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post Aug 16 2015, 10:15 AM

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I read with interest exchanges between you guys...

Hansel just read your own posts here.

QUOTE(Hansel @ Aug 15 2015, 05:50 PM)
I thnk we need more details on this withdrawal limitation. Is it per day, per person, over-the counter only, TT or what else ? I have predicted earlier to my family that the effects from the Greek fallout could hit Malaysians in the same way. This is now coming true. Greece was Eur 60 per day per person.
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Aug 15 2015, 05:52 PM)
Better let the money stay offshore. JUst read in the threads that banks are beginning to limit withdrawals already.
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If you are not adding fire to the rumour then what is?
You can't blame them for reprimanding you.



QUOTE(Hansel @ Aug 16 2015, 09:47 AM)
I'll be defensive if I have right what that was wrong earlier, especially if it comes from someone who did not
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More like you finally accepted that rumour is untrue ONLY after being lectured on basic economics by the 2 of them.

QUOTE(Hansel @ Aug 16 2015, 09:47 AM)
. So,...again to you, looks like I am under-knowledged on international finance. Well, I'm glad I have enuough investments and instrumnts that are still doing well in these economic times. Hmm,...  hmm.gif like you said 'I have very little knowledge on economics'....if someone who has very little knowledge on economics can still perform at this level, then,.. well,... biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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??More money means you must be right....

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post Aug 16 2015, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 16 2015, 10:57 AM)
Every sovereign country that has its own currency can print their own money, if not where the money comes from?  biggrin.gif
Just the more you print, the less value your money will be aka at the cost of inflation, which may haunt you back.

That's why central bank generally will refrain from printing money, unless necessary, as you don't create 'wealth" by printing more money.

This is a fact, not only theory.
When US underwent QE time, they create extra trillion of USD, that's why we saw USD exchange rate plummeting across the globe.
Same with Japan QE, ECB QE.

Eg.
if you print 10 bil, then there is potential 10 bil outflow aka there will be pressure of 10 bil of supply to buy USD or other foreign currency
if you print 100 bil, then there is potential 100 bil money that want to exchange to USD.

100 bil selling pressure more than 10 bil, hence price will go down.
Basic of supply demand that dictates the movement of pricing.

Yes, please do not blindly believe anything, when you think the limit of 3K withdrawal unfounded rumour, it totally has no logic at all, so easily busted.  smile.gif

The news about those money changers outside may be short of USD, is due to demand on physical note, not about liquidity.
Anyone still can exchange a few or hundred of million USD with banks easily.

The only reason why banks want to impose withdrawal limit is when they are short of liquidity.

Currently, liquidity between banks is ample, if banks are short of liquidity, you will see Klibor rate shooting to the roof particularly overnight rate and 3 months rate which serves as indicator what is the situation of liquidity in the financial market.

When there is a liquidity squeeze, you see interbank rate shoot to the roof like during 2008. (Libor rate for global banking interbank lending)
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Cherroy,...

I am aware of the effects of printing money for Msia - which is why I used the word 'doomed' if the world knows and acknowledges that we are printingmoney. I do not need to elaborate further.

I did not believe blindly in what I read - that's why I said need to investigate further,... read my posting in this thread and another one or two somewhere else,... I said to ask the banks, and after it was discovered to be only a rumour,.. then I said it was a rumour, and the best place to ask is the banks. So,.. please do not say that I believe blindly.

By the way, since you said that a person with knowledge on economics will not even start to ask if Msia will turn out to be like Greec, that would be summarising that Msia's banking system is still stable and solid. Well,... I do hope so,... BUT,... I do believe too that Dreamer has some points in his postings and comments abt the Msian banking system.

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Aug 16 2015, 09:26 AM)
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Another thing I don't understand why hekeep saying people who invest in ASNB is dumb. I mean, yes, if gov take money from the ASNB, don't you think they will did the same to MBB TNB PETRONAS RHB MBSH TH KWAP????!!!!! All the blue chip will be suffered. If yes, then how?
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Ancient-XinG-,

Very good question...

You trust THE GOVERNMENT. I don't. So, I moved my money and investment out of Malaysia.

Now, why do you BELIEVE that you can only invest in Malaysia and no where else?? Why do you put all your eggs in one basket?? I don't.. My investment are spread all over the world. I do not need to trust and rely on any country to do well.

It is VERY SIMPLE.

All your money is tied up with THE GOVERNMENT, GLC, and GLIC. And, it is controlled by THE GOVERNMENT. Is it WISE to put all your eggs in one basket??

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Aug 16 2015, 08:19 AM)
Your 4.25 has certain academic standing. That may be the final stabilized exchange rate while SGD could be 3.02, based on interest rate parity
But politics could thwart the numbers into spaceĀ  tongue.gif
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and academically, there is always a margin of error. when it can undershoot, it can also overshoot.
so, there is good chance for +5%, i.e. 4.46 and 3.17. tongue.gif


QUOTE(2malaysia @ Aug 16 2015, 02:01 AM)
Question to Dreamer and Avfan on the followings :-
(1) When would 1.4 million Malaysian civil servant faced the historical 1st retrenchment ?
The prime minister department received so much budget allocation so I want to see a reduction soonest.
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this question cannot be answered unless u bring in the politics.
personally, it is crystal clear to me the powerful ones will go to great lengths and creativity to keep support as as to protect their own pockets n bank accounts.
for the rest, it will be simple easy ways as it has been since 1998.

for new few years, i see zero chance civil service get downsized. most likely it will just grow slower.
the obvious prime funding method will be increased debt. others have already pointed - just pay a bit more interest and the billions will flow in new mgs or asx funds.
secondly, can incr gst next year. can incr to a level where you can still sing the song "our gst is still lower than x, y, z..."

how long that can continue will depend on how long crude and cpo prices stay low. and the politics too, of course.

and if the commodity supercycle theory has its way, they will stay low for a couple more years at least.

where the rm go then?

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post Aug 16 2015, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Aug 16 2015, 09:26 AM)
If he already keluared, why still making fuss here? Not giving the exact situation but keep put negativity here?

Look, I am not from finance or whatever. But I still have my logic in my brain, yes, the current situation is very bad but not that bad until the nation going to collapse...

The whole thing happen is due to LACK OF CONFIDENCE. Once the thing resolve, I believe KLCI shoot up to 1900 isn't a big problem just a matter of time.

He keep saying thing is going be like Greece and still got people feeding the bait and asking withdrawal limits. If he want to spread the rumour, why don't just make it very clear and asking people start to pile up cash under the pillow rite?

Another thing I don't understand why hekeep saying people who invest in ASNB is dumb. I mean, yes, if gov take money from the ASNB, don't you think they will did the same to MBB TNB PETRONAS RHB MBSH TH KWAP????!!!!! All the blue chip will be suffered. If yes, then how?

The world is working upon threshold, if anything gonna happen, threshold triggered, things will start to cleared off.

He keep saying people should invest in foreign market or whatever foreign currency acc. But this about it, if a household income of 8k got children etc etc, how to invest, even UT is problem for them. What to do just keep in local bank. Then he say local bank will collapse.... if like that go back to system barter better!
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I think unker thinks he has a mission to save malaysian. He is giving warning to people just in case they didn't know the situation is bad enough

But to those who have the ability to make their own judgement (like you). they know what is best for themselves.

Actually not a bad thing to have people like unker to warn us what could be the WORST in store. I give benefit of the doubt to unker, and keep at the back of my mind that malaysia economy collapsing is a possibility if nothing in politics is changed

Anyhow, I agree with you at this point in time, the situation is bad and worrying, but not that bad until collapsing
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post Aug 16 2015, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Aug 16 2015, 09:47 AM)
I'll be defensive if I have right what that was wrong earlier, especially if it comes from someone who did not read earlier posts and start throwing in unjustified accusations, also known as misconstrued judgement - FROM YOU. Sure, I agree it's a rumour, and I'm glad the rumour is busted,.. fine,... but again, read earlier posts, I was the onewho agreed to it that's it's a rumour. I'll leave my rantings here to focus on more concrete debates.

I appreciated yours and Cherroy's feedback. So,...again to you, looks like I am under-knowledged on international finance. Well, I'm glad I have enuough investments and instrumnts that are still doing well in these economic times. Hmm,...  hmm.gif like you said 'I have very little knowledge on economics'....if someone who has very little knowledge on economics can still perform at this level, then,.. well,... biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Aug 16 2015, 10:25 AM)
I think unker thinks he has a mission to save malaysian. He is giving warning to people just in case they didn't know the situation is bad enough

But to those who have the ability to make their own judgement (like you). they know what is best for themselves.

Actually not a bad thing to have people like unker to warn us what could be the WORST in store. I give benefit of the doubt to unker, and keep at the back of my mind that malaysia economy collapsing is a possibility if nothing in politics is changed

Anyhow, I agree with you at this point in time, the situation is bad and worrying, but not that bad until collapsing
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yes, i think there is no harm whatever he says. i actually like to read his posts. biggrin.gif

one has look past the occasional cynicism and sarcasm to understand the underlying issues, then explore further yrself!
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post Aug 16 2015, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Aug 16 2015, 11:15 AM)
I read with interest exchanges between you guys...

Hansel just read your own posts here.
If you are not adding fire to the rumour then what is?
You can't blame them for reprimanding you.
More like you finally accepted that rumour is untrue ONLY after being lectured on basic economics by the 2 of them.
??More money means you must be right....
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Guy,.. I am more keen on constructive debates and discussions now,.. it's oky, what you commented above on my first three postings are based on comments made in between time-lines of saying I needed verification of the rumour.

No, more money does not mean I am right - not forever, but yes till now. The knowledge that I have has supported me till I am where I am today in my investment progress.

By the way, I am not really talking about having how moch money, but more on the safety net that one has built for himself in the investment world, andto be able to have a portfolio that can survive today's onslaught. So, to me,... during times like now, we will be ableto see if we have built a portfolio that can withstand all shocks and pain, and still continue to reap income, and if that is so, then one can GO TO SLEEP already with that portfolio - as Dreamer calls it.




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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Aug 16 2015, 11:28 AM)
You may be very lucky all these while ?  tongue.gif
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Interesting,... I HAVE BEEN LUCKY ALL THIS WHILE,.. right, we'll see then. IF my portfolio can stand,... then the whole world should learn from me. If my portfolio dies moving forward,... then that's all to it,... should have bought Unker's Vanguard Funds then. MOment of Truth,...it's okay,... rclxms.gif
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I diversified my investmnts inside and outside of Msia. Inside..., into yield props (like many here) and ASX Funds (Ramjade). Outside - into stocks and funds, as advised by Dreamer,... but have not really bought into the Vanguard FUnds yet. So,... this is DIVERSIFICATION - inside AND outside of Msia. Let's see if can stand !

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Aug 16 2015, 10:36 AM)
Interesting,... I HAVE BEEN LUCKY ALL THIS WHILE,.. right, we'll see then. IF my portfolio can stand,... then the whole world should learn from me. If my portfolio dies moving forward,... then that's all to it,... should have bought Unker's Vanguard Funds then. MOment of Truth,...it's okay,...  rclxms.gif
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Friend, I am just being sarcastic. You can't even read and understand tongue.gif

Like guy3288 said, having more money does not mean you are right. And vice versa. If what you think is true, then economics professor will be the richest man on earth

Just accept that you initially believed in that rumour lah. Everybody saw that clearly tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Aug 16 2015, 10:41 AM)
I diversified my investmnts inside and outside of Msia. Inside..., into yield props (like many here) and ASX Funds (Ramjade). Outside - into stocks and funds, as advised by Dreamer,... but have not really bought into the Vanguard FUnds yet. So,... this is DIVERSIFICATION - inside AND outside of Msia. Let's see if can stand !
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You are really a person who is seriously lack of confidence. Out of nowhere, you have to show to the whole world what you have and what you did. So that you believe by showing what you have and what you did will add more weight to your opinion tongue.gif

Ya ya ya, we all know you have RM10m. But that has got nothing to do with you believing the rumour that banks in malaysia will limit cash withdrawal of RM3k doh.gif
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Aug 16 2015, 10:15 AM)
Gentlemen,.. to me, I am more keen to know what the direct effect is to my wellbeing and my loved ones'. The above is ONE DIRECT EFFECT to me. Weakening of the MYR currently will further cause incarese in the price of goods in the country. After the price of goods has increased, it will NOT drop back easily even if everything - the economy, RM, politics recover.
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with yr diversification and quantum, yr prudence in "what if's", u will be the last person here to need advice. tongue.gif


anyway, the speculative predictions so far in this thread have been... 3.30, 3.80, 4.0, 4.1, 4.25, 4.46, 5.0, 6.0... take yr pick! laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Aug 16 2015, 10:20 AM)
Cherroy,...

I am aware of the effects of printing money for Msia - which is why I used the word 'doomed' if the world knows and acknowledges that we are printingmoney. I do not need to elaborate further.

I did not believe blindly in what I read - that's why I said need to investigate further,... read my posting in this thread and another one or two somewhere else,... I said to ask the banks, and after it was discovered to be only a rumour,.. then I said it was a rumour, and the best place to ask is the banks. So,.. please do not say that I believe blindly.

By the way, since you said that a person with knowledge on economics will not even start to ask if Msia will turn out to be like Greec, that would be summarising that Msia's banking system is still stable and solid. Well,... I do hope so,... BUT,... I do believe too that Dreamer has some points in his postings and comments abt the Msian banking system.
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There is no doubt household debt and public debt are at elevated level, which needs to be sort out in the near future, or in other word need to trim down the fiscal deficit situation, if not, longer term future may be following Greece path.
But at the moment to near term, the situation is not as bad or doomed already.

At this current turbulence time, there is a need to be careful about rumour flying around. smile.gif

We do not want any unfounded and illogical rumour that may send unnecessary fear to uninformed public out there, which could result someone loss their hard-earned money, as any financial decision made due to unfounded rumour may result in loss of money.
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Aug 16 2015, 10:41 AM)
Friend, I am just being sarcastic. You can't even read and understand  tongue.gif

Like guy3288 said, having more money does not mean you are right. And vice versa. If what you think is true, then economics professor will be the richest man on earth

Just accept that you initially believed in that rumour lah. Everybody saw that clearly  tongue.gif
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Professor job is to teach and research, and they are not financially poor by any standard.
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Showtime, I am putting out what I have to the world for debates, so that I/we can learn from it, and can correct if there is anything wrong with it. That is the purpose of this forum. Don't talk abt the figure-lar...I emphasized on this investment progress in this thread becos you said that I am under-knowledged,..

And if you are now saying you commented that I am under-knowledged becos I believed BLINDLY in the rumour, than read back my postings in this thread and in one or two other, and for that matter, please note the timeline of each posting too... so, as you said, let the other forummers decide.

And suddenly you came up with you were just being sarcastic and indicated that I can't even read and understand, and that I have been lucky all this while, under-knowledged but lucky,... I'M A REAL LUCKY GUY THEN, underknowledged, can't read and understand sarcasm,... but can build a portfolio that is still standing solid till now.
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Shall we put a stop on who believe or not on the unfounded rumour.
The rumour is busted, no point to discuss further.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Aug 16 2015, 11:48 AM)
with yr diversification and quantum, yr prudence in "what if's", u will be the last person here to need advice. tongue.gif
anyway, the speculative predictions so far in this thread have been... 3.30, 3.80, 4.0, 4.1, 4.25, 4.46, 5.0, 6.0... take yr pick! laugh.gif
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AV,... thank you. As for the USD, I think the best thing to do is to prepare for a continuos rise, but at the same time, do not buy anymore at this moment.
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Aug 16 2015, 10:41 AM)

Friend, I am just being sarcastic. You can't even read and understand tongue.gif

Like guy3288 said, having more money does not mean you are right. And vice versa. If what you think is true, then economics professor will be the richest man on earth

Just accept that you initially believed in that rumour lah. Everybody saw that clearly tongue.gif

QUOTE(icemanfx @ Aug 16 2015, 12:00 PM)
Professor job is to teach and research, and they are not financially poor by any standard.
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IT's not the amount of money, money can come from anywhere and the majority of it would be from our daily Active Income activities.. it's the progress of the investment and the viability of it withstanding shocks and pain. The economics professor may be good in economics, but he may not know enough abt politics and to a lesser extent, international finance, to perform well enough in investment instrumnts.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 16 2015, 11:02 AM)
Shall we put a stop on who believe or not on the unfounded rumour.
The rumour is busted, no point to discuss further.
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Noted.

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