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post Jun 19 2015, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(antonio @ Jun 19 2015, 12:58 AM)
Can't wait to change the steering rack bush....driving with steering wheel senget abit is annoying....

But does PU bushes available for Persona? If the underpinnings are Gen2/Wira alike, then it must be available right?

Owh and tyres...tomorrow wanna do tyres first...Botak already the 2 in the rear... might go for Toyo T1R or Toyo DB....the problem is can't find many 205/(60,55,50)/R15 size tyres....Kumho got but search mudah, one shop in Sg Petani got sell.....if got maybe opt for that instead of the T1R 195/50/R15...

Any shops to recommend getting the Toyo tyres? hmm.gif
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https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3278428

QUOTE(ahnee92 @ Jun 19 2015, 01:20 PM)
yrs is auto ah bro?? 40 litres can drive how km?? because my fc doesn't meet up to my expectation, i pumped rm50 (RON95), can drive only approximately 200km, meaning rm0.25/km  cry.gif  cry.gif
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My city drive fuel consumption according to fuelly is around 11L+- on average, but it is not a good benchmark in any way cause I go beyond 4K RPM quite often. In one highway drive I recorded a fuel consumption reading of just 4.9L/100KM (odometer) at an average speed of 70KM/H ~ 80KM/H from Bandar Utama to Old Klang Road in the wee hours to tapao bah kut teh laugh.gif.

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QUOTE(kennywee92 @ Jun 19 2015, 07:57 PM)
BKT at old klang road? brows.gif
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brows.gif Not as nice as the ones at Klang. Soup is still ok. Klang punya always finish really fast + the content is not as much. grumble.gif
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post Jun 20 2015, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(antonio @ Jun 20 2015, 08:54 PM)
Got these from after12.... Hopefully gonna improve the steering feel...
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How much did you pay for them? Have you already replaced your steering rack bushings?
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post Jun 21 2015, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(antonio @ Jun 21 2015, 02:17 AM)
Around wanna close shop edi... Maybe 7pm i think...
Price is RM190 excluding GST... The other two products did not get coz budget lari already

I already installed the bushes, only now sterering senget abit, but definitely can feel the difference... Maybe if i change the another two bushes from whiteline can really get a better feeling.
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I see. How much was the workmanship? Did they have to remove the supporting column below? hmm.gif
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post Jun 21 2015, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(antonio @ Jun 21 2015, 02:00 PM)
Dunno, didn't ask about the workmanship price...maybe so exited until forgot to ask...

Btw i installed it myself... U mean the crossmember? Ya i remove it to allow easy acess...
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Ahh. Thanks. biggrin.gif Planning to change mine next month or later. Where did you do the DIY job at?
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post Jun 22 2015, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(ahnee92 @ Jun 22 2015, 04:39 PM)
usually yr speed (km/h) will be?? wonder which speed will be the best for fuel saving
9 months drove for 23km is typical la bro, yr main car right? this car can be consider as spare car la, i share car with my family and usually dun reli drive this, so after 8 months++ still 5.6k biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
I will do a calculation on highway fc next time, last time if nt mistaken, i drove all the way from seremban to Sunway hospital and then back to Seremban, means round trip, the petrol dropped for 1 and a half bar d rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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The petrol meter cannot really be trusted. For the first two bars it drops quite slowly, and as it reaches the halfway mark it drops really quick. Use fuelly.com or a car statistics tracking app instead to track your fuel consumption.
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QUOTE(short_tounge @ Jun 22 2015, 09:03 PM)
DIY Proton Gen2 hari ni ada berkaitan dgn NVH.. Apakah NVH?

NVH secara basic adalah ringkasan kepada Noise, Vibration and Heat, iaitu tahap kekedapan bunyi, gegaran dan kepanasan diluar dan juga didalam sesuatu kenderaan..

DIY ini lebih banyak kepada "Cabin Noise" iaitu tahap kekedapan bunyi di dalam.. Dengan menambah getah tambahan pada pintu, kita boleh mengurangkan bunyi angin dari luar yg masuk ke dalam cabin.. Ia juga sedikit sebanyak menyerap gegaran.. Asalnya pada Proton Gen-2 2005 ini hanya ada getah pada body sahaja..
Sebelum DIY ini, noise level didalam cabin mencatat nilai maksimum 92dB (decibel)..
So jom kita tgk adakah ia berhasil..

https://www.facebook.com/zainul.azraai/post...203723681246907

great info. anydone done this so far?
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I've used this rubber quite a lot. Now I took it out totally for my rear doors, and only placed some at certain parts that the front doors come into contact with. If you insist on doing this, use small D only for the front and rear doors. Big D will cause the doors to be really hard to close.

As far as I can tell, it does bring quite a difference if the door seals are already worn out. If your door seals are still in a good condition, I would not bother adding the rubber cause wind noise is generally not a big issue from the doors unless you are travelling above 120KM/H. Most of my wind noise now comes from the front windscreen after I replaced all four door seals recently.
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QUOTE(hyloy @ Jun 23 2015, 12:29 PM)
why after off my engine and take out car key, the beeping sound still there ?
every time i have to knock the key hole then only no beeping sound.
(with beeping sound i cannot activate the alarm system).

anyone of you encounter this problem ?
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Nope. But it might be related to a wire inside the steering column cover. I noticed that taking it out causes the beeping sound without any key, but I don't remember which wire it is. You're going to have to remove the cover to check, which should not be hard. Otherwise just send it to a workshop or Proton to have it checked.
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QUOTE(ahnee92 @ Jun 23 2015, 07:23 PM)
the pressure standard is according to our tyres size right?? mine is 195/65/r15.... how's your rim bro?? still using original alloy rim or ady changed? cuz might be thinking as well changing another black steel type sport rim in the near future
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You mean 195/60R15? hmm.gif

QUOTE(ahnee92 @ Jun 23 2015, 07:24 PM)
so normally how much u pumped bro?? then mine 250 like avanza d sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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I used to pump around 34 PSI (235KPA) for the front, and 32 PSI (220KPA) for the rear. Eventually I reduced it to 32/30 F/R cause the my tyres no longer gripped that well plus they were still a little too soft to corner as hard as I would like to.
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QUOTE(short_tounge @ Jun 23 2015, 08:40 PM)
Very true. I also notice most of the wind noise come from front windscreen. Does this issue have any solutions?

If no more wind noise drive later feels like kereta mahal aledi.
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This will involve quite a bit of money, I suspect. tongue.gif First of all you need to divert the wind away from the wiper blades, that involves shaping the hood or moulding a new piece of plastic that does just that. The next thing that might help would probably be an acoustic windscreen, i.e. windscreen that has a special material sandwiched between the glass layers to absorb sound.
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Has anyone had their compressor magnetic clutch replaced before? hmm.gif Mine engages quite loudly with two "pops" when the engine is just started for the day. During drives when the compressor engages it can be quite intrusive; the whole car slows down momentarily, and I can feel a kick through the throttle pedal.
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QUOTE(ahnee92 @ Jun 26 2015, 06:47 PM)
yaya 195/60R15, so normally hw much u would recommend?
if 220 nt mistaken, the tyres look like nt enough air pressure inside, that's why i always pumped 250 fo four tyres tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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Find something that you're comfortable with. Otherwise if you insist, 32/30 PSI for front and rear respectively.

QUOTE(ahnee92 @ Jun 26 2015, 06:51 PM)
accidentally came across with this one
http://corporate.proton.com/en/Motorsports...#PackageDetails

what do u think??
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The R3 rims look really nice to me. But they are 16" in size, so you will need to get new tyres as well.
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How much ATF fluid is drained each time for the Persona? I drained mine the other day, and it was definitely more than 4Ls, but I'm not sure how much more is it. I've added up to 4.9L of ATF already, and I cannot really fathom the dip stick reading after numerous shiftings and wiping. sweat.gif

Edit: I went around the net trying to find an answer before this, and it was either 5L or 4L or 4.5L. With the car started and after shifting through the gears, wiping and leaving the stick in for a few good seconds, the level is just slightly around a quarter below the max cold line, which is perfect. But I am in doubt because when I added the ATF the level didn't seem to be changing at all.

Without the engine started, the ATF reading covers both the max of cold and hot, so this is not really ideal, but then again the measurement of the ATF should be taken with the car started and after shifting through all of the gears according to the manual. doh.gif

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QUOTE(voscar @ Jun 27 2015, 10:39 PM)
4.9litre? wouldn't that overfilled? usually i read 4-4.5 litre on internet.
last week sent my car change atf, that mechanic did not even start car and gear still left in P when he's filling. he fill-up using 1 bottle of 4 litre, and i saw some atf leak down from beside, might because gear left in P?
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I'm not entirely sure either... Proton didn't include the drain amount in the manual grumble.gif. I only realised that it was more than 4Ls after the 4L engine oil bottle I was using overflowed, but I didn't bother to find out how much extra was there doh.gif. I went out just now though, and I checked the level at working temperature and it's touching the max hot line, so for now I believe that the ATF level is most likely around 5L if it's just normal drain with some extra time allocated for the ATF to continue dripping hmm.gif.

Edit: I think it might be leaking cause he poured too much ATF in one go. The air that fills the space in the gearbox when it's draining comes out the same way the ATF goes in. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(J-keyLudacris @ Jun 29 2015, 01:53 PM)
My car erytime change atf also put back 5 litre.
Got check and test erytime fill in. Prevent overfilled =) rclxms.gif
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I see. biggrin.gif So I'm just about short of 100ml now.

QUOTE(Beogatts @ Jun 29 2015, 03:20 PM)
any sifus can help me.. im not sure if its spark plug or battery signal.
everytime want to start, first try always fail to start. 2nd trial will start but takes abt afew "start sound".
battery going to kong or spark plug gotta be changed?
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How fast does the engine crank? If the cranking speed sounds slow I would say it's probably your battery. If takes more than 5 cranks to start I think it's quite normal for some Personas. Mine occasionally takes that long to start, but after cleaning the throttle body, replacing the spark plugs and et cetera it normally starts under 3 cranks, sometimes just 1 crank. It usually takes more than 5 if I release the key too fast and cause it to fail to start and have to do it a second time.

QUOTE(kausar @ Jun 29 2015, 03:31 PM)
mounting at proton they quoted rm600++.... compressor dont know maybe need compressor oil ...about no power better check spark plug , battery and throttle body
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I remember Zordaq told me that they offer the original engine mountings for less than that, but I don't remember the exact price. It was definitely more than RM300, but I would say that it's quite worth it if it's genuine Proton original mountings and not some 3rd party mounting like Schmaco or whatever. They say that the original mountings have much more rubber content.
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QUOTE(Beogatts @ Jun 29 2015, 04:26 PM)
thx but 1 more question.. n i didnt mention erlier.

when i start, it crank like normal but the engine wont yet start.. i have to do 2nd try to get the engine started (most of the time.. morning usually 1 try) is it consider normal or have to prepare for spark plug or battery change?
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Not sure also... I would check the spark plugs first, and if they're still good, I'd have the throttle body cleaned. If the cranking speed is normal for all the situations you have mentioned, I don't think the battery is at fault hmm.gif.
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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Jun 29 2015, 08:30 PM)
Nope. I think it should be B-Line, based on online photos (but not sure if those photos are for same year).

M-Line and H-Line got button at steering wheels, right?

Update: After checking <a href='http://<link removed>/2010/03/18/proton-persona-elegance-facelift-officially-launched/' target='_blank'>the old paultan review @ 2010</a>, I think it is B-Line instead.

Not sure if worth the buy @ 25k for a 2010 Persona, 60k++ Mileage
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M-Line does not have a passenger air-bag if I remember correctly, so you just need to take a look at the dashboard to verify.
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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Jun 29 2015, 10:07 PM)
Hmm in that case, wouldn't B-Line be the same (no passenger air-bag) too?

Doesn't sound right if B-Line has 2 airbags, while slightly expensive M-Line doesn't have 2 laugh.gif

Will try to take a look again when I get a chance this week. Still cant make up my mind cry.gif
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B-Line apa pun tak ada. biggrin.gif No airbags, no ABS + EBD, and etc
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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Jun 29 2015, 10:09 PM)
sweat.gif what. I thought got satu cry.gif cry.gif

Less the reason to upgrade now (my iswara pun takde)
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Your budget is around RM25K? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Cavino @ Jun 30 2015, 08:37 PM)
ATF refill should be more than 4 but less than 5. Always changed my steering oil using the remaining balance the of last bottle. Ngam ngam enuf...
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I see.

Anyway, for those who are interested in getting a much higher quality ATF for their Persona, I recommend the Petro-Canada DuraDrive MV which is a synthetic ATF that is compatible with many types of AT gearboxes. Gear shifts are really smooth and idling in gear is mostly a silent and low vibration affair now biggrin.gif.

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The price starts from RM5x per litre. It's a good RM20+ higher than the Proton SP3, but Petro-Canada claims that it can be used for the lifetime of a vehicle, or at least 100,000KM as far as I remember, so you're actually saving quite a bit here compared to purchasing SP3 and replacing it every 20,000KM/40,000KM.

Product link: http://lubricants.petro-canada.ca/en/products/612.aspx

An alternative that I read of recently is the Motul 1A that is also a synthetic ATF around the same price per litre, but I didn't read much about it.


P/S: I actually did change to this some time ago, but I did a mix of Petro-Canada's Dexron III fluid + the DuraDrive MV for both flushing and topping up, so now I am replacing a total of 5 litres of ATF with the DuraDrive only.

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