PM

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rate hike fear continues spreading fear on related assets, inclusive REIT and Bond.
china recently said to find US bond no longer attractive. Guess bond bear will emerge.
REIT is still worrisome.
I am indecisive if to add more MReit at today's bearish situation.
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post Jan 25 2018, 10:11 PM

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sounded a possible 2nd hike this year....that is not good for reit. consider 3.5%, reit with excellent to good asset quality should at least returning a net yield of 5.5%-6%, which means there could be another 5%-10% correction on reits. hmm.gif
of course, if the particular reit able to increase DPU, that would neutralize this number.

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post Jan 26 2018, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(jutamind @ Jan 25 2018, 10:44 PM)
Thinking of swapping UOAREIT to AXREIT, primarily due to concern on office rentals in the near term.

Is it wise to do so even though AXREIT yield is lower?
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i am personally favor the Axreit. One key reason is its asset focus on industrial properties. Second key reason is i have faith for its management team.
uoa group is very well managed too, strong management team. But same concern like you, i am more worry on office assets.
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post Jan 29 2018, 05:20 AM

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QUOTE(return78 @ Jan 27 2018, 09:32 AM)
I would says if one plan to hold REIT counters more than 7 years, collect slowly now could be a good plan.

ow are they preformed during the last recession?
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err....badly, haha! i think share price cut to half like that. laugh.gif

reit reacts like stocks on economy changes most of the time. cool2.gif

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post Feb 6 2018, 10:30 AM

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flash crash, jim cramer said. biggrin.gif

anyone dare to pick up some rabbits? laugh.gif

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post Feb 8 2018, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(Paddy Teddington @ Feb 8 2018, 08:09 AM)
I also bought pavreit yesterday. Seems good at current valuation
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today fast rebound to 1.51. At this price, forward net yield could be around 5.25%, still not a bad one, but i prefer above 5.5% (price below 1.44) because of rate hike environment as well as stiff retail mall competition.

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post Feb 13 2018, 11:00 PM

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US bond yield rise, fear spread. Expecting to reach 3.5% by 2018.
Malaysia rate? if another one round hike of 0.25%, that would be 3.5% as well.
To add a gap of 2-2.5%, MReit net yield of 5.5-6% would be reasonable, for office reit, i'll add another 0.5% which becomes 6.5% net yield.

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post Feb 15 2018, 08:05 AM

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QUOTE(foofoosasa @ Feb 14 2018, 09:27 AM)
the last time we almost reach bond yield 3.5 was 2011. but the time if I am not mistaken there is an event that S&P & Moody downgraded US bond itself lol  laugh.gif .

risk premium for 2.0-3.0% is still consider low premium IMO. sometimes I just feel that the local institution fund here is too much money going for only very few quality companies for the sake of compliance and window dressing.

I guess the average yield after tax in Sgreits still higher than Mreits ?
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In fact, looking at Axreit, its current price is very similar to its price in 2011-2012. Meaning, if we invested during that time, until today, we are getting almost zero capital gain, but receiving yield of about 5.5% every year. Not fantastic, just slightly better than a store of cash value. However, if we put in ringgit depreciation, the return become pretty unsatisfying. And the risk? actually not small. For instance, we are watching last time's beauty such as cmmt becomes today's risky asset.


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post Feb 15 2018, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 15 2018, 09:32 AM)
Receiving a yield of 2~3% premium over 7 years period, means reit generate nearly 20% more than Cash(FD) over the period.

Don't look down the extra 2~3%, it could be significant over the long term.
Yes, I agreed risk is never small to start with.

As investors, we need to react to individual reit fundamental change.
CMMT fundamental is not the same as last time out.
Secondary mall outlook bleak + interest rate hike, double whammy.
But it may look attractive, if continue being sold down.

Reit won't have fantastic return over the long term, it is a yield play like bond, instead of equity.

For currency depreciation, every stock in KLSE also suffer the faith, not limited to reit.

This is reason, I would like to see MReit venture into overseas property, just like YTLreit
YTLreit is benefit from RM depreciation, through its Australia properties.

I understand how reit holders feeling, as current it is a reit bear market.
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thanks for the insight.

ya, now the biggest frustration is how long will this reit bear market long. As we all know, in coming one or two years, rate hike environment most likely going to continue. In addition to that, how long the bear market on property market going to last, which has been 2 to 3 years so far, are we looking at another 2 years? or 3? i've no idea. Those "experts" have been saying recovery since last year, which never happen yet.

you are right, if we have more mreits with international exposure would be nice choice for us.

When we put money to FD in malaysia, we almost never have to worry at all. Bond is a different story though, risk is still quite high.
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post Feb 21 2018, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 21 2018, 10:12 AM)
Reit are "battled" across due to rate hike recently, as well as potential mall and office space oversupply.

I guess reit market may be correcting to old day yield of 6.x~7.x% before bottoming.
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if that's the case, then it's a sell for today and wait for better re-entry point laugh.gif

at this moment, net yield is at around 5.5%-6.5%, so we need another 10% price drop to reach 6%-7% net yield. hmm.gif

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QUOTE(GetHappy @ Feb 21 2018, 06:27 PM)
US is actually looking at a  4 times hike this year with quarter basis point each time.

Most likely BNM (i wrote BN than i realise i forgot the M) will follow 3 times, our interest rate for Dec'17 went up very slightly.

Pretty bullish on 6 to 7% divvy yield.
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i agree with Cherroy, malaysia unlikely to hike 3 times this year. I think 2 times the most. However, it's hard to say if next year would continue to hike one or two times. Anyhow, interest rate of 4% is consider "too high" for malaysia i think. If it ever reaches there, economy may suffer serious slowdown and business activities (and of course, stock market valuation) will slow down.

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post Feb 23 2018, 01:20 AM

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grabbed some MQReit at 1.16 biggrin.gif
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post Feb 23 2018, 01:20 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 22 2018, 10:23 AM)
For malls reit, outside of so called "top malls", I won't consider at all.
In current situation, IGBreit is actually blessed with no "diversification", and only has the only "top malls", which spared from secondary malls oversupply.
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very nice put, so true. thumbup.gif

pavilion is a great mall, but not its other assets. And for future potential injections, the pavilion elite is fine, but F88 still not a great asset (yet), mainly because for competition vise (particularly competing with pavilion), it required unique characters which is still not strong enough, besides having a few popular stores such as uniqlo, Shoopen.

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post Feb 28 2018, 05:04 AM

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mreit's bear market had arrived....and for how long? well, nobody knows. grab your seat and watch the show biggrin.gif

i'd been worrying on mreit since rate hike began....i'd been keep on calculating the yield rise (aka price drop) percentage according to potential rate hike effect.... hmm.gif

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post Feb 28 2018, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(return78 @ Feb 28 2018, 09:12 AM)
So, are u increased or decreased ur dividend portfolio now.. or still staying at sideline?
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dividend portfolio? for those with higher EPS growth potential (not reit), i've no worry at all.
as for reit portfolio, i still have some, now sideline, wondering if i should start selling. I should have sold at least half of them 6 months ago while i was quite worried on rate hike effect.


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