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post Jan 25 2017, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 25 2017, 10:32 AM)
Heineken about 4.5%, Nestle about 3%+ je hmm.gif

Big institutional funds generate interest in those REITs, push them prices up, then u ikan bilis chase, they dispose. Else macamana they generate capital gains? whistling.gif
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Nestle is about 3.5% at current prices . Heineken/Carlsberg is about 5%. Both counters has fallen quite a bit from six months ago. There are lots of others solid stocks yielding in 4+% range.

If you compared to something like Al-Aqar reit which is yielding gross 4.12% or 3.7% net, which counter is better?

One got consistent growth the other almost no growth. icon_idea.gif

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post Jan 25 2017, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 25 2017, 11:06 AM)
Sell off then nothing to buy in the market...

This is similar situation facing by fund houses.
Fund houses cannot hold too much cash, they must put money in work.

We can't know for sure it must drop down, it may stay at current level, as when nobody sell, everyone holds, stock price won't go down.

While as time goes, and no buy back, we will miss the next Q DPU.
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I would prefer to recycle rather than sell off.. convert the low yield reits into similar risk higher yielding reits across the border or seriously take a look at some of the yield stocks in KLSE. That is what I am doing now..laugh.gif

But then also keep some to hedge against currency fluctuation.

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post Jan 25 2017, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 25 2017, 02:09 PM)
I will most certainly dump IGBREIT when net yield drops below 4%.

That would be, based on historical dividend, around RM1.87 unsure.gif
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You never know at this craze.. it might happen.. laugh.gif

My reit holdings has already given me 8-10 years of dividend in form of capital appreciation. rclxms.gif

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post Feb 27 2017, 05:21 PM

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Looks like there is a weakening of the overpriced MReit coming.. ? laugh.gif

Most graphs are starting to come down from recent peak.


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post Feb 27 2017, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 27 2017, 10:14 PM)
At least now, their yield is making sense a bit, although still relative low.
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Itching to reinvest my igbreit which i sold off during the price rally. smile.gif
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post Feb 28 2017, 01:52 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 28 2017, 01:33 AM)
Still low yield la whistling.gif

Gateway Mall Bangsar South opened...u no worried? whistling.gif
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Nah.. dont have the size to compete with mid valley.

I still like the reit.. but dont like the price. Will come back if can get 5.5% net yield. smile.gif
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post Feb 28 2017, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 28 2017, 06:36 AM)
RM1.33. Jangan lah shocking.gif
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I not so greedy at 1.40 will sapu ... wink.gif
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post Mar 1 2017, 06:55 PM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Mar 1 2017, 02:51 PM)
i still hv IGBREIT . collected at 1.55 recently.... hmm.. if u waiting 1.40 then i should start to dispose liao.
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Haha, the 1.40 target might never come...

I disposed some at 1.70 and the rest at 1.75
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post Mar 2 2017, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 2 2017, 04:06 PM)
IGBREIT kuat yo biggrin.gif
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Dammit... Go gown... Go down.. sad.gif
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post Mar 6 2017, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Mar 6 2017, 03:37 PM)
aiyo this IGB.. sold all 1.70 now 1.75...
so little div still got people want pay high price?
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Speculative.

IGB Reit mother IGB corp takeover offer by Goldis...
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post Mar 6 2017, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 6 2017, 04:45 PM)
So? REIT also privatise? confused.gif
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Like I say speculative mah... dont think goldis or IGB have the cash to privatize this giant. laugh.gif
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post Mar 7 2017, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 7 2017, 01:37 PM)
CMMT also strong buying interest. I don't think it's due to the Goldis thingy...yield-chasing investors
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Chase what yield? 4+% also mau kah?

Better go buy Carlsberg share, dapat 5%...easy

4+% Not much different compared to FD.. tongue.gif

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post Mar 7 2017, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 7 2017, 01:53 PM)
FD no capital growth tongue.gif

FD no revenue growth tongue.gif

FD no AGM to attend to get freebies tongue.gif
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If compared to carlsberg.. or other yield stock leh? What say u.. tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
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post Aug 22 2017, 02:11 PM

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Added some YTL REIT.. a very low key REIT, most of their assets are master leased (to YTL) and have very long WALE.

Also after the rights issue, they now have some cash to add more properties, hence more future income.

Only thing is forex risk as some properties are overseas. Currently trading at 6.X% yield.

A better choice than all those overvalue REITs.. trading at 4.X yield.

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IMHO the remaining reits which still have ok yield in my opinion area MQ, HEK, YTL and KIP.. but not necessary have 'quality' property.. dry.gif

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post Aug 22 2017, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Aug 22 2017, 04:16 PM)
Bro,... I believed for the RM-denominated REITs, there would not be too much of forex risks because the RM tends to weaken against many currencies of the world,... when the RM weakens, the gross rental collected would be MORE,...

Our SG friends are more nervous abt forex risks because the SGD tends to strengthen against many currencies of the world,....
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If the culprit of 1MDB is captured, I am sure RM will then shoot up the roof..

Currency movements are sometimes mysterious.. and very unpredictable tongue.gif

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post Aug 24 2017, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 23 2017, 09:50 AM)
There is another new properties in the pipeline to inject into YTLreit, Majestic Hotel.
If not mistaken, it is projected to be yield accretion.
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Not a bad deal, 10+5 years on a net 7% yield property, with yearly step up. YTL can afford several more such deals before they hit the limit.

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post Aug 28 2017, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 27 2017, 11:44 AM)
Actually, industrial reit has nothing to do much with online transaction boom.
Manufacturing type of industrial - no effect from online transaction boom
Warehouses - not much changing. Online transaction change the bulk warehouses to smaller transaction, in fact in some circumstance may be negative as well. As some online transaction link directly between direct producer to customer. It eliminated trader/stockist warehouse needs, aka more streamline in supply chain, and get rid of middleman stockist.
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There are new 'type' of warehouse which caters to the online business... although there are no REIT of this type in MY, it exist overseas.

Online warehouses are equipped with racking, tracking, packing and delivery facilities. They also provide manpower to sort/receive and process the online orders.

These are going to be the warehouse of the future, will which eventually replace weaker malls. laugh.gif

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post Aug 29 2017, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 29 2017, 09:59 AM)
Sadly to say, Malaysia online business is not booming as fast pace, as many people are still skeptical about online buying, as many did encounter not so good experience over the course in term of online buying.

Eager to have those kind of reit in the market, so that investors have more choice, instead of only office, industrial or malls.
Even Sg only has 1 data center reit for "newer" type of reit.
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I don't really like Data REITs, high capex once the lease is finished and you need to get a new tenant. New tenant usually have high spec for these kind of properties, for their server to co-locate.
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post Aug 29 2017, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Aug 29 2017, 02:10 PM)
How do you mean, bro,... by high capex once the lease is finished ? Is it that the trustee-mgr need to renovate again at high cost with additional tech specs before renting out to another tenant ? If the premise is not a BTS type, why shld additional specs be added ?
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You can read some write up Kepple DC reit, I was also wanted to invest in that, but further reading makes me think twice. Especially the low yield and potentially high capex later which potentially can lower the dividend. (Same story with APTV). Kepple DC currently have 75% of the customers on co-location. 25% is on double and triple net lease (which is safe, as you are renting out the 'shell' only).

Servers do not come cheap, and being computers they have pretty short lifespan. After a customer leave, a new customers might demand faster processor, more storage, faster switches, bigger gigabit fiber etc etc. A server rack lifespan is about 5 years the most, i think. And old servers sells for peanuts..

A server building also require very good air conditioning to keep the racks cool, some even come with water circulation and backup genset. All these also have lower lifespan. You can say malls are also the same, but a server rooms runs on so much more heat than humans do..24 hours a day, the air conditioning on server farms are a beast.

http://investmentmoats.com/money-managemen...keppel-dc-reit/

http://singaporeanstocksinvestor.blogspot....investment.html

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One note is that, as part of co-location, the customers require Keppel to provide servers. In this case, there may need to be some future capital expenditure unlike other kind of REITs

Different kind of co-location leads to different levels of rental rates. This can range from bare-bones co-location, telecom carrier based co-location and services based co-location. In the first instance, it is very commodity like, and commands the lowest value add, since the REIT is just renting the space based on per square foot or meters. For carrier based, the customer is renting based on connectivity and this as well as the serviced based co-location, is based on the level of capacity, connectivity, ,human factor, security.

Being previously part of situations where i deal with a bare  bones data centre co-location service, there are hidden cost to the customer such as design, capacity, power and security  and space management, not to mention that staff costs have to cater for routine maintenance, deployments as well as fast turn around.

"For Keppel DC REIT, depreciable infrastructure accounts for approximately 70% of the development cost, with the building shell accounting for the remaining 30%.". To be able to sell a depreciating asset at a premium to valuation is a wonderful thing. It is like selling a used family car at a premium to market price.


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post Sep 14 2017, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(gooni3 @ Sep 14 2017, 10:19 AM)
Anyone looking at axis? Yield quite high..
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High meh? rolleyes.gif

Not interesting enough..

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