u aim support 1st..

cm is good for training,cos...soft and slow lol...
but my cm i prefer nc style xD

Tuan, tolong jangan berikan ajaran sesat. You only aim a support first if it's a free kill or he's particularly disruptive in teamfights and you have no counter for his spells (WD and Silencer are excellent examples).

For starter:

1. Support:
- For everything basic such as warding, dual-laning, ganking timing and courage. Go to carry/hard lane

then switch to:

2. Core:
- To know about about 1v1 OR 1v2 and overall hero choices and their counters, learn about rune fighting and rune usage for different fights, roaming is 1 of the most important skills to pick up at this point.

then switch to:

3. Carry:
- To learn about how to improve your GPM by micro-manage/animation cancelling/last hits and denies
- To learn how to stack your starting/core/endgame items efficiently and effectively steps by steps.

From these 3 general roles onwards:

4. Finding your own unique style thru different sub-roles:
- Tanker - if your style is specialized to get enemies attention especially whole team.
- Initiator - you prefer enter a fight smoothly and make wiping enemy team easier for the team.
- Nuker - you prefer someone go first before you can actually do some heavy follow up damage
- Tidechanger/Interrupt: You like to bait enemies and make their ganking plan failed miserably and able to take huge risk for bigger rewards.
- Flash farmer/split-pusher etc.

Finally switch back to:

5. Support again:
- You will found out tat, after all these role changing, the way you playing support as a team again, is a lot stronger and effective due to experience.
- How to pull and stack NC
- Trilaning effectively and Zone out the enemy heroes.

6. Things you will eventually improve along all these steps:(eventually, just faster or slower or beyond cure nia):
- Global map sense
- Knowledge on items
- Positioning during fights etc
- Timing to take risk and chase/retreat
- ethics and manners
- adapting new META

These steps only cover so far as what a solo player should learn/do, if further then will be on Captain Mode/Competitive level already...

yea true,once u swap all roles once,ull know and understand each role more and there comes better teamwork and timing ive been to all roles before and seriously it helps a lot

nice analysis @Air

But I would suggest most newbie to ask for some1 experience, everybody will have their own type of starting hero to teach newbie, for me example will be zeus, while my fren is teaching newbie using sniper. I remember i was first forced to play CM (I would not argue cos she so damn cute in dota 1 *ahem*)

Let those who are experience found out ur type, then u develop through there and bring ur potential, master a type 1st, then try other hero to learn them, then back to ur best role.

Mostly people start support cos they was forced to when play with friend, dota is not meant to start solo, there must be some1 who drag you in the dota world. And most importantly, support is not easy for starter, cos it is very frustrating when u get all the flame especially when u dono what u shud do and buy.

I would suggest some starter hero, which is zeus, sniper, bone clintz, cm, drow, warlock. Nuker and range is always best for starter to learn, teach them to survive, to run when ganked (e.g buying shadow blade). Also make sure experience player coach him enuf to win at least Hard AI before real match, cr8 new account to join them, or watch their game and give suggest.

i rather ask people use tide or VS instead of CM for newbie hehe. CM is very weak. CM user need proper way to dodge some skill especially arrow or hook for that or else normally feed only when facing pudge.

salah lagi? i jadi support too long liao

Old ver tide is good for newbie la, currently i think he not newbie friendly ady lol, But yeah would be good inside the starter list. VS is a good one, almost forget that lol, but swap will be mess up sometime, even for those who experience. CM u need to guide him while you are carry, (e.g. my friend used to shout at me "ice him ice him", good old time) Aggressive CM is easier to learn tbh, but a pro CM can switch to any type of support. Also i don expect any newbie can dodge arrow and hook, even pro get hook or arrow easily lol, its a map awareness game.

i think vs is a good choice for starter.
well..my first hero is cm...lol

duno la, i play CM i boost STR one haha, because i already eat ult as bait
2nd thing i not really want CM for starter because slow MS really makes newbie (no map awareness one) feed a lot lol.

also not reliable stun. VS is far better in surviving.

orge magi also not bad ma..hehe

Mayb it just me lol, like i say before, every1 have their type, and I jackpot from the start. But so far yet, your first hero is always ur best hero. I think i have trained around 5 to 6 newbie and currently around 2.5k to 3k mmr, not so bad as long as they learn. XD

Teaching dota is just too fun mayb i shud take this as a job. lolol

ya ogre magi need soul ring as core can already XDDD
but stun range is way too short, now i play ogre i max ignited first lol, stun for 1 level to disturb people only haha...

my first hero is CM
buy this and buy that and roam like hell no time for NC and normally 15 minutes mark or later then i get my boot
because once i pick CM, rest of 4 sure hard carry.

yes, solo mmr , 3.4k range one.

now thinking want to play WK as support role or not lol.

This post has been edited by Agito666: Jan 20 2015, 03:59 PM

fight ai tak guna lah bang.

totally waste of time.

ai maybe useful for starter to get to know hero skills.thats all..to train skill...better go pub game :/

My favorite hero back in g-arena days:

Bloodseeker, Riki, Balanar, Bounty Hunter. Kill more important than win.

Seriously if you're a beginner play whatever you enjoy. Its just a game, try to have fun first.

This post has been edited by Kaizer96: Jan 20 2015, 04:06 PM

i max stun thn BBQ thn bloodlust..
i never buy soul ring in my whole life..duno why..

my very first hero is lich during d1 days.

masa tu main syiok syiok ngan kawan secret shop kat mana pun x pandai

WK support is bad in pug or ranked, its like playing trust fall with your carry, but its not bad to learn how to utilize farm as a support since he got mid game carry potential. Also for WK to support is very expensive, smoke, boot, dagger. Its hardly to success without trilane or follow up. But still, im have been playing support WK for some time, quite fun actually XD.