Long shen .....? 神農？

i have no idea bro, the picture is like an emperor

Hi nacht,
firstly thanks for opening such an informative thread! I just stumble the thread yesterday and enjoy everything written in here by everybody.

I have a few question to ask and hope you can help me understand more.

1)does sintua relies heavily on words spoken/said by medium when the medium in on trance?
2) how to we know there and then that the medium is really on real state of trance or fake? Any guideline to help?
3) can a medium cast wicked spell on a person ? I mean if having gotten the person date and time of birth?
4) I have a friend who claimed to learn the art of inviting deities 跳童 from a sifu,but he is not chosen or from what I know has a 金身 , is that possible ?

Sorry for the long question, just hope to get a clearer picture ,
Thanks

Hello and welcome, Mars. Do stick around; I promise to keep this thread entertaining and informative.

On to your questions:

1. Sintua is a mostly oral tradition, as previously mentioned. You are not going to find very much in the way of holy texts or scriptures, if at all. Nor is most sintua-related information stuff you can read about in books or on the Internet. The lion's share of ritual techniques and so on are imparted by the deities through their mediums during trance sessions, yes.

2. Good fakers can be quite convincing, unfortunately. But as a rule of thumb, a genuine medium will not make inappropriate statements (e.g. using vulgar language or requesting sexual favours) during trance, nor will they demand payment. Genuine mediums are capable of very astounding feats, as well, including volunteering information without being told and withstanding inordinate degrees of pain. The hard-and-fast gold standard, however, is results. A fake medium will not be able to solve your problems, the same way a fake doctor cannot really heal the sick.

3. Sintua deities are 'lawful good' in alignment, and will not tolerate acts that are illegal according to spiritual law. Black magic is therefore strictly taboo in sintua, especially for mediums; any medium who performs acts of black magic risks severe punishment from their divine patrons. In any case, serious spells require WAY more than just time and date of birth to perform - stuff like the target's hair, fingernails or personal effects (e.g. clothing) are vital. The most you will be able to do with just time and date of birth is give your target a bout of, say, itchy rashes. Or a mild migraine. Or an upset tummy.

4. As I've said earlier, one cannot volunteer to become a medium. You are chosen based on your karmic debts. Mediumship is a form of penance for sins past or present. Unless one is expressly picked for the purpose, it is impossible for one to channel a deity, period.

Hope this helps,

Nachty

Thanks for the reply nacht, btw can you recommend a reputable temple within klang valley for underworld deities ?

This is by far the most interesting thread I've come across in Lyn. Mysterious as a detective novel yet makes so much sense without any pretentious connotations.

Nacht, let me say, you are one hell of a sensible, objective and patient guy. You able represent this topic like no other with your knowledge and experience.

And most of the people contributing here has nothing but informative and supportive, which is such a good change.

Amazing thread, may there be endless more of these.

p/s: If one day you decide to compile something up and publish them, I would definitely be interested to get my hands on them.

神農大帝 is often depicted with a leafy collar hanging on his neck and a leafy type of pants. He is being revered as 神農大帝 note the 大帝 , hence , if people have him.portrayed as an emperor it is totally not impossible .

No problem, Mars.

There is this one temple known as the Hall of Sevenfold Jade/七玉殿. It is one of the few temples in my hometown of Klang dedicated exclusively to the Hell deities, boasting the all-merciful Ksitigarbha Bodhisattva in the main hall, and a special air-conditioned, cave-like basement room where the Black and White Brothers and other lesser but more fearsome Hell beings reside.

You can visit them at 4, Jalan Cox, 41300 Klang; they hold consults on Saturday nights at 9:30 p.m or thereabouts. The temple is admittedly somewhat difficult to find, being off the beaten track; it is located down by the river bank near the Fairy Park funeral parlour, close to Wisma TLT and the old Pawagam Sri Intan.

You're too kind, my friend; I'm just doing my humble part to ensure that my faith and its rich tradition gains more exposure.

The credit really should go to people like you for making this thread a success; without a supportive audience, it would not have gotten off the ground.

Stay tuned; I'm immeasurably grateful for the viewership.

What is the 'Sheng Guan Fa Cai' ritual?

The phrase 'sheng guan fa cai'/升官发财 means 'to attain promotion/officialdom and reap wealth' - in other words, to succeed in life.

The Chinese word for 'coffin', 'guan cai'/棺材, is a homonym with the 'promotion/officialdom' and 'wealth' words of the above phrase ('guan cai'/官财).

It is in this pun that the 'Sheng Guan Fa Cai' ritual, associated with and performed exclusively by Chinese Hell deities, was born.

This ritual involves a down-on-their-luck supplicant lying inside a special coffin that has previously been occupied by a Hell deity and imbued with his spiritual energy, in order for the supplicant to absorb this and be rid of negative influences, so that his or her lot in life may improve.

Some very impressive results have been obtained via this delightfully morbid ritual, although given that a Hell deity's spiritual energy is not something everyone can withstand, it is not for everyone.

Thanks nacht,
I think I will be going tonight with my friend. Normally how much angpao to give for consultation ?

The amount is entirely up to you.

Traditionally, you offer an amount that is commensurate with the seriousness of the problem you are seeking a solution for.

Let me know how things go; I'm always interested to hear other people's perspectives of what goes on during consultation sessions, especially the perspectives of laypeople.

think that's 2 Bak Yeh?

He meant dee yah peh. No , gold peh is kim chee peh .

Bro Natch can provide a better explanation

This post has been edited by sales.convenience: Nov 23 2015, 05:28 PM

I recall that episode very well.

The hostess was not truly brought down to Hell.

Rather, she was merely made to think that she was there.

It was an attempt to teach the nosy girl and 'Master' Szetoh a lesson: be careful what you wish for, and do not regard Hell as a frivolous place that you can take trips to and from like Disneyland.

The Black and White Brothers will never bring a living person down to Hell without good reason to do so, as doing so is extremely dangerous and can result in serious physical or mental injury.

he is not dee yah. He is kim jee peh. 金钱伯。

The chap in gold is known as Uncle Bullion or Jin Qian Bo/金钱伯.

He is Hell's paymaster, a ghostly being who receives and stores all the burned offerings (especially money) that people offer their departed loved ones.

He will only distribute them to their intended recipients if they are deserving of such.

If these individuals have not behaved in a manner deserving of receiving their offerings (if they were particularly wicked in life, or if they remain unrepentant in death), the offerings will be either confiscated indefinitely, or re-distributed to more deserving souls.

Thanks for the info! Learnt a new deity today!

Keyword: 'saw'.

To see something doesn't mean you are actually where that thing is.

When you watch a movie or a TV show in which you can see some scenery in South America, does that mean that you are actually in South America?

Most of the Hell deities are ghosts, strictly speaking.

You seek different spiritual beings for different things.

If your car has broken down, do you go and look for a dentist?