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gark
post Mar 24 2016, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Mar 24 2016, 11:54 AM)
want to meet ?I belanja your fav pizza..  tongue.gif
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Hahaha nanti i balik KL first tongue.gif

In the mean time you can belanja Pink Spider at yoshinoya.. cheap only. brows.gif
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post Apr 5 2016, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 4 2016, 10:50 AM)
Mr Market is hungry for yield...IGBEIT sampai 1.55 doh.gif
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Inkambing.. RM 1.60..

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post Apr 5 2016, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(holybo @ Apr 5 2016, 11:32 AM)
Gas explosion from chillis punya kitchen.. the roofing is just gypsum ceiling.

No structural damage, will reopen soon once chilli claim insurance and do renevation. devil.gif

In means time.. rent still running... whistling.gif
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post Apr 5 2016, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Apr 5 2016, 02:16 PM)
The shake is very random.. and only 3rd floor got such shake at the pavement.

I had think alot of times, and I come to a conclusion that the best possible cause might be the a heavy car that go pass a ramp at the multi level parking bay attached to the side of the mall (the parking bay for easy access to cinema and gym)

those small metal ramps... when car sped thru and bang on it.. very loud.. maybe the tension created from there transfer into inside the building?? Again, i am noob in civil engineering.. Haha.. If that is not the cause.. then that is scary also.. even if it is from carpark also scary.. as long as shake, it is scary.. scared the pathway will collapse down 1 day..
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Nah give you some scary stories.. devil.gif

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post Jan 13 2017, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 11 2017, 04:38 PM)
See IGBREIT and MQREIT
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Very gila.. does not make sense when 10YMGS is at 4.2%...

Sold all my MY reit and moved to SG reit..

4%-5% nett dividend exchange with 7%-9% nett dividend. rclxms.gif

Good deal in my books..

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post Jan 16 2017, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(ShinG3e @ Jan 16 2017, 10:44 AM)
PM SReit watchlist / portfolio sifu.  rclxms.gif
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My watch list very de long eh wor.. tongue.gif

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post Jan 19 2017, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(galaxynote259 @ Jan 19 2017, 01:05 PM)
Can't seem to find any REIT with 6% net yield at the moment
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Across the sea .. banyak.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jan 19 2017, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jan 19 2017, 01:56 PM)
one that's I can think of is YTL Reit  biggrin.gif
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YTL reit just got diluted recently with a big private placement. Next divvy will not be as high.

Actually to get 6% NET yield (after 10% tax), the REIT needs to pay out minimum 6.66% GROSS yield.

So yes, there are currently no more 6% NET yields in MY REIT. nod.gif
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post Jan 19 2017, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jan 19 2017, 02:11 PM)
oh thanks..

then we off across the sea then  biggrin.gif  thumbsup.gif
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Actually got one.. marginally 6% net yielder... Amanahraya REIT.. but the assets are .. sweat.gif

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post Jan 19 2017, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(CP88 @ Jan 19 2017, 04:16 PM)
Constant divvy leh! No less no more.  tongue.gif
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I prefer REITs which can grow their divvy, otherwise cannot catch up with inflation. tongue.gif
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post Jan 19 2017, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(galaxynote259 @ Jan 19 2017, 09:10 PM)
last i checked YTL had some loss due to forex or some loan problem (didn't understand their annual report)

is it a healthy reit?
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Not too bad, with a long WALE and exposure to aussie hotels.

The loss is just a forex loss on aussie loans, does not affect cashflow so divvy not affected.
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post Jan 19 2017, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 19 2017, 10:59 PM)
At current environment, it is already a big task for reit to maintain their DPU, let alone growing... may be except IGBreit.
Office space and industrial may face the risk of non-renewal of expired lease, while secondary mall are facing occupancy issues due to potential oversupply.

Rental yield is poor due to escalating property valuation for the last few years, so it becomes harder for reit to inject yield accretive property.

Also, refinancing cost may become more expensive due to higher yield of MGS and bonds market sell down recently, which may reduce marginally their DPU for those need to refinance their due borrowing.
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Yes, there are only a few reits which can still grow in this environment. IGB is a good example since it can still raise rent. CMMT with exception to Sungai Wang is not doing too bad. YTL with its forex exposure should benefit as well.

The only problem is that the REIT prices has run amok exceeding valuations. MGS10Y is at 4.3% already.
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post Jan 23 2017, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(Omega Z @ Jan 23 2017, 09:55 PM)
how do you use this info to determine the reits market in MY?
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Reit is an income investment and a slightly risky one. Compared that to 10Ymgs which has almost no risk and guaranteed by gov of malaysia. go figure.
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post Jan 24 2017, 02:24 PM

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Who thinks MY Reit is over priced?

For example.. IGBREIT is now trading at 4.6% gross yield and PAVILION is trading at 4.5% gross yield

After 10% tax.. these will yield 4.14% NET yield and 4.05% NET yield.. not much different compared to FD rate of around 3.8%-4.0%

So why has Malaysia REITs went bonkers? Is it due to excessive speculation or panic rush to safety? Sometimes prices can be illogical for a long period brows.gif

Come Discuss! laugh.gif

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post Jan 24 2017, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 24 2017, 02:25 PM)
Now u buy mid-priced condo and rent out, what's your net yield (after tolak maintenance, sinking fund, assessment etc)? innocent.gif
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Condo different lah.. you get capital gain...

At current prices IGB is trading at 1.07 vs NAV and Pavilion at 1.25 vs NAV... manade capital gain lagi tongue.gif

In fact ALL the reit is trading at 10%-50% premium to NAV now..

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post Jan 24 2017, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 24 2017, 02:30 PM)
But u no need pening maintain that property, collect rent etc...

Nothing comes for free whistling.gif
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If you say like that.. SG condo rental yield even more tiny...<1%

But the REITs are trading at 5.5% - 9.5% yield.. so how? tongue.gif

Why such a big discrepancy? brows.gif

Market not efficient?> hmm.gif

or everyone thinks MYR > SGD in near future? laugh.gif

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post Jan 24 2017, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(spiderman17 @ Jan 24 2017, 05:23 PM)
maybe the "big money" thinks that:
1. interest rate gonna fall in near future? therefore justifies the premium over fd?
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2. potentially significant gain(in myr terms) from asset revaluation? therefore justifies the premium over nav?

or just silly money chasing over silly prices  sweat.gif
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1. Not likely.. interest rate is more likely to go up. US Fed has already projected 3 rate increase in 2017.

2. You cant gain any money from REIT asset revaluation unless they sell off the asset.
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post Jan 24 2017, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 24 2017, 05:04 PM)
IGBREIT 1.77 sweat.gif

Net yield only about 4.2% sweat.gif
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Lets see how low it can get.. see can breach 4% or not

After searching the internet I think it is because of 'carry trades'.. brows.gif

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Several countries is facing these trades, MYR, THB and INR for now.

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post Jan 24 2017, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 24 2017, 06:06 PM)
Pandainya ko ni wub.gif
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Carry trades can reverse in an instant..

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What is a 'Currency Carry Trade'

A currency carry trade is a strategy in which an investor sells a certain currency with a relatively low interest rate and uses the funds to purchase a different currency yielding a higher interest rate. A trader using this strategy attempts to capture the difference between the rates, which can often be substantial, depending on the amount of leverage used.

As for the mechanics, a trader stands to make a profit of the difference in the interest rates of the two countries as long as the exchange rate between the currencies does not change. Many professional traders use this trade because the gains can become very large when leverage is taken into consideration. If the trader in our example uses a common leverage factor of 10:1, he can stand to make a profit of 10 times the interest rate difference

The big risk in a carry trade is the uncertainty of exchange rates. Using the example above, if the U.S. dollar were to fall in value relative to the Japanese yen, the trader runs the risk of losing money. Also, these transactions are generally done with a lot of leverage, so a small movement in exchange rates can result in huge losses unless the position is hedged appropriately.
We wait for the kaboom moment.. devil.gif

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post Jan 24 2017, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 24 2017, 10:44 PM)
Treasuries yield near 2.5% right now, even a foreign fund manages to do a carry trade with borrowing cost near to 3%, the carry trade only has 1% yield, doesn't sound attractive.

A swing on RM weakness easily wipe out the carry trade yield.
Somemore we have been witnessing a net outflow of foreign funds since last year or so.
So carry trade theory doesn't sound a strong one.

Instead it may be due to local fund houses who are keep on buying due to reason as mentioned earlier as well as lack of option for rather safe fixed income instruments.
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Carry trade is no longer usd. Now the hedge funds are pairing sgd or jpy trades. These currency still have low interest and is linked to usd weakness. For example sgd/inr is a favourite pair.

But then again you might be right, as i check all the reit holdings have very little foreign holders....

Flight to safety also does not make much sense as you can see there is prolonged weakness in solid divvy stocks like nestle or heineken. Some of these now out yield the reits.

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