[quote=Kaizer96,Jan 17 2015, 05:04 AM]
babycry123



You are my hero! You speak out my heart, my soul as a core support that I would cry with joy reading those text!
This should be a meta instead of those jugger meta or what. Total Respect for you.

Support need to be experience, u need to know dota in and out before you can do anything, its like playing mind game with enemy support, then feed the information to team and let them know what to do, what item, when fight, and what they do wrong to do better next time. But when ever I do tell them in pug, they just flame blame then flame again. But when they do listen and make comeback, they respect me then commend me. That is dota, anything can happen, just never give up.

Here is some of my favourite quote. He is my hero as well~
"Everyone must forget the words CARRY/SUPPORT/GANKER, this is all rubbish. If you want to be useful, to win the game, you must play on all heroes, instead of crying like a baby when you have to play carry" - Puppeh

Kaizer Best Quote: "Set your goal to learn, not to win."
(love this quote so much, you deserve a medal )

His drawing kinda advance, only ppl who play support will understand.

1st Picture is simple, the basic of basic double pull. *Sac mean sacrifice the tree for better vision?* That my guess though

2nd n 3rd Picture indicate there is a chance enemy will interupt ur camp pulling and farm them instead, u need to be careful, eg. axe might contest your creep pull and take most gold advantage, if they do, swtich to 4th picture and go harrass instead.

4rd picture mean u have to sacrifice pull and go harrass instead. This is tricky depend on your carry farm, u have to suit the carry, if he cant farm under tower, don double pull, go zone our ur enemy instead, that way he have more farm. And remember to stay at range where u don leech ur carry exp too much.

5th picture told you about the timing u have to control really well. You have to double pull, then sacrifice the camp farm and go staack pull instead for the carry to farm later. after double pull, always remember to contest rune, bounty rune is always meant for support, else for mid hero who cant farm well cos enemy team is better.

This is all how i analysis through the view from Radiant.

If anything feel free to correct me.

@v1n0d

Thanks for rounding up, im usually 3.8k to 4.2k mmr, so hardly seen any trilane lol

@babycry123

You... or mayb those who did it. Do NOT ever mock ppl with "EZ". Some of them might not play the game just for "FUN" , we seek the thrill of high end team fight, and when we win, the feeling of winning that teamfight is incomparable satisfying. I am sure everyone experience this once or twice in every 10 games. It is frustrating when the game is onesided, or getting countered, or even comeback. When you say EZ, its the worst mockery to those who play the game seriously.

There is a case once my friend who play with me mock enemy by saying "EZ" for a whole 70min game, I directly pm him and scold him directly. It really pissed me off whether or not its is my enemy or friend. Glad he did not do that again onward, but after that match, he got free report and not able to chat . If you wish to go low priorty, then i would suggest you just continue what you was doing, and make sure you don meet us, else we would definitely report you .

Respect other the same you wan to be respected. Same to real life. Commend player you thing is worthy, to enemy as well, let them know they did good, even if they lose it will ease their anger and even commend you back out of respect.

Remember tips from dota 2: You have already five enemy to face, there is no need to increase extra enemy.

*Sorry for the long post, here some potato and hope you would change to a better man.*

This post has been edited by harusame1989: Jan 20 2015, 10:00 AM

Shhhh

*Ok Change ady XD*

This post has been edited by harusame1989: Jan 20 2015, 10:00 AM

pft, omg cause of my typo it become so much joke, this made my day

This post has been edited by harusame1989: Jan 20 2015, 10:24 AM

yes, I do know. That y i amend it lolol.

Btw on side topic, any1 know how much a golden vengfulspirit demihero would probably cost?

Agree, CM is one of the few support can go aggresive, defensive or greedy support. Best for starter support learning, but can be easily fed to enemy if ur position is bad and do not know how to hide.

nice analysis @Air

But I would suggest most newbie to ask for some1 experience, everybody will have their own type of starting hero to teach newbie, for me example will be zeus, while my fren is teaching newbie using sniper. I remember i was first forced to play CM (I would not argue cos she so damn cute in dota 1 *ahem*)

Let those who are experience found out ur type, then u develop through there and bring ur potential, master a type 1st, then try other hero to learn them, then back to ur best role.

Mostly people start support cos they was forced to when play with friend, dota is not meant to start solo, there must be some1 who drag you in the dota world. And most importantly, support is not easy for starter, cos it is very frustrating when u get all the flame especially when u dono what u shud do and buy.

I would suggest some starter hero, which is zeus, sniper, bone clintz, cm, drow, warlock. Nuker and range is always best for starter to learn, teach them to survive, to run when ganked (e.g buying shadow blade). Also make sure experience player coach him enuf to win at least Hard AI before real match, cr8 new account to join them, or watch their game and give suggest.

Old ver tide is good for newbie la, currently i think he not newbie friendly ady lol, But yeah would be good inside the starter list. VS is a good one, almost forget that lol, but swap will be mess up sometime, even for those who experience. CM u need to guide him while you are carry, (e.g. my friend used to shout at me "ice him ice him", good old time) Aggressive CM is easier to learn tbh, but a pro CM can switch to any type of support. Also i don expect any newbie can dodge arrow and hook, even pro get hook or arrow easily lol, its a map awareness game.

Mayb it just me lol, like i say before, every1 have their type, and I jackpot from the start. But so far yet, your first hero is always ur best hero. I think i have trained around 5 to 6 newbie and currently around 2.5k to 3k mmr, not so bad as long as they learn. XD

Teaching dota is just too fun mayb i shud take this as a job. lolol

WK support is bad in pug or ranked, its like playing trust fall with your carry, but its not bad to learn how to utilize farm as a support since he got mid game carry potential. Also for WK to support is very expensive, smoke, boot, dagger. Its hardly to success without trilane or follow up. But still, im have been playing support WK for some time, quite fun actually XD.

Hmm after a few try of support WK, i would suggest you try this early build: Get power tread and soul ring, basically ur mana is infinite ady, (learn how to switch boot be4 u use soul ring), unless u need mana boot for team who spam skill a lot then diff story la, else its waste to get mana boot, too much uneccesary mana.

*I tried tranquil boot with soul ring build, not so bad, easy spamable also lol*

Dagger is a must for support WK to gank effectively, then drum for team, lastly heaven halberd to counter carry, or even bkb to man fight in the battle for some dmg.

There was a post I read in reddit about a person who ranting about the Ranked AP Mode in Unranked Game, saying vavle should not just make it for one week instead and implement it forever.

Personally I thought it was the best change so far, I never enjoy the game so much for that 1 week and you almost get the pug as close to the ranked match feel instead of half of your game is one-sided or heroes countering game. It is a good way to learn or testing hero build in the best way possible without worry losing mmr.

My Main Reason loving that mode:
1. Can test hero with possible build without worry enemy with all 3 to 4 hero countering you. (e.g I tend to pick TA first sometime, but then enemy last min all Veno, Pudge, batrider. I was like wtf? again?! and I am the only carry.)
2. The game is way more balanced. Its hard to counter last minute, which is very nice.
3. No more last min random shit or last min pause to choose counter hero.

But still, majority still prefer the old mode. Ranting about not fun anymore, basically i just think they want to bully ppl with counter hero meta, instead of enjoy the thrill of balance match.

Want to know your thought about the new mode. Would you wish vavle to implement it back for better gameplay?

They did patch halfway, last time is 60sec for each side to pick, but then they patch it to 30sec which is a lot better, but don forget, most of the people who pick 1st will be fast, if each person take less than 10sec to pick ,u just waste 1 min. After that, no pause, no need strategy talk, no need scare ppl last min all pick then all wan mid. I am not sure how the low level player feel, probably they lack the idea of counter hero, above 3k rank u will see all just wan counter and bully u, then trash talk u noob lol.

Y not waste that 3min, ask yourself this, how many time does you have to pause to wait ppl pick for old style, more or less i would say 1min wait ppl pick 1st, then 1 min pause to wait counter pick, then afk there like 10 to 20 sec thinking what to buy and when u move out, its left 5 to 10 sec be4 game start, where sometime i see no ppl contest rune, or not enuf time reach there. Unless you say that 1min of your life is very important i nothing to say la.

Btw, Joking aside, would you rather waste 30 - 40min of ur time, knowing that all their hero draft is better than you and hardly any chance to win (e.g all enemy is early pusher, and your team is all late game carry), or would you rather have 40min of balance game most of the time? Also don forget, around 10 match i usually get 2 or 3 game is 15min game 20-3 score, when the higher score team can win, but they just wan to drag for higher kda or get a divine for fun, then another 20min drag game. (honestly i sometime do that , but rarely cos i just want to end their suffer faster).

Edit:
Forget to mention, If you continuously get counter picked and losing consecutively, That is where when u wan to ragequit dota so bad but you still come back to play cos you love dota.

This post has been edited by harusame1989: Jan 21 2015, 01:14 PM

In case you dont know about me, http://www.dotabuff.com/players/86737282/matches
I am a very casual player, u hardly seen me playing ranked cos my fren rank is not same as mine, even if i wan solo, only sunday allow me once or twice to solo mmr.

But true you have the point there, anything can happen in dota, but the chances are low.

The thing is, even if you wan to resume you cant sometime, when the one who afk or waiting is your teammate. You will have a psychological of pausing it in case your ally losing too much gold and have a bad start. Everybody play dota wishing to win the game, no one wan to play when the drafting ady told you that you are losing, and praying enemy is noob or miss skill all the time.

Btw, I am not forcing my idea on you, just wan to share what i thought, i might be wrong and have to admit and continue playing the way it is now.

Well its definitely not easy, its either you are too pro or enemy too noob lol

Np man, i know that feel, there is a few time i almost scream out when i win in that situation. Used to rush rank a lot, but lately cos i cant ignore my fren, and they always afraid of ranked, that y i had gone a bit too casual, and sometime will bring them to rank play once or twice.

Yep, but currently randomly testing all hero to know more around for some better combo and fun stuff. Once serious mode just pick some hero im very good at it and wipe enemy.

Mayb I should start doing that.

But problem about rank is, You cant 4 member party joining.

This post has been edited by harusame1989: Jan 21 2015, 03:11 PM

From what i heard in reddit, to bring out meepo true potential is to get stat item after agha, something like ethereal, skadi is best for all your meepo. Cos only stat pass down, so far i seen ppl with dagger + ethereal, even a 3k pudge die almsot instant with the burst. And because of the stat transfer, that meepo is so damn tanky. Feel free to try and let me know, not a micro manageable person XD