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 At cross road..need advice !, [I'm in last round interview d ^^]

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post Oct 10 2006, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(GenkiGal @ Oct 10 2006, 09:43 AM)
hahaha..feels like doing pop quiz like that tongue.gif

1) what is quality?
quality of an IT project is how well it fulfills the user's need using the minimum cost and time to produce a workable system, which it's practical enough to be managed in long term and will help organization to gain profit in long term.

2) no.1 prob in any project is always people. time & cost can be negotiated, resources can be obtained if u try all ways, but human behaviour is difficult to change within a short period of time. that's why there are a saying that said that organization can be success because of its employees as well as can be failed by its employee.

p/s: sorry, got too much to say. din manage to make it 1 sentence for question 2..hehe..hope this answers ur questions.
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You nailed the answers.

1) The key to quality is how well you furfill the user's need/requirement..

2) It is always the people..

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Tougher questions.

1) What is the goal of software testing??

2) What is the number one and most common problem in software testing??


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post Oct 10 2006, 09:50 AM

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Excellent reply (though I don't even know how to answer it properly). I've learned something new. Thanks
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post Oct 10 2006, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(goliath @ Oct 10 2006, 09:50 AM)
Excellent reply (though I don't even know how to answer it properly). I've learned something new. Thanks
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Goliath,

It take times and effort to manage projects and learn from the projects to know the answers. It is more important to know why those are the correct answers than the answers themselves.

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post Oct 10 2006, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(GenkiGal @ Sep 26 2006, 12:33 PM)
hi,

adecco got my resume from jobsdb and they are interested with my profile and requested for me to attend a job interview..RM7k job (related to my working interest of course)..

should i go? my concern is that i just took 2 days leave last week due to personal problem and now i will need to take another half day leave for this..it's not so good for my reputation in my current company..

plus, i'm not 100% confirmed getting this job..so i'm just thinking should i apply leave for this interview or not..

risking my reputation for something that is not confirmed yet..but the offer is too attractive to be rejected..

what say u?
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You already took 2 days leave so there's no difference in taking another day. If i were you I'd go for that interview. You cant always play on the safe side, life's all about taking risks. This could be a once in a life time opportunity for you. rclxm9.gif
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post Oct 10 2006, 10:13 AM

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[E]velyn, thanks for ur opinion, i already went for the interview, indeed i'm going for 2nd round interview this coming thursday, wish me luck ^^

goliath, for the 2nd answer i used to failed to identified it..i always tot that resources available are the key factor that governs a project success or failure, it tooks a painful lesson to learnt that human is the greatest resource for a project. smile.gif

dreamer101, u make me feel like i'm practicing how to anwer for my upcoming interview..haha..

ok here come d answer (this round i'm not sure my answer is right or not, just my opinion)
1) software testing main purpose of course is to find bugs and fix it but also indirectly it's a way to force d user to learn up the system as well..haha..as they'll need to sit down and run through every test cases, steps by steps.

2) common prob in software testing again is human, but this round it's the user. user's unlike developers, they can use millions of ways to go around the system, which sometimes we developers will never thought of tongue.gif, thus created bugs. plus, users are mostly not technical person, thus guiding them through testing and sometimes trying to ask them to simulate back the problem is a real tough job, coz they sometime dun even remember what they did to got there, funny..but it's true.. tongue.gif
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post Oct 10 2006, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(GenkiGal @ Oct 10 2006, 10:13 AM)
[E]velyn, thanks for ur opinion, i already went for the interview, indeed i'm going for 2nd round interview this coming thursday, wish me luck ^^

goliath, for the 2nd answer i used to failed to identified it..i always tot that resources available are the key factor that governs a project success or failure, it tooks a painful lesson to learnt that human is the greatest resource for a project. smile.gif

dreamer101, u make me feel like i'm practicing how to anwer for my upcoming interview..haha..

ok here come d answer (this round i'm not sure my answer is right or not, just my opinion)
1) software testing main purpose of course is to find bugs and fix it but also indirectly it's a way to force d user to learn up the system as well..haha..as they'll need to sit down and run through every test cases, steps by steps.

2) common prob in software testing again is human, but this round it's the user. user's unlike developers, they can use millions of ways to go around the system, which sometimes we developers will never thought of tongue.gif, thus created bugs. plus, users are mostly not technical person, thus guiding them through testing and sometimes trying to ask them to simulate back the problem is a real tough job, coz they sometime dun even remember what they did to got there, funny..but it's true.. tongue.gif
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GenKiGal,

You need more exposure on software testing..

1) Software testing is an insurance policy. In any reasonable complex software, there is no way for you to test everything and every scenerios. So, you do enough testing with your limited time and resources to get a reasonable assurance that the software works in a reasonable fashion in most situations.

2) The number one and most common problem in software testing is user requirements. The users either do not know or did not tell the developer and tester what are the actual requirements of the softwares. You could do a reasonable good job of testing if you know what are the requirements?? But, in real life and in most cases, the user either do not know or do not tell you what they really want until it is too late.

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post Oct 10 2006, 10:35 AM

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Thanks for the input, it might help in my interview ^^
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post Oct 10 2006, 11:49 AM

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That's a good answer dreamer101. As expected from an IT old-timer.
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post Oct 10 2006, 01:35 PM

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It's good to read dreamer101's post because it makes you think other wise

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post Oct 10 2006, 01:54 PM

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not flaming, but doubtful..
after reading ur 1st post, i feel tat u cant make desicion by ur own..
but somehow u r involved in senior managerial role, a team lead of 12 employees (considered a big team)...
i reli dont understand y an experienced senior management ppl - which is u- will post a thread here juz to ask "should i take half day leave for attending an interview?"...

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post Oct 10 2006, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(jojoko1982 @ Oct 10 2006, 01:54 PM)
not flaming, but doubtful..
after reading ur 1st post, i feel tat u cant make desicion by ur own..
but somehow u r involved in senior managerial role, a team lead of 12 employees (considered a big team)...
i reli dont understand y an experienced senior management ppl - which is u- will post a thread here juz to ask "should i take half day leave for attending an interview?"...
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Yea me think the same.
However, if can get the job, u need to prepare to deal with difficult ppl. Be strong then, leaders are made of blood and steel. Sacrifices need to be made.
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post Oct 10 2006, 02:37 PM

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haha..yeah i know what u meant kennyL2 and jojoko1982

me myself when i read back this thread i was wondering what am i thinking back then mann..d question of asking should take leave for interview or not seems so childish..

mayb there's too many things happened at once at the period of 2 or 3 days..i just took leaves bcoz a close relative of mine passed away, i've been at the funeral place for 3 days till midnite everyday..was tired n exhausted..

when back to work, there are lots to do, lots of decisions to be made, lots of meetings to be attended..then all of sudden i was spotted by job hunter..not 1 but 2..so i was doubtful that time, not sure what should i do..althought i plan to leave my current company but is now the right time to do so? to attend interview? take leave or not is not the main concern actually..hehe..it's that i haven't prepare myself to take d 1st step out to search for a new job..so indirectly i'll feel guilty if i take leave for that purpose..

half day leave might seems like nothing for most of the people, but half day leave for me is a very big thing..lots of things will be pending if i took half day leave (i already took a few days leave back then)..and it affect not only my performance but my whole team's performance..

if u read all the post since beginning, i am not actually unable to make decision, i'm just doubtful at that time..within less that 30min this post has been posted up i have already make up my mind to applied for leave and already booked an interview time with the head hunter.

yeap, i know this sounded like an excuse, but anyhow i'm still a human being, i do get tired and at my brain did get point blank sometimes..but anyhow, i'll learn to be stronger next time!!! thanks for the positive critics smile.gif

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post Oct 10 2006, 04:25 PM

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r u a lady?
if yes, then i reli respect u..
u r tough...
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post Oct 10 2006, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(goliath @ Oct 10 2006, 01:35 PM)
It's good to read dreamer101's post because it makes you think other wise
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Goliath,

Does that mean my post stop you from thinking?? Because, otherwise you will be thinking?? :-) :-) :-)

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post Oct 10 2006, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(jojoko1982 @ Oct 10 2006, 01:54 PM)
not flaming, but doubtful..
after reading ur 1st post, i feel tat u cant make desicion by ur own..
but somehow u r involved in senior managerial role, a team lead of 12 employees (considered a big team)...
i reli dont understand y an experienced senior management ppl - which is u- will post a thread here juz to ask "should i take half day leave for attending an interview?"...
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QUOTE(kennyL2 @ Oct 10 2006, 01:59 PM)
Yea me think the same.
However, if can get the job, u need to prepare to deal with difficult ppl. Be strong then, leaders are made of blood and steel. Sacrifices need to be made.
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Jojoko1982 and KennyL2,

I think you have a WRONG impression of what a good leader is. In working life and in most cases, you have NO ABSOLUTE power to ask anyone to do something. And, even if you do, if people are not happy about doing the task that you assign to them, they will not do a good job.

So, a good technique to get the job done and get good result is to ask everyone's opinion even if you had made your decision in your mind. That shows that you listen to everyone and you had taking their concern into making your decision. They are more likely to do your task happily.

You know and will learn this if you are ever part of a group like Scout and so on...

A good leader can convince people to follow him/her eventhough he/she may not have any power to order anyone.

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post Oct 11 2006, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Oct 10 2006, 08:08 PM)
Goliath,

Does that mean my post stop you from thinking??  Because, otherwise you will be thinking?? :-) :-) :-)

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Tricky question... unsure.gif

My thoughts are always on general ways. But by reading your posts, it broaden my way of thinking. It's knowledgeable (for me) to read your answers to people's questions. smile.gif

p.s.: I'm not sucking up. I'm speaking the truth

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post Oct 11 2006, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(goliath @ Oct 11 2006, 10:25 AM)
Tricky question...  unsure.gif

My thoughts are always on general ways. But by reading your posts, it broaden my way of thinking. It's knowledgeable (for me) to read your answers to people's questions.  smile.gif

p.s.: I'm not sucking up. I'm speaking the truth
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Goliath,

1) Usually, a good question is worth than any answers.

2) If you are asking the WRONG question, you will never get the RIGHT anwer. So, sometimes, check whether you are sking the RIGHT question.

3) I am trying my best NOT to give any answer but provide GOOD questions.

So, here comes a good question

What is leadership??

BTW, you learn more from the wrong answers..

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Oct 11 2006, 12:01 PM)
What is leadership??

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leadership in my context is how to motivate and coax the people around you to follow your instructions closely and report if there are any discrepancy.

correct me please
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QUOTE(ParaOpticaL @ Oct 11 2006, 01:23 PM)
leadership in my context is how to motivate and coax the people around you to follow your instructions closely and report if there are any discrepancy.

correct me please
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I think coax is not the right word, "convince" should be used instead. Coax can be extremely misleading.

Leaders should have a vision and by leading, a leader would be able to share his vision with his/her team to own/take personal ownership to that vision and goal as well.


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QUOTE(ParaOpticaL @ Oct 11 2006, 01:23 PM)
leadership in my context is how to motivate and coax the people around you to follow your instructions closely and report if there are any discrepancy.

correct me please
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In your answer, leadership is a function/role done by you to get the job done. And, the way that you get the job done is by motivation.

This is a view of leadership but it is not complete. There are other way to lead by some other means..

QUOTE(Mavik @ Oct 11 2006, 05:16 PM)
I think coax is not the right word, "convince" should be used instead. Coax can be extremely misleading.

Leaders should have a vision and by leading, a leader would be able to share his vision with his/her team to own/take personal ownership to that vision and goal as well.
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Mavik,

You think that leadership resides on a person as opposed to what a person does. And, the person has to lead a team in order to be a leader.

A) A person that a position that allow him/her to lead a person is an organizational leader.

B) A person that lead by sharing vision and motivate people is an motivational leader.

1) (A) and (B) does not has to be the same person. You do not need to be someone's else boss in order to motivate and get someone to help you.

2) You are assuming that leadership has to do with a person. Leadership is a function by a person. It is what a person do that define whether he/she a leader. By the way, some times, in order for team to function, a person has to be the follower eventhough he/she might be the official team leader.

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