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STOCK MARKET DISCUSSION V148, Shale Oil! Bear or bull?
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SKY 1809
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Dec 19 2014, 11:06 AM
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QUOTE(ahwai @ Dec 19 2014, 11:00 AM) i used to work for warrants desk. structured warrants is mainly for goreng hentam / insider news. not worth for the average investor. 99% of the time investor kena burn. Ya U are right ... But it is quite unfair to investors cos there are no Put warrants for individual stocks in Bursa unlike the matured markets.. I wanted to tembak Put Warrants a month back..but could not find them for individual stocks....... Do not forget Call or Put warrants are issued with big premiums...but Bankers are still Kiasu to issue Put Warrants... BTW, bankers are allowed to push up and down on call warrants...so ikan bilis are playing against ( or rather paying the bankers ) the bankers...... So what is the chance of beating them the bankers ? This post has been edited by SKY 1809: Dec 19 2014, 11:16 AM
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ahwai
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Dec 19 2014, 11:15 AM
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Dec 19 2014, 11:06 AM) Ya U are right ... But it is quite unfair to investors cos there are no Put warrants for individual stocks in Bursa unlike the matured markets.. I wanted to tembak Put Warrants a month back..but could not find them for individual stocks....... BTW, bankers are allowed to push up and down on call warrants...so ikan bilis are playing against ( or rather paying the bankers ) the bankers...... So what is the chance of beating them the bankers ? No chance.. when banks issue the call warrants you are already paying heavy premium. then on of that bank control the buying/selling price. anytime can hentam down the warrant price.
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SKY 1809
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Dec 19 2014, 11:17 AM
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QUOTE(ahwai @ Dec 19 2014, 11:15 AM) No chance.. when banks issue the call warrants you are already paying heavy premium. then on of that bank control the buying/selling price. anytime can hentam down the warrant price. There is a chance for Put Warrants.....  Guys..I am not promoting anything here..just for knowledge sharing..... This post has been edited by SKY 1809: Dec 19 2014, 11:21 AM
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ahwai
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Dec 19 2014, 11:21 AM
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haha so far current bursa rules don't allow for short-selling cant issue single stock put warrants if can't short-sell
even if can issue, the premium is even higher for put warrants
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SKY 1809
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Dec 19 2014, 11:25 AM
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QUOTE(ahwai @ Dec 19 2014, 11:21 AM) haha so far current bursa rules don't allow for short-selling cant issue single stock put warrants if can't short-sell even if can issue, the premium is even higher for put warrants There used to be 2 Put warrants.on individual stocks ...so why the rules...say cannot issue Put Warrants Genting also can say some games which are of gambling contents.are banned ?....just mere excuse lah  Simply Bankers stand a chance of losing on PUT even with a big premium ..right ? This post has been edited by SKY 1809: Dec 19 2014, 11:28 AM
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MrLoo
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Dec 19 2014, 11:27 AM
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Dec 19 2014, 11:25 AM) There used to be 2 Put warrants....so why the rules...say cannot issue Put Warrants Genting also can say some games which are of gambling contents.are banned ?....just mere excuse lah  Sky gor hooted any nicorp?
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SKY 1809
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Dec 19 2014, 11:29 AM
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QUOTE(MrLoo @ Dec 19 2014, 11:27 AM) Sky gor hooted any nicorp? I go for Cash rich companies at current moment.....
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johnnyzai89
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Dec 19 2014, 11:31 AM
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AWC
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bhamophet
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Dec 19 2014, 11:40 AM
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darn. sink in abit on fbmklci-ch edi. marco still can collect? lol
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SUSlowya
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Dec 19 2014, 11:41 AM
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QUOTE(ahwai @ Dec 19 2014, 11:15 AM) No chance.. when banks issue the call warrants you are already paying heavy premium. then on of that bank control the buying/selling price. anytime can hentam down the warrant price. There is still chance if you know how to play it. Basically, the point of entry should be precisely at the end of retracement within an uptrend, I let you figure that out, but you are right that majority lose money.
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Bonescythe
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Dec 19 2014, 11:43 AM
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Bank release fbmklci warrant so tat they will have some brokerage also mah Hahaha
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ahwai
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Dec 19 2014, 11:45 AM
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Dec 19 2014, 11:25 AM) There used to be 2 Put warrants.on individual stocks ...so why the rules...say cannot issue Put Warrants Genting also can say some games which are of gambling contents.are banned ?....just mere excuse lah  Simply Bankers stand a chance of losing on PUT even with a big premium ..right ? no one say cannot issue put warrants. just that cannot short sell.. yes banks can still lose on issuing puts even with big premium
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SKY 1809
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Dec 19 2014, 11:48 AM
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QUOTE(ahwai @ Dec 19 2014, 11:45 AM) no one say cannot issue put warrants. just that cannot short sell.. yes banks can still lose on issuing puts even with big premium BTW , One ex banker just compensated investors for manipulating a call warrant just before its expiry .. It is done through SC/Bursa ....some cash refunds..after investigations done In a way, manipulation is proved ...not just a mere conspiracy theory as always claimed..... This post has been edited by SKY 1809: Dec 19 2014, 11:51 AM
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ahwai
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Dec 19 2014, 11:55 AM
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Dec 19 2014, 11:48 AM) BTW , One ex banker just compensated investors for manipulating a call warrant just before its expiry .. It is done through SC/Bursa ....some cash refunds..after investigations done In a way, manipulation is proved ...not just a mere conspiracy theory as always claimed..... yea thats why the warrants desk must show consistency in maintaining the price.. if not kena screwed.. the early days was quite cowboy
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SKY 1809
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Dec 19 2014, 11:58 AM
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QUOTE(ahwai @ Dec 19 2014, 11:55 AM) yea thats why the warrants desk must show consistency in maintaining the price.. if not kena screwed.. the early days was quite cowboy Thanks for all yours valuable sharing
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bhamophet
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Dec 19 2014, 12:13 PM
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one question leads to such enlightenment ^^
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SKY 1809
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Dec 19 2014, 12:29 PM
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It is good once upon a time to share some inner feeling or inside stories ... It is valuable so u do not make the same mistakes again and again.. But later u ask the same Q again and again...no one might answer u The price u need to pay lah......through your own mistakes.... This post has been edited by SKY 1809: Dec 19 2014, 12:31 PM
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Bonescythe
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Dec 19 2014, 12:36 PM
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Since now SC so active catching... they dhud go n dig out the case where DRB osk issued call warrant prior to expiry n limit down..
need to reprimand the culprit
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SKY 1809
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Dec 19 2014, 12:40 PM
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Dec 19 2014, 12:36 PM) Since now SC so active catching... they dhud go n dig out the case where DRB osk issued call warrant prior to expiry n limit down.. need to reprimand the culprit That was the one I talked about........ .compensations .u hit the bull eye...... This post has been edited by SKY 1809: Dec 19 2014, 12:42 PM
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SUSapj8188
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Dec 19 2014, 01:03 PM
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Dec 19 2014, 10:59 AM) U are not making the market factors to invest ..I presume ... U can buy low and sell lower ...no doubt about it .. Let me know when LG sinks back to 31sen..I want to buy some also  Buy low and buy lower  Roger captain
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