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Mavik
post Oct 12 2006, 01:40 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Oct 11 2006, 08:01 PM)
In your answer, leadership is a function/role done by you to get the job done.  And, the way that you get the job done is by motivation.

This is a view of leadership but it is not complete.  There are other way to lead  by some other means..
Mavik,

You think that leadership resides on a person as opposed to what a person does.  And, the person has to lead a team in order to be a leader.

A)  A person that a position that allow him/her to lead a person is an organizational leader. 

B)  A person that lead by sharing vision and motivate people is an motivational leader.

1)  (A) and (B) does not has to be the same person.  You do not need to be someone's else boss in order to motivate and get someone to help you.

2) You are assuming that leadership has to do with a person.  Leadership is a function by a person.  It is what a person do that define whether he/she a leader. By the way, some times, in order for team to function, a person has to be the follower eventhough he/she might be the official team leader.

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I always thought that leadership has to do with a person because it definitely has to involve a person at some level. How can we define leadership if there is no one to take the lead or how can we define the very core of function if there is no one to execute it? Unless you are speaking of leadership as a trait or a characteristic that defines a leader.

I do believe at every level, leaders do not just lead either functionally or by their position but they do much more in terms of like what you said, following or even serving their people. It is not about commanding.

But what I really want to know is that, can leaders be made/taught or are people born natural leaders? I guess in different situations and the different areas of leadership both can be applied.

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post Oct 12 2006, 09:05 AM

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i've seen natural born leaders, even they are not in leading position, people tend to listen to their words coz their words have the power that i do not know how to describe..this does not apply to working environment onli..it also apply to our daily group activities with family and friends.

of course there are ppl that learnt to be leader..ppl in this categories have to been thru a lot and experience lots of things to get them to the level, i'm in this category..i'm not a natural leader..i've been thru a hard way to earn the respect and to be where i am at now..

anyhow, just like to announce tht 2day is d big day..i'm goin off at 12.30pm later..please pray hard for me to get the job..i need not onli skills and knowledge to get d job, luck does play an impt role too smile.gif

again, thank you all that being supportive all the way, i appreciate it very much..regardless i'm goin to succeed or failed d interview later, i'll do all my best \^o^/
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post Oct 12 2006, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(Mavik @ Oct 12 2006, 01:40 AM)
I always thought that leadership has to do with a person because it definitely has to involve a person at some level. How can we define leadership if there is no one to take the lead or how can we define the very core of function if there is no one to execute it? Unless you are speaking of leadership as a trait or a characteristic that defines a leader.

I do believe at every level, leaders do not just lead either functionally or by their position but they do much more in terms of like what you said, following or even serving their people. It is not about commanding.

But what I really want to know is that, can leaders be made/taught or are people born natural leaders? I guess in different situations and the different areas of leadership both can be applied.
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Mavik,

You still think in term of leader as a person. It is more correct to think about leader as somebody that lead in certain situation.

For example, if you have a plumbing problem in your company and you called in a plumber to solve the problem. In that situation, you might be the CEO of the company but you are just a follower to the plumber. The plumber is the leader in solving plumbing problem.

If you see any survival type of movie, at any situations, it is whoever can deal with and convince people that they can and understand how to survive in a tough situatio that is a leader.

Leader is situational. Anyone can and will become leader as situation requires in a good functional team. Ditto, to be a good leader means you have to be a good follower and step aside for someone else to takeover if the situation requires it.


QUOTE(GenkiGal @ Oct 12 2006, 09:05 AM)
i've seen natural born leaders, even they are not in leading position, people tend to listen to their words coz their words have the power that i do not know how to describe..this does not apply to working environment onli..it also apply to our daily group activities with family and friends.

of course there are ppl that learnt to be leader..ppl in this categories have to been thru a lot and experience lots of things to get them to the level, i'm in this category..i'm not a natural leader..i've been thru a hard way to earn the respect and to be where i am at now..

anyhow, just like to announce  tht 2day is d big day..i'm goin off at 12.30pm later..please pray hard for me to get the job..i need not onli skills and knowledge to get d job, luck does play an impt role too smile.gif

again, thank you all that being supportive all the way, i appreciate it very much..regardless i'm goin to succeed or failed d interview later, i'll do all my best \^o^/
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GenkiGal,

People listen to leader because they believe the leader will do the RIGHT thing for them.

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post Oct 12 2006, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Oct 11 2006, 08:01 PM)
In your answer, leadership is a function/role done by you to get the job done.  And, the way that you get the job done is by motivation.

This is a view of leadership but it is not complete.  There are other way to lead  by some other means..

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thank you ol'wise one..
TSGenkiGal
post Oct 12 2006, 06:47 PM

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i'm back..2 hrs interview..mentally tired..
overall, nice company, nice job scope but i was disappointed bout the working hours and the salary.
it'll b 24X7 on shift job, which i'm not so keen on..
salary is not as promised 7k..it's around 5-6k but it can be negotiated..
plus d travel opportunities stated are to johor/penang coz there have branches there..overseas no promise..
sigh..i gav too much expectation on this job..

if they couldn't provide me as much as stated..i will reject the offer..coz travelling frm cheras to damansara is not cheap (3 tolls plus petrol - sprint highway)..what they offer minus transportation cost..it's almsot d same as what i got now..no point changing job then..

anyway, the company is unisys (www.unisys.com) ..sorry for keeping the company name so long till now.
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post Oct 12 2006, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(GenkiGal @ Oct 12 2006, 06:47 PM)
i'm back..2 hrs interview..mentally tired..
overall, nice company, nice job scope but i was disappointed bout the working hours and the salary.
it'll b 24X7 on shift job, which i'm not so keen on..
salary is not as promised 7k..it's around 5-6k but it can be negotiated..
plus d travel opportunities stated are to johor/penang coz there have branches there..overseas no promise..
sigh..i gav too much expectation on this job..

if they couldn't provide me as much as stated..i will reject the offer..coz travelling frm cheras to damansara is not cheap (3 tolls plus petrol - sprint highway)..what they offer minus transportation cost..it's almsot d same as what i got now..no point changing job then..

anyway, the company is unisys (www.unisys.com) ..sorry for keeping the company name so long till now.
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GenkiGal,

There will be more opportunities in the future for you....

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post Oct 12 2006, 10:13 PM

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yeah..it was a good interview experienced..

this is the best interview i have ever attended..they asked real good questions..not like normal 'cha pa lang' company asked u those usual questions.

the australian interviewers are friendly and provide me enuf info about the job scope, the company n the future growth..have a real nice chat with them...

this company is definitely a good company to try on if u r searching for a job plus u stay somewhere in pj area..recommended !!!

i have no 'fate' with that job..so now have to wait till confirmation from unisys said they want me or they dont want me then onli adecco can assign me to another client.. smile.gif

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Hey, sorry to hear that they didn't meet your expected remuneration package. I'm sure there is a better offer waiting for you somewhere. At least you get to experience a different set of questions during this interview smile.gif
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post Oct 13 2006, 08:23 AM

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ermm..andykway..are u posting an advertisement in my thread?
is this allowed in this forum?
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post Oct 16 2006, 05:06 PM

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updates updates..

i'm just done with my tele-conferencing interview with unisys's project managers in US..hehehe..didn't update that after my 1st interview coz would like to inform u guys after this 2nd interview..got into this 2nd round 1 day after my 1st interview \^o^/

call me sakai or watsever, but their teleconferencing technology is very good..quite impress actually..haha

to Ken, nice having msn chat with u..hope that our discussion do help open up ur insight bout what u want in ur future career..just b confident with ur self,k..all da best to u smile.gif

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