It seems like more likely that XBox 360 WILL beat PS3 in rendering games in 1080p. It has been revealed that some 360 games, (Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, confirmed, and Call of Duty 2, Dead or Alive 4 awaiting confirmation) will be rendered at 1080p once MS updates XBox 360 dashboards around the world. If the said come before 17 November, XBox 360 will beat PS3 to render games at 1080p. And all this while, Sony is the one who hypes 1080p when MS kept quite about its "embedded" 1080p feature in XBox 360 and games ..





http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread....889#post8494889

never seen the PS3 in real life, no point do the prediction.

funny IGN thinks other wise..

isn't that the developer of Lair thinks, not IGN.

rendering power is secondary compared to the list of games that is coming out for that console

i am not trying to be mean but which part of the quote says that, XBox 360 wont beat PS3 in rendering games at 1080p?

oppps my bad. haha

how does rendering sequence work?? power processor? video card? ram bus speeds?? if the game cant even be made available on the xbox360.. wouddnt it mean tat the ps3 gives a more raw processing power? so in short. how can a xbox360 beat a ps3 in rendering.. esp in 1080p?? and didn u know whn thy launched the xbox360 it was said it could only go as high as 1080i... now only after some software updates could it reach 1080p.. correct me if i am wrong.

there wasnt any point hyping 1080p (when MS first launch 360 because there wasnt any 1080p display at that time!)

i am not saying that that 360 will beat PS3 in term of rendering 1080p. (God PS3 is not out yet so comparison cannot be done). I said 360 might do 1080p FIRST (BEFORE) PS3 even in the market if MS manages to get the dashboard update before 11 Nov.

Err.... so you believe 100% some developer who is justifying his choice for a platform? This isn't Carmack you know.

how can u say that the availability of the 1080p dispay is wat restricted xbox360 frm saying is supports the 1080p.. thn how did ps3 ADVERTISE tat it could support it thn!??!! tats a very ridiculous statement to make.


i would like to think the game developers hv the better edge of stating somthin rather the a forum tat speculates.. so yr statement that the ps3 is not out yet. it already is my dear frien. jus not in the market. its been tested and running around already. if u know where to search.. ULL be astonished!!!! welcome to sony man..

This post has been edited by ruztynail: Sep 23 2006, 11:00 PM

Great, it's out already, just not in the market. So the point of making something you don't sell is....? Nvm, it's a rhetorical question.

Game developers want to promote their agenda. If you are to believe the game developers, then according to Unreal series developers the Radeon 9xxx series was not better than the Geforce 5xxx series. Reality was that the Geforce 5 series was a failure, as admitted by nvidia themselves later on. Similarly if you ask the people at Valve, they will never admit that anything nvidia could be better than anything ATI.

So far i think the Carmack is the only trustworthy one because even when he was developing on nvidia and under their sponsorship for his Doom project, he admitted the facts. He's even critical of the current consoles including the xbox360 which he is developing on.

So know who to trust. Of course you have to be somewhat technically inclined to be able to separate the facts from the trash.

This post has been edited by ikanayam: Sep 23 2006, 11:29 PM

this post acts as a warning to u. Another word similar to "ridiculous' or 'nonsense' especially from people who make posts that u did, would lead me to report ur 'personal attack' to the mods.

and to counter ur illogical post, Sony also said there will be a worldwide launch this November. They also said that there will be 2mil units of PS3 available at launch. The also said that PS3 games will be 1080p when we know that some game developers would do 720p games. That is the same company that hype 50GB BD disk movies (yet nearly half year .. still no sign of the disk in the market). The same company that hyped BD as "beyond definition" then put numerous crappy (slightly better than upscalled DVD PQ) BD titles to consumers. The same company that speaks as though they are the king of all CEs yet incapable of producing simply products such as laptop battery, causing injuries, fire hazards and more than 6mil laptop recall worldwide in less than 4 months. Do u want me to continue !!!!!

oh yeah .. lets continue ..

the same company that publicly blaming Samsung Bd player for the poor PQ of their Sony Picture movie titles. U know what, BD movie titles from Warner Bros look amazingly good on the same Samsung BD player !!!

the same company that publicly claimed that MS' XBox 360 wont do 1080p rendering (just upscalling) eventhough when 360 is not updated yet (Sony have no way of knowing if the 360 do 1080p rendering) yet, the make public claim of the opposite.

This post has been edited by g5sim: Sep 23 2006, 11:58 PM

let me lay this out for you in the best way possible i can.. considering it took u awhile to answer technical questions in time intervals especially with huge edit times leading me to conclude u are still searching for information to give out your point.. so here goes...

here it shows inmaturity (dont take it personally-ill explain more of wat u claim are personaly attacks).. reason being you cant seem to tie previous post to the topics being discussed. my reply of the PS3 already out and running especially the development kits and hardware testers rather thn it being out in the market was because YOU said that

which obviously is NOT true cause u are already trying to hide from yr own point. COMPARISONS can BE made.. you jus dont wish it could..


come on man.. who are u trying to kid here.. we all ofcourse know that the GF5 series didnt make it reason being its costly and not power sufficient per-cost ratio.. tats why it didnt last long in the market.....

here is the kicker.. if u know... NVIDIA is more into games with DirectGL where as ATI Direct3D... unreal engine are based more on the Direct3D.. so i really cant figure where u getting this source frm??

its like comparing doom 3 using the ati and nvidia.. tats why its called a nvidia game reason being u get better performance using a nvidia card rather thn a direct3d card..



My reasoning here is.. becaused u used a forum to back wat u created this topic in the begining is totally uncalled for. and whn i tried to site a game developer with proper sources.. u start to bombard my statement without any proper referencing.

uh like wat facts?? u are not stating anything.. jus the word "facts".. all his projects are openGL based..xbox360 which uses an ATI card is a more direct3d compatible card.. u might say both cards support both API's already.. but its all dependent on the firmware and software.. but now?? thy are pretty much still seperated..

so yr point here is??? carmack surely has to be critical about the xbox360 lo.. look at my statement above..

i bet u are technically incline.. no wonder u could point out yr facts "right" from wrong..





oh..are those words an offend to you?? so if yr statement is "untrue".. i wonder wat kinda words i can use thn??? kudus another "brilliant" malaysian. and by you stating this..

isnt a personal attack.... is it?? .. my conclusion to this is that u are taking things too seriously. it kinda offended u in some way MOST people would termed it a Discussion.. but i guess u are jus one tat wouldnt take peoples comments and rather stand on yr ground without factual sources. or maybe you're jus incompetent


sure i do.. i luv to see u rant about somethin so totally unrelated.. wat does the battery hv to do with rendering at 1080p?? esp injury and all.. man u surely are off-topic here.

and for yr info.. there is already BD disc in the market.. its been out since early may 2006..


and for yr info.. again.. this is due to the microprocessing chip found in the samsung BD player which caused allot of hype esp consumers like u to think that sony is to be blamed.. come on man. read more articles.. it helps. and i think i know where you got yr sources frm the AVS forum..

well read this thn bet you it goes against wat u hv there.
bluray

conclusion. its still the player. if not why the firmware? do u hv proof of wat u are saying? where are the pictures???

and another quote.. for all the companies tat are still using sony's batteries despite wat had happend?? wat would u call tat thn? i call it client's loyalty.. if u know.. there are numerous call backs.. cars like honda, toyota, GM hv done it bfr. so wats so unusual? so as long thy dare to announce the problem, fix it rather then hide it. yr facts are obscure..


the market didnt claim the opposite my man.. THEY claimed it thmselves.

x-box360 1080i

another here

x-box 360
where is the 1080p??

look under HD era.. do u see a 1080p?? given TAT facts.. why shouldnt SONY use tat against their competitor??

want to look wat sony has to say???

ps3 1080p
ps3 -specs -1080p

if sony's could already knows wat their hardware could perform.

and xbox not quiet sure on that topic. and still require new updates/firware/software.. tell me.. who has the better edge?!!

so my honest opinion is.. dont take things to personal.. there are times whn u need to step back and look at a clearer picture and learn frm yr mistakes. because of one thing.

THERE CAN ALWAYS BE SOMEONE WHO IS BETTER THAN YOU ARE

cheers mate. dont get to feisty.... life is short.

This post has been edited by ruztynail: Sep 24 2006, 01:15 PM

Wow, for someone who's telling someone else not to get offended, that was rather charged

Anyway, i'm at a loss. I can't even find a starting point to rip apart your sorry excuses for arguments. I'll just state a few random facts i guess.

1. GF5 sucked because its shader performance sucked, simple as that. The rest are just side dishes.

2. Epic has always been nvidia biased. Read all the relevant interviews over the past few years and it's not hard to see this. Similarly Valve is ATI biased. Carmack is definitely more platform agnostic compared to them, and he also gives good technical feedback, which makes his comments the most valuable among the developers.

3. Yes i am very technically inclined, and graphics is one of the things i happen to know quite a bit about, else i wouldnt be able to design a gpu FP MAC

^ basically its pointly talking to that guy. that is why i no longer see his posts ... I used simple English to say that Xbox 360 might beat PS3 at rendering 1080p because some of the 360 games that are already in the market are made rendered in 1080p. This guys then for what ever reason accused me of claiming that 360 will do 1080p rendering better than PS3. I corrected him saying that he misinterpreted my post but give wont give up !! and come up with statments like this



basically i have concluded that this guy take Sony's press statements and every word from Sony's people as phrases in the Holy Book.

You do claim that 360 will do better 1080p rendering than PS3. See the thread's title.

TS, a simple edit of topic to "360 can/will do 1080p 1st" will suffice

erm, no need to take things personally, consumerism FTW!

this is because
XBOX 360 = ati
ps3 = nvidia
just my almost useless 2 cents..ATI fan...

some people just never read the post content .. that is one of the reasons i claim that news paper headlines are important .. people just read the title .. if paku karat read my post he will notice that :



see see ... its all about the context ..

ofcourse you are lost man. you are already bringing up everythin tat is not related to the topic..

1. why are u bringing in GF5?? did I bring in anythin unrelated? maybeu should mention about GF3 too since thy didnt work out well either

2. For crying out loud man.. all i am saying is.. you are getting your sources frm some forum without any proof or citation to say tat the "360 to beat PS3 at rendering 1080p".. which is by the way yr topic title .. jus incase u didnt know. you WERE standing on yr point from a FORUM, i GAVE quotes. get the giff?? maybe not..

3.OOOOO.. for someone to be able to think tat he is. his actions/words doesnt seem to speak wat he really is. tat means, for someone like me who does not NEED to design a gpu FP Mac. would only mean one thing.. if i join wat u are doing, it would PUT YOU OUT OF JOB>

come on man. firstly i think you should properly restructure your sentences. cause frankly half the time i dont know what you trying to say. i think its "pointless" rather thn pointly.

wat u mean by "you no longer see my post?" you completely ignore my posting? awwwww somthin you couldnt comprehend? or yr mind is jus too shallow for it?

you didnt use the word "might" you said "to beat" which means in the future or anytime soon. thy WILL beat. come on man. did yr english teacher do a piss poor job? or was that part heavily on you?

i DIDNT ACCUSE you. YOU made the statement YRSELF!!! get the fact straight first.. let me refresh yr memory

rings a bell??


another remark frm our kudus malaysian. i didnt take the sony's press as a holy book. i am jus going against yr "statement" that the 360 can even beat the ps3 interms of 1080p.. whn microsoft didnt even themselves think thy could.. sony already knew thy CAN ..

is tat jus to hard for u to comprehend?? nvm i guess u are such a hard headed tat everythin u say is right. well our fellow lowyatians doenst seem to think tat u are. so really.. learn frm this. everyone makes mistakes.


totally agree. our dear friend cant seem to understand the topic title in the first place. (and guess wat he created it).. now he is going against his own statement, trying to wriggle his way out of his own hole.. KUDUS to u man ikanayam..

This post has been edited by ruztynail: Sep 24 2006, 09:15 PM

dude,g5sim started the thread,not ikanayam...
you're addressing the wrong person

OK OK Ok, i have jus made a very direct conclusion.

here our dear friend is saying tat the xbox 360 beats the PS3 in terms of rendering. lay man terms, the xbox 360 pawns the ps3 interms of power processing.

here he is saying another thing. he is giving us a time line. WOW, he can actually count. and if you didnt know. there is nothin to be hype about if sony's product could do, why not state it?? MS isnt sure of their product capabilities until its launched and took about 6 months bfr rectifying it could.



so my question to you is this. why state in yr title tat the 360 could beat the PS3 at rendering 1080p?? the more appropriate title would be the 360 could beat ps3 TO rendering 1080p..

and goodness sake, i still couldnt figure why u brought in GF5?? and all those, if u are actually referring to a TIMELINE

i know .. he is one lost boy ... actually i used to forum post to 'prove' Oblivion is maded rendered at 1080p. That was all!! Since Oblivion is already in many many homes, and if MS update 360 dashboard before 11 Nov, 360 will beat PS3 at rendering 1080p. Paku karat can read that highlighted line in anyway he likes!!

LOL my bad, thy were both talking so similar in context i couldnt differentiate one frm another.

honestly paku karat isnt the direct translation for ruztynail. paku karat = rustynail.

thank you mr. obvious

LOL, u have no real proof that certain games on the Xbox360 was actually rendered at 1080p in the framebuffer at all. In fact some games are actually rendered at even less than 720p which are then scaled to 720p, PGR3 is one such example coz the aliasing is abit obvious compared to other games. Most games however are rendered at 720p in the framebuffer.

This post has been edited by redbull_y2k: Sep 25 2006, 01:11 AM

LOL i don't see how i've been dragged into defending g5sim's stupid title. Yeah, i'm sure i'd be out of job if an illiterate came along. LOL.

I'm talking about people gobbling down marketing talk without thinking or knowing better. In this respect both you and g5sim are just as guilty.

This post has been edited by ikanayam: Sep 25 2006, 01:25 AM

Ok, enough with this crap already.

g5sim & ruztynail: Enough with the personal attacks. The way you guys are defending each platform so religiously, calling you guys "fanboys" would be an understatement.

ikanayam: Could you please stop playing the devil's advocate? They don't need any help.

This is a fair warning to all of you.

I'm merely pointing out the obvious to the platform agnostic. I'm not helping either of their delusions. Don't blame me for something just because some tards didn't like a few facts i pointed out.

This post has been edited by ikanayam: Sep 25 2006, 02:59 AM

Yes I know, but we all know what happens when fanboys get hard facts that go against them right? The prepare insanely long posts that attempt (Often futily) to debunk whatever was said. Which has severely cluttered this thread with crazy long-ass posts with multiple quotes and font styles.

Its pretty obvious that the two fanboys have their own personal agendas, so please minimize your involvement.

It is your job then to delete such posts (and ban them if necessary ). I'm sparing the other people from being confused by them. We're both on the same side here, so you do your thing and i do mine.

Meh, it was just some advice. I wasn't reprimanding you.

Yeah got it. No offence taken.

awww g5sim.

the thing is not even out yet. and graphics mean shit witout good games. this is already proven by last gen's system wars.
triple a titles from gt franchise, mgs franchise, the rpg juggernaut ff franchise are the keys for ps3's success. nobody will play their games counting the poligons on doa boobs. this is my personal view, i think 360 is on a VERY good price now. but whats the use of buying one if i cant find anything interesting to play? i bought xbox to play shenmue2, and later lucky got forza.people buy the console because of the games. this aint pc we are talking about. pc enthusiasts buy the most powerful machine. console gamers dont. because we ONLY PLAY GAMES with it. this is the problem with most 360 owners i see, always wanting to bring the PC'ish attitude when dealing in console world. it aint the same. whats the use of a machine that can even make coffe when it craps out the same GENRE over and over and over again.its the games man. always the games. amd i aint talking about movies coz this IS the console section. how much is moore paying you anyways? banyak ka?

Yeah ok that's already well known. Let's continue with a technical discussion rather than a sentimental one about which console will win. That's beyond the scope of this thread. If you live 5 years you'll find out who sold more consoles and who made more money, so no need to argue about that.

The company that produces Oblivion has confirmed that the game is made rendered 1080p. i take that as a proof.

rather than this thread takes you to the point of no return. Just close this thread. What is the point. HD Gaming, Interlace, Progressive. As if you people have large screen to brag this stuff. Just play the game and enjoy. No need to make stupid thread like this and state 360 this and that. PS3 this and that.

Those who hate PS3 and 360 so much are just plain stupid. Gamers play all!!

Ok great, no one is stopping you from playing all. Go play.

somebody's hot

That can't hardly be taken as proof unless u have a more concrete evidence.

okay what ever .....

XBox360 games at 1080p isnt really using a full 1080p. Most of its raw data is compressed, due to low media storage, thats the HD-DVD.

With the PS3 using Blu-Ray media, they have far more storage, so most of its 1080p media is uncompressed. Meaning... better looking quality graphics at a true 1080p format.

When you say XBox360 beat PS3 at 1080p reso, yes they might be the 1st to come out 1080p games, but wait till you see the power of PS3 games with its 1080p/i games...

[moans like a zombie] meeeeee........wiiillllllllll .......notttttt.......buuyyyyyy.........ps33333........mmmmmmoreeeeeeee...issssssssss...ggggggoooooddddd......[/moans like a zombie]

1. Xb360 games don't use HD-DVD.
2. Compression is always used these days unless the developer is a retard. It maximizes bandwidth and reduces data transfer times. Also you can pack in much higher quality compressed data in the same space as you could uncompressed.
3. I'm waiting alright. I've been waiting for a year. But i know enough to not expect miracles.
4. You don't know what you are talking about at all.

to add to that:

1. BD is using VC-1, AVC/MPEG4 and MPEG2 encoding for movies.

2. BD titles have lossless LCM tracks which doesnt need a decoder to get the tracks in receivers. But the problem is the consume lots of space. There come Dolby Digital TrueHD and DTS HD Master. How do this two work? Some at the AVS Forum put it, they dont compress the track, they just 'zip' the tracks and DDTrueHD and DTSHDMaster 'unzip' the tracks and send them to receivers.

This post has been edited by g5sim: Sep 26 2006, 05:01 PM

we're talking bout the media n games but now you're talking bout the movies which is a different topic instead. Are u sure u know what you're talking about?

To shaznizzle : Yup, obviously u don't know what you're talking about there.

ai i vote jus close the topic la. the thread starter is talking way outside topic and everyone is giving gibberish comments without proper citation

sendiri tak tahu cakap pasal aper..

this thread is hilarious..

in less than 2 months SONY and Nintendo will release their next-gen console. at that time all the fanboys will come in full force! let the games begin!















j/k. stupid fanboy.

well actually PS3 will support 5.1 Dolby Digital FOR GAMES !!! and sorry its "PCM" not "LCM"



http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/

and on the video compression for PS3 and even 360. call me stupid whatever ... Its up to u guys.



Shaz said the use of BD media would allow developers not to compression tools. i gave an example of BD media that use compression codec .. MPEG, MPEG4/AVC etc.

I personally dun know which compression tool PS3 is using. There are saurces saying XBox 360 is using Window Media Video and Window Media Audio (WMV/WMA).



http://www.gamespot.com/pages/profile/show...ser=louislegros
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/profile/show...1&user=Hypn0sis
http://vision.pcvsconsole.com/?article=2

its getting tiring that i have to explain my post. I am starting to feel like my posts are read by parrots who cant seem to grasp that "to beat" has more than one meaning. i tengah bercakap dengan lembu kah?


This post has been edited by g5sim: Sep 26 2006, 09:13 PM

not stupid,la...
but wrong place

bla bla bla bla bla

Here's what happend when 2 clueless fellas trying to get their points across, a whole lotta confusion. Dude, we're talking bout the PS3 console and the blu-ray as the media, not the Blu-Ray movies. It's like comparing a DVD-ROM to a DVD Movie. Geddit?

So for any in-game movie for a game console, the developer can use whatever codec they pleased with. Be it BINK video, DIVX, AVC h.264, WMV or whatever they see fit. The console are not tied to only some specific codec like the HD-DVD/BD movies.

bla bla bla bla bla

This thread is sad..but funny

As much as i don't want it to be close down...but i think the most rational thing to do would be, shutting it down. (mod? er...my kungfu not strong enough)

Anyway...it's funnaayyy.

thank god im not the only one who finds this thread funny..

trust me.... u are not alone.

anyone here got a 1080p capable TV yet? Mine's coming....in about 10yrs maybe.

This post has been edited by BurgaFlippinMan: Sep 26 2006, 11:48 PM

WOW look at what I've just created... massive confusion. LOL.

I was talking about GAMES!!! NOT MOVIES!!! Ofcoz they use VC-1, AVC/MPEG4 and MPEG2 encoding for movies.... but I'am talking about GAMES!!! GAMES!!! GA............AMES!!!!

Yea its funny how the replies went, when people dont read.

1. Er.....
2. Hm.....
3. ??????
4. Profit!



Yeah no shit. Please don't close it down!



Pot... kettle... black. LOL

THE TRUTH!
all this cock talk of 1080p, when no one actually using a 1080p tv. if anyone here bought a 20k tv that capable of 1080p, he/she won't be b****ing ps3 better than x360 or vise versa, coz he/she be buying both console.

yea im buying both end of this year, add that with a sony bravia or sharp aquos and a crazy surround system for that crazy 5.1 surround sound.

However I know on paper that the PS3 is much more advance in console system both graphics and functionality.

I played the 360 for the whole night, borrowed a fren's of mine... hehe... well graphics is superb compared to my PS2... lol.. however theres much more improvements they could have made.. Thats wer my PS3 comes in.

okay since this thread has already become forumers daily dose of jokes ... i will just add this :

All this talk of 1080p and TrueHD sound.......you can brag on specs all you want, but unless you can fully utilise it with the right set of equipment like a real 1080p display system and sound system that decode that beastly TrueHD sound everyone been bickering about, then it is no use. It is sad when the fanboys claim victories over another just by shoving whitepaper and specsheets on another opposing fanboy's face, when they themselves are still punching controller buttons over a non-HDTV setup (read: ShitTTV) and computer speakers with crackling subs.

So until i see anyone here with those kinds of setup, with both machines running at the allegedly 1080p and that TrueHD thingamajigs, then please STFU with all this drivel.The Wii folks are laughing all the way to the bank with their underpowered console while the PS3/360 mindless zombies duke it on each other.

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Sep 27 2006, 11:02 AM

lol fair point,

fan boys.. sigh. where are the fan girls in this topic??

Please elaborate your points.
1. How is the PS3 more advanced in graphics and functionality? On paper of course. It's best to have numbers.

2. What improvements could have been made? How does the PS3 improve upon these weaknesses?

*insert preemptive laff here*

i have no doubt either 360 and ps3 is powerful enough to drive up a user's TNB bill

"always-on demo downloading" FTW!

K how about this. Once I get the PS3.. than we all see what happens next to this thread. U know the PS3 is way advance than the XBox360, just admit it. lol

No, no i don't. So enlighten me. The burden of proof is on you since you made the claim.

But of course, you didn't know what you were talking about in the first place so i guess you're excused.

Are you one of the developer for PS3? If not please wait until you can AFFORD to get a 1080P Plasma or LCD or whatsever Signal output device and the superduber power PS3 (You claimed it) then only put your comment here !!! Fanboys

And wait another most important thing, if you are SONY FANBOY, please support PS3 Orginal Games. Thank you.

This post has been edited by kyap: Sep 27 2006, 06:03 PM

i prefer "gaystation"

flame,fanboys!FLAME!!!

jeez..why is it everyone is feeling so insecure with the recent/future purchase?

Carmack...hmmm...Carmack...hmmm...ohhh...u mean the guy who made boring FPS for decades???


Anyway, 1080p or not is irrelevant. Most of us here ain't gonna buy a 40" LCD with 1080p anytime soon (heck, even if u can afford it, there's not much LCD/Plasma that can lay claim to 1080p except a few which will probably cost more than the lesser LCD/Plasma model anyway).

This is really a waste of time..

PS: I luv that "PlayMas>>>tation" pic. Cool.

This post has been edited by Matrix: Sep 28 2006, 12:08 PM

fan boys.. ai. ill jus buy all 3.. thn u all can slowly look and envy.

today's In-Tech got article of HDTV and Malaysia. 1080p tv price in Jap can buy you a car. thats how affordable 1080p tv is.

RTM has started testing broadcast in digital in Klang Valley. by 2015, Malaysia will stop analogue signal. between now till 2015, HD will replace the 480 signal. by that time PS5 and XBOX1080 has come out already.

technically

can the tv nowadays supports digital signals?

I think these consoles will be outdated by the time I get my hands on a 1080p tv....

i'm wondering that,too...

and if cannot,well,it's only rtm for the moment...

IIRC yes you can but you need to get a HDTV tuner that converts the digital signals back to analog. Someone please correct me if im wrong

I LOL'D at this thread, newbies with no technical knowledge trying to "out-wang" each other. You all lose, SPARC IV wins. RISC's days are dead and over. Even Apple came over to the CISC side. Join Us, We have Cookies. (Although the lines between the last few gens of RISC tech and CISC were pretty blurred)

No matter who wins, You still ain't getting Vista on no damned 360 or PS3

Next Gen consoles are seriously going to be b****es to program for as a few noted parties have asserted. And i'm going to agree with fishy, developers are obviously biased, that's why you have Nvidia's TWIMTBP and ATi's GITG, it's more like a, we pay you money and you program better for our cards, capice?

well said.

The statement about 1080p panels priced as much as a Japanese car is not true. The SXRD Sony RPTVs are prices competitively at 16 grand a piece, that statement in InTech refers to LCD Panels and Plasmas only. The SXRDs are ALREADY available at Sony Style KLCC, as well as MediaPlex KLCC.

Me? Im sitting on my ass waiting for the SED technology to bear fruition. As that article in InTech states, unless you sit any less than 2m from the TV screen, you wont notice much difference, plus motion blurs every screen details which negates high resolution advantages.

.....Or maybe i'll just turn on the impatient side of me and see if i can push the current TV i have now out into the bargain bin and get myself on of those SXRDs. Should have enough for one of those by year end, just in time to settle all this pointless bickering about whether 1080p is "all that" and all.

The point is, even on the "yesterday gen" consoles like PS1 and PS2, games like Vagrant Story on PS1 and Shadow of Collossus/God of War on PS2 looks and plays miles better than their flashier, beefier big bros on next gen machines,.......because of gameplay design and art directions. So , i need these next gen consoles to show me more than lens flaring or multipoint light sourcing to entice me. Gamers of the current lot are overexposed to techspecs blitz-pimping , and want more than just gajillion polygon pushing monsters.Ever wonder why Nintendo E3 booth have waiting line up to 3 hours just to get 15 minutes of play on the Wii? It is no longer about graphic whore mongering, folks!

to me gameplay is the important part in a game which is why ps2 win xbox and xbox360 in term of gameplay why bcos it got the most variety of games and more important it got a lot of RPG games which is why jap ppl go for ps2 so if want graphic i will go to PC since it will beat xbox360 and ps3 in a few month...

What are you trying to say? Okay! Let me rephrase your statement. Game Play is important for you and not the platform. And PS2 win over Xbox and Xbox 360 because of variety of games. PS2 has lots of RPG and that's why those Japs go for PS2 instead of Xbox. And you will choose PC since it will beat Xbox 360 and PS3 in a few month.

Consider this friend. You cannot compare Apple with Oranges. Consoles and PC are very different. PC's technology expands so rapidly even you cannot keep up. Consoles on the other hand are fixed that way until new Next-Gen is released. You do not have to upgrade this and that with console. All games are developed using the same technology and SDK. This is not the case with PC games. If you are stuck with your old graphic card, then New Games may not be playable or playable but with horrible graphics. Try and play Age of Empire 3 with Geforce FX 5200.

And...

PS2 is not comparable with Xbox 360 since PS2 is sixth gen console and Xbox 360 is seventh gen. PS2 and Xbox.. ini boleh compare!!

This post has been edited by necromanser: Sep 30 2006, 07:07 PM

i hope that stays true till the end of the console......line
what with sony(at least ken kutaragi) wanting to make consoles upgradeable,i think if that were to happen,i'd go back to PCs

relax..
but anyway,comparing gameplay/graphics is not fair,but in terms of sales,ps2 still outsells xbox360,right?(correct me if this is wrong... )