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post Oct 15 2015, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 15 2015, 10:22 AM)

Not only this, I know a number of property stock with net cash, no borrowing, but selling a discount to its NAV, while still have constant dividend every year.

Property stocks if keep on sliding, may present good opportunity for longer term.
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I have started accumulating property stocks with high yield such as huayang, tambun, mahsing, matrix etc. which ranged from 5.6%-7.4% by IBs' average yield forecast. Mahsing is in net cash position after fund raising and abandon of landbank purchase. However, for NAV/RNAV valuation, they are still not cheap. Only those who "usually" build high end properties such as Trop and Malton are trading at large discount to NAV/RNAV.
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post Oct 15 2015, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 15 2015, 02:54 PM)
Bit by bit lar bro.
If too many variables to ponder, Paralysis Through Analysis.. (i was guilty of PTA too tongue.gif )

i consider myself "newbie" to SGX - still doing via MY broker to buy (mostly) & sell (hardly).
the forex will eventually iron itself out if we are doing it consistently yearly (heheh - no $ to do monthly ma)
AND.. the added bonus of "currency value diversification" from only RM & USD (yes - i saw U in the US stocks thread/topic  brows.gif )

Just sharing a PTA's view - no right, wrong, just wong  laugh.gif
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haha! wong it is. tongue.gif

ya, i'm now heavily in usd (and hkd, but hkd currently still highly linked with usd too), about 70% already, only left 30% in RM stocks now. I think it's a good idea to diversify some into sgd assets/stocks. Perhaps to sell some hkd stocks to buy sgd reit to minimize currency risk for today as RM is so weak that hesitate to sell even more. biggrin.gif

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post Oct 15 2015, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(foofoosasa @ Oct 15 2015, 03:20 PM)
Hkd is almost equivalents to usd vs myr.currency already earn more than 20% if you buy something in usd)/Hkd a year ago. tongue.gif hmm I am doing opposite to you since I acquired more myr assets these few months. For Malaysian investor who would like to invest overseas now, using myr is not really that attractive at least for me .
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oh i started buying hk/us stocks in 2013, so those first batch had currency rate earned >35% already. lucky me. laugh.gif

it's really difficult to predict RM's near future move, mainly because of our current, probably one of the worst government since independent day, still in charge of the country. However, economy vice, the move since few years ago to lower dependency on oil income is a great one though, can't deny it.

we now highly depends on new foreign investment in order to boost economy to better position. But with government's bad integrity image today, I can't imagine what could happen. There are many choices for these foreign companies to look into, although Malaysia's infrastructure is still one of the good one in emerging economy.

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post Oct 23 2015, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 23 2015, 04:08 PM)
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Any big changes after CMMt takes over?  tongue.gif
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cmmt just bought only, how can change so fast? tongue.gif
however, cmmt buy it after it has better crowd, actually i think just about a year or so time. Before that, it was very quiet.
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post Oct 21 2016, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 21 2016, 10:16 AM)
CMMT's just released its Q report.
Sg. Wang continues to be a big drag on its income.
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ya....can see that when visiting sg wang.
however, i feel the "hard to get worse from here"....

LRT station will be completing by end-2017? or other time frame?
i think, this will be a very powerful catalyst for sg wang...throughout the world, i never see any shopping place not crowded when it's beside a major big station.
besides, sg wang has become smaller and smaller part of cmmt's total revenue after some injections in past few years.

oh, btw, i personally do not own any cmmt shares today. Used to , but sold off because of sg wang fear...i think about 2 years ago. I do considering to reenter, just waiting for my "margin of safety" to enter... haha!
the only reit i am holding until today is axreit, all others (sunreit, pavreit, cmmt etc) had been sold throughout the year(s).
another reit i am considering to "re-enter" (sort of, since it had changed corporate structure) is MQReit. Very strong management and company background, high yield, but rather risky assets (office).

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post Aug 26 2017, 01:20 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 9 2017, 09:45 AM)
In term of income stability and improvement
My personal view is
IGB - Axis - MQ

But in term of current yield attraction.
MQ-Axis-IGB

3 of them are quite a stable reit.
But their properties portfolio are different.
So it depends on one preference.

So far only one Mreit is having exposure to overseas property, that is Ytlreit which benefit from AUD appreciation.
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thinking, if 2 years later, MQ's yield dropped 10%, where Axis's yield surged 10%, their net yield would (according to IB's forecast FY17 by today) become MQ->5.31% and Axis->5.5%.
it's tricky to look in the future, and it's very hard to predict. laugh.gif

as for industrial assets vs office assets, i'd think industrial assets stand on a better position looking forward 5 years in the future, when taking into account of booming online transactions. hmm.gif
what do you think?

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post Aug 26 2017, 01:46 AM

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QUOTE(CP88 @ Aug 26 2017, 01:38 AM)
Wah long time no c you in MY stocks already.  wave.gif
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haha! ya, outside world are much more interesting. laugh.gif
how are you? long time no "see". biggrin.gif
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post Sep 12 2017, 07:28 PM

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tempting to buy Axreit, but yield is quite low....unless its income can increase at least 8% yoy ahead.
surprisingly, reit's performance has been stable, not affected by world's broadly heading towards rate hike (although in very slow pace).

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post Sep 12 2017, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Aug 29 2017, 02:24 PM)
You can read some write up Kepple DC reit, I was also wanted to invest in that, but further reading makes me think twice. Especially the low yield and potentially high capex later which potentially can lower the dividend. (Same story with APTV). Kepple DC currently have 75% of the customers on co-location. 25% is on double and triple net lease (which is safe, as you are renting out the 'shell' only).

Servers do not come cheap, and being computers they have pretty short lifespan. After a customer leave, a new customers might demand faster processor, more storage, faster switches, bigger gigabit fiber etc etc. A server rack lifespan is about 5 years the most, i think. And old servers sells for peanuts..

A server building also require very good air conditioning to keep the racks cool, some even come with water circulation and backup genset. All these also have lower lifespan. You can say malls are also the same, but a server rooms runs on so much more heat than humans do..24 hours a day, the air conditioning on server farms are a beast.

http://investmentmoats.com/money-managemen...keppel-dc-reit/

http://singaporeanstocksinvestor.blogspot....investment.html
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Intersting! Thanks for sharing.

After reading your given info, me too, not interesting in investing this type of reit. Risk is too high as it has very low flexibility and very limited potential clients. Unless it's an in-house Data Center for big companies such as Apple or Tencent etc., at least has no worry on getting clients.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 12 2017, 10:19 PM)
Fed is not expected to raise rate further, hence we see no impact on reit in global scale.
There was a sell down on reit last year end when Fed finally made a move, but since after that all quiet down.

Mreit is more localised, it has yet become internationalised reit market (typical like Sreit) whereby foreign participant in MReit is still rather low, so local interest rate is more relevant.
And local interest rate is not expected to rise.
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really? i was thinking Fed may raise another 0.5%-1% in the next 2-3 years.
as for malaysia, a raise of 0.5% looks possible if GDP able to continue current trend of 4.5%-5.5% growth in the next 2-3 years.

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QUOTE(Sand Dust @ Sep 12 2017, 09:38 PM)
Speak to your IT friends. The future trend is to go cloud so that they pay per use and don't need to invest in physical servers, security and backup. So there will be an increase in demand.

SG even though is high cost, but they do attract big data centers to be built here (compare to say MY) bcoz of fantastic infra connectivity, reliable and safe.

Offices are oversupply, malls the same, so only industrial warehouse (e-commerce) and DC should be the upcoming potential growth.
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my worry is about competition on such data center type warehouses, not about cloud industry's growth potential. Cloud providers such as Alibaba or Amazon, they are the one dominating data center's growth, and they can always just build their own data center instead of go out to rent other company's warehouse. Meaning, if it's a Alibaba's in-house data center REIT, then it's a good buy.


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post Sep 12 2017, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(Sand Dust @ Sep 12 2017, 09:40 PM)
Bcoz MY interest rate not expected to increase due to high family debts.

US interest rate hike should slow down based on last 2Q sudden drop in inflation.
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ya, probably this is the case.
they are looking at short term, not long term.

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post Sep 15 2017, 01:50 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Sep 14 2017, 11:16 AM)
Even compared to other M-reit.. still low..

My average Mreit holding is currently about 6%-6.5% (Not on cost, based on market price)

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that would be....those low profile ones, with low profile assets....higher risk for unpredictable management. Still remember many years ago, many people here interested on Arreit for its very high yield. Later, its yield dropped unexpectedly for unaware clients moving out of its assets. And huge price dropped afterwards for many years. I didn't follow it since, so not sure how was it today. laugh.gif

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post Sep 15 2017, 08:40 AM

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QUOTE(Sand Dust @ Sep 15 2017, 07:37 AM)
Not unpredictable Mgmt, just the High Five Bread maker (remember?) bankrupt and overdue in payment to ARREIT, and refuse to move out till court finally get them to move out. They are also focus in office which facing oversupply. They shifting focus to industrial and hospitality assets now.
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thanks for the info and update.
anyhow, Arreit is not under my radar list. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(gark @ Sep 15 2017, 08:51 AM)
Not all low profiles ones are bad.. there are gems out there too..  Areit.. is not my cup of tea.. all grade B/C properties..  dry.gif
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how about hektar? tempting....consider its RI should be about 15% dilution to earnings? So its last 4 quarters' DPU of 11.6 sen should become 9.86 sen. That means net yield of 6.93%. Taking a safety of margin of -8% rental reversion/AEI for 2018, that goes 6.37%. hmm.gif

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post Sep 15 2017, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Sep 15 2017, 09:22 AM)
There is a gap between the RI completion and purchase of the new property. This could be 2Q worth before the new purchase can contribute meaningfully.

During this time I would expect DPU per Q to fall to ~2c before recovering back to ~2.4c, after the new property contributes. So share prices will remain weak, for now.

Also note that the last 4c divvy after RI is for 5 months. SO the next divvy is likely ~0.8 (1 month +dilution). This could be a shocker for people who did not calculate properly.  brows.gif

When people panic...  innocent.gif
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Thanks for the details.

In addition to that, at this stage, I'm not confident on the performance of Subang Parade and Mahkota Parade. Hektar has plan for big AEI on Subang Parade, hopefully that could safe it, but as Hektar's debt is quite high, DPU downward risk remains high for any extra expenses and lower rental reversion/occupancy rate.
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post Sep 19 2017, 09:40 PM

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OK, my current short listed REITs: MQReit, Hektar, CMMT, Axreit.
Please drops more, i'm still waiting for rabbits to come.... cool2.gif

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post Sep 20 2017, 09:09 AM

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cimb report said 10-year MGS yield drops to 3.9% vs last year peak at 4.4%.
probably that's why reit has been rallying recent months.
correction is landing at the moment, hopefully more rabbits jumping around... cool2.gif
those best assets reits such as pavreit and igbreit still sky high with very low yield.... hmm.gif

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post Sep 20 2017, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Sep 20 2017, 09:13 AM)
No more fat rabbits lar.. even the trump scare in Nov/Dec 2016 also no effect to MReits.. yawn.gif

But on other hand in Sreits lots of bargains during the scare.  thumbup.gif

Better look elsewhere.  tongue.gif
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i still kind of worry on Singapore's property future....its unfriendly relationship with china, dangerous replacement in the making to highly affect Singapore port trading business, and its already sky high property price.
Another rather long term and minor reason, the possible emerging power of Johor Iskandar (to see Singapore investors moving their property to Iskandar for much lower costs).
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QUOTE(gark @ Sep 20 2017, 09:39 AM)
SREITs is not just SG properties.. there are lots of listed REITs in SG with property in US, Europe, India, Indonesia, China, HK, Aussie, Japan etc...

Truly a worldwide REIT offering, and the bonus is 0% dividend tax...  drool.gif

For example my SReit holdings have property concentrations in India, Indonesia, China, SG, Aussie and Japan. No Europe or US yet..  laugh.gif
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I see, so it's not like our Malaysian version of Capital Land REIT kind of reit. laugh.gif

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