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post Jan 26 2015, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 26 2015, 01:58 PM)
Shady as hell. laugh.gif 

Btw is it grey import? hmm.gif
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dunno lol

QUOTE(arifhasim85 @ Jan 26 2015, 02:18 PM)
still attractive imo.. thinking to buy it as my backup gpu  brows.gif. unfortunately no money left to burn..  sweat.gif
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attractive... maybe refurbished

QUOTE(alfiejr @ Jan 26 2015, 02:20 PM)
wut , i asked them just last week it was rm1249, that made me rethink hard to trade my 970  sweat.gif
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yeah... 1299 still ok

QUOTE(rav3n82 @ Jan 26 2015, 02:24 PM)
I asked them regarding the warranty, they just say is 2 years covered by their shop. Probably it isn't from official MSI distri. Maybe something like what feiton used to do for Powercolor cards.
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a bit dangerous come to think of it...
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post Jan 26 2015, 06:16 PM

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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 26 2015, 05:58 PM)
read few post back see alot ppl talk about Msi lightning edition... waa is it like Sapphire  VaporX edition ? too bad is Yellow...  like banana
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The different is that MSI Lightning is 3 SLOT rclxm9.gif
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post Jan 26 2015, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 26 2015, 06:32 PM)
I'm want of them who deeply poisoned~~~  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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TechView told me that the item is already out of stock. Good luck finding MSI Lightning.
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post Jan 26 2015, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 26 2015, 06:37 PM)
This wednesday I asked Viewnet in Lowyat when i wandered around, they said still got stock and rarely a person buy 290X now since GTX 900 series are on the rack...
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But now got the GTX970 issue. Many scrambling to buy 290X.

QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 26 2015, 06:40 PM)
I really hope so... I gonna act on February... decided on cheapo 290X originally...  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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Probably a bit late on Lightning.
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post Jan 26 2015, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 26 2015, 06:40 PM)
U thinking to go for 290X?
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Yes, I thinking go on Lightning.
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post Jan 26 2015, 06:46 PM

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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 26 2015, 06:44 PM)
I'm thinking the same, but unsure buying an 1 year old GPU now are wise enough... but it is durt cheap now, 380X/390X wont be as cheap as this, i guess...

The lightning cooler just make me poisoned deeply...
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You need to wait 1 year plus for 380x/390x to be cheap.
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post Jan 26 2015, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 26 2015, 06:40 PM)
U thinking to go for 290X?
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I will go for 8gb 290x. No more 4gb.
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post Jan 26 2015, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 26 2015, 10:14 PM)
mb u try go (or phone) lowyat plaza ask. I more familiar with former pczone, which been changed to viewnet. this wednesday i ask they said still got much stock from old old time, no one buyenthusiast card like lightning when it were priced 2.5k...  brows.gif  brows.gif  brows.gif

Czone I asked also got

(I specifically ask for MSI lightning, but i saw much of sapphire 290X, both 4GB or 8GB also)
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Actually I meant no more 4gb for me. Just buy 8gb since ps4 have 8gb vram and if ported to pc, need 8gb vram.

Furthermore gtx970 complain about 3.5gb. 4gb is so near.
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post Jan 26 2015, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 26 2015, 10:41 PM)
then we only one one choice left Sapphire 290X 8GB vapor x flex.gif  flex.gif  flex.gif  flex.gif
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Yes that is our only choice
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post Jan 27 2015, 07:21 AM

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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 27 2015, 06:12 AM)
In case if you don't know the current price. Sapphire 290X Vapor X 8GB pricing in viewnet lowyat = RM1699 before bargaining
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Can you find out what is the lowest price?
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post Jan 27 2015, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 27 2015, 06:12 AM)
In case if you don't know the current price. Sapphire 290X Vapor X 8GB pricing in viewnet lowyat = RM1699 before bargaining
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I ask about Lightning in online stores. All run out of stock.
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post Jan 27 2015, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(kizwan @ Jan 27 2015, 03:58 PM)
Better go to Lowyat. Online store always run out of stock.
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ooo.. so sad... I go click buy... then they cancel my order

QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 27 2015, 04:46 PM)
Just a curious question, may I ask the reason behind of your decision of getting a 290X instead of wait for new gen or even newer GTX 980?  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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I believe only 290X got 8GB. Unless I'm wrong... lol

QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 27 2015, 04:50 PM)
I think better go for lowyat yourself, if not u may phone them see see
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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 27 2015, 06:39 PM)
yeah. the only 8GB card in the world now are 290X (R9 295x2 are actually dual GPU card of two 290X, if i not mistaken Crossfired or Sli'ed card will not making effective VRAM double as both card need to have the required info input into both VRAM for maximum effect, so R9 295x2 are effectively 4GB card). Do you think 8GB card will make it more future proof? I realize that VRAM requirement of game recently has been increasing recently.
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PS4/Xbox One is 8GB RAM.

So yes, 8GB is the only gfx card that is future proof.

QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 27 2015, 06:42 PM)
komtar? oh ya if u living near digital mall, u may ask around digital mall as some of the lowyat shop have their branch there.
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I live in Penang unfortunately. Here people are very lauyah.
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post Jan 27 2015, 08:04 PM

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QUOTE(llk @ Jan 27 2015, 07:13 PM)
When the time u need 8GB vram, the GPU itself already outdated
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Not true. Now 1080p game also use 3.5gb and above. That is why NVidia con is found.

I believe by end of the year, 1080p full texture gaming need 6gb.
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post Jan 28 2015, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 28 2015, 12:24 PM)
I guess I should put my money for upgrade my PSU to platinum class? If you ask me, I don't think this is entirely gimmickry as the trending nowm the game are using more and more VRAM and engineers from some company seems lazy to optimize their game (namely ubisoft). For example, apart 2GB VRAM as being 'premium' few years ago, but 2GB now are actually minimum requirement. and much of the game requires more than 3GB VRAM to run on ultra setting.

from what i have observe from Watch dog gaming, one time i deliberately maxed all the setting and see the effect on my HD7870 2GB card. VRAM usage are reaching 2.0GB, mean almost full utilization but GPU never use over 40% mainly hovering from 28-35%. So i don't think AMD GPU are even bottlenecked yet, but the VRAM is the culprit. (observe through Microsoft process explorer.
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Based on what you said, I think 290x 8GB will be able to last very long.

The reason people upgrading most probably due to RAM issue.

Let's say

HD7870 2GB only use 40% but 2GB RAM.
But if HD7870 have 4GB, you might not even need to upgrade now.

So let's say 290X 4GB. Probably some stuttering in newer games because low VRAM.
With 290X 8GB no more stuttering.

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In another word:-
290X 4GB
390X 4GB

Running game XXX that need 6GB VRAM.

390X 4GB - 60fps
290X 4GB - 10fps
Reason:- 390X is faster to process so with same RAM, it can generate faster image to keep dumping out and no need to store so long in VRAM.
But 290X is slower than 390X. So it work slowing to store into ram and dump to HDMI.

But...if we use
290X 8GB - 35fps
Why I predict 35fps? Because it has more RAM to store and put out to HDMI.

We all know that once VRAM got full, your FPS will tanked.


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Summary:-
R9 290X 8GB will be future proof.
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post Jan 28 2015, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 28 2015, 01:01 PM)
This is what I found, just rerun the test to get the screenshot. Leftmost picture are High setting while next to it are in ultra setting.

Two settings tried, namely High and ultra setting. both utilises similar amount of GPU which are 30-33% and VRAM was maxed out by using 1.9GB out of 2GB. But I found that ultra setting uses 1.5GB of system memory, i guess this is the sign of bottleneck, while High settings wew use only about 500MB System memory.

My experience: High: very playable altho FPS are not that great.
                      Ultra: stuttering like hell...

Detail :
Ultra setting: everything max out with AA set to MSAA 8x
High setting: everything set to high with AA set to FXAA.
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This means only 1 thing. Both AMD and nVidia are cheated customer to upgrade every year.

HD7870 are able to play all new game at ULTRA setting.

Just that not enough VRAM.
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post Jan 28 2015, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 28 2015, 01:13 PM)
this is exactly what i have interpreted, but none of the 8GB review i read online are match my opinion.
update:
SAPPHIRE announces Radeon R9 290X Tri-X 8GB with triple fan cooler

Sapphire announces another 290X 8GB (Tri-X version)~~ Do this mean 380X will be late?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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With current GTX970 fiasco, we can no long trust review.

We should trust ourselves. Just buy R9 290X 8GB.
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post Jan 28 2015, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 28 2015, 01:26 PM)
When will you action? I'm planning maybe before CNY with 290X lightning or 8GB one. But before that need to search for more opinion 1st
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Before GST. Probably after CNY. I'll be watching what you do. I might follow your footstep.
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post Jan 28 2015, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 28 2015, 01:31 PM)
Seems like I will become a little guinea pig LOL!!!!!! shocking.gif  shocking.gif  shocking.gif  shocking.gif  shocking.gif  I actually expect to follow your step, If we bought 8GB one i think we will become the only two 8GB user here.
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then we'll be long time no need to upgrade LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Now my Lian Li mITX casing will be empty.
Will get Elite 130 or HAF915R then.

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post Jan 28 2015, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(wongkoewei @ Jan 28 2015, 01:33 PM)
Hope so, Ringgit falling now, i saw some part ady start increasing price.
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Ringgit stabilized already... rclxms.gif
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