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post Dec 22 2014, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(rupart @ Dec 22 2014, 12:48 PM)
If let say I want to refinance from UOB to OCBC...any deals you can give ie ZEC?  wink.gif
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No ZEC but the refinancing costs can be included into the loan
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post Dec 22 2014, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 21 2014, 09:56 AM)
Hello,

First of all, let it be known that a fully paid house is not subject to the:

1. 70% MOF limit on the 3rd and beyond housing loan BNM ruling. As such, it can be finance for up to 90% of its value

2. 10 year tenure commitment calculation for the cash-out portion; your application will be calculated at a maximum of 35 year tenure (for the commitment AS WELL AS installment calculation) just like a normal housing loan application.

So these 2 points above work in your favor.

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Now, the house belongs to your mother with her name, but not yours on the SPA, correct? But you are the one with the big income; as such you are the ideal person to be the applicant for the loan. I would suggest an outie-3rd-party loan application which is a loan application with:

X as the person who owns the house, but Y is the one who applies for the loan with the house as the collateral. Of all the banks that I represent and know of, only OCBC can do an outie-3rd-party loan application.

Other banks are able to do an innie-3rd-party loan application only. That is X owns the property, X and Y both apply for the loan application with the house as the collateral. If your mother has an income, we can do an innie-3rd-party loan application while if she does not, or you would not want to burden her, it is best if we stick with outie-3rd-party loan application with OCBC.

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In a way, yes it is wise to settle the ASB loans and use the cash that you get from this refinancing to maximize your ASB units; you are simply switching your ASB loans for Housing loans with much lower interest to finance your ASB investment.

However, you may also consider investing the cash-out into other funds that gives higher than BLR-2.45% returns, while also keeping the ASB loans that are paying itself anyway through dividends (provided that you don't spend the dividend)

Whether or not any of these moves are wise depends on how you would like to roll. Do you want to be highly, medium, or lowly leveraged? A younger person with high income may want to be remain highly leveraged since it will give bigger and better rewards once you enter retirement, however, it also comes with the risks such as less than stellar performance by these funds that you invest it. ASB has never given a return of less than the BLR rates, however, the same cannot be said about other funds.

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Car loans are calculated based on simple interest, when you want to compare it to a housing loan which uses reducing balance interest calculation, you need to convert the simple interest into reducing balance interest. However, keep note that a simple interest loan such as Hire Purchase as well as Personal Loans have already had the interest included into the outstanding balance. Which means that even if you settle these loans ahead of time, you WILL HAVE TO pay the interests on the remaining years anyway. The rebates given when you do early settlements are the prerogative of the bank's officer.

So in short, I do NOT recommend for you to make an early settlement on your car loan. Instead, invest the money in TH, ASNB or other unit trust funds.

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I can be contacted at +6 013 369 3993 if you would like to proceed with the application. I also offer other kinds of services, including, but not limited to investments in equity.
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Thanks for your feedback. Very Informative. I was about to ask a few more questions but Aik_FEI kindly answered them all.

Very Helpful indeed!

Thanks Again.

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QUOTE(Aik_FEI @ Dec 22 2014, 10:50 AM)
Will it be a problem as my mother is age 60 in 2015?

if refinance under your mother name, tenure will be 10 years max, You can refinance and cash out under your name, 35 years is possible if your age us below 36 of years

Is it possible to cash out for a period of 35 years? Seeing as you recommend OCBC and HLBB which can up the tenure to 35 years?

35 years is possible as above mention, DSR can even reach 35 years as your house is now unencumbered, easier acceptance.

Is it wise to settle my ASB Loans as their rates are BLR-1.65% as compare to Refinance rates of BLR-2.45%(approx.)?

Yes it's radical decision to do so as u will save alot.

Is it wise to settle my car loans seeing as car loans rate a approx. 1 to 2% only?

CAR loan is in flat rate term, but with 2% flat rate calculation, paying it off with cash out amount is not worth. as the reducing balance rate for BLR-2.45% account for higher interest than the 2% car loan.

I also plan to cash out additional funds for emergency savings/life savings which I will put into ASB/ASB2 accounts. Again, comparing rates, ASB/ASB2 dividend of minimum 6% p.a as to Refinance rates of 4.4% p.a. (BLR-2.45%). Is this a wise decision?

It is wise for you to invest into ASB with your cash out amount, it also depends on your investment and risk appetite, as the ASB return yield is always higher compare to BLR-2.xx% .
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post Dec 22 2014, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(rupart @ Dec 22 2014, 12:48 PM)
If let say I want to refinance from UOB to OCBC...any deals you can give ie ZEC?  wink.gif
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NOPE,no such delicious scheme from OCBC !

as what @wild_card said, it can be included in the LOAN financing.

But, OCBC do offers extra 20% renovation and 10% personal contingencies scheme (BLR-0%)

if you opt for that, you can try OCBC ~
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post Dec 23 2014, 06:40 PM

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hey guys does having a study loan will be a deciding factor in banks to award you a housing loan??(ptptn, where by the sum is not as big as those studied at overseas)
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post Dec 23 2014, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(mhyug @ Dec 23 2014, 06:40 PM)
hey guys does having a study loan will be a deciding factor in banks to award you a housing loan??(ptptn, where by the sum is not as big as those studied at overseas)
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Isn't PTPTN going to be included into CCRIS come next year? Then yes, it will affect your loan eligibility but not by much. Don't worry about it. This is because most PTPTN borrowers have less than 50k outstanding, which isn't much, and shouldn't be the reason to stop you from getting a loan. Actual reasons that stop you from getting the loans are like:

a. being a crappy paymaster (you don't pay or pay your installments 'in bulk')
b. You have too much CC outstanding (worst commitment calculation. I would rather have RM100k housing-loan outstanding than 50k CC outstanding)
c. You are in AKPK programs

No one knows how the banks are going to calculate the PTPTN commitments (Will it be like a HL, HP, PL, or ASB loan?), but once we do know I will let you guys know too.

Most importantly is that you pay your installments on time ok?

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post Dec 23 2014, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 23 2014, 08:22 PM)
Isn't PTPTN going to be included into CCRIS come next year? Then yes, it will affect your loan eligibility but not by much. Don't worry about it. This is because most PTPTN borrowers have less than 50k outstanding, which isn't much, and shouldn't be the reason to stop you from getting a loan. Actual reasons that stop you from getting the loans are like:

a. being a crappy paymaster (you don't pay or pay your installments 'in bulk')
b. You have too much CC outstanding (worst commitment calculation. I would rather have RM100k housing-loan outstanding than 50k CC outstanding)
c. You are in AKPK programs

No one knows how the banks are going to calculate the PTPTN commitments (Will it be like a HL, HP, PL, or ASB loan?), but once we do know I will let you guys know too.

Most importantly is that you pay your installments on time ok?
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thanks for the advice, thus far my commitments to ptptn is quite manageable with my pay and what they are asking me to pay them monthly.
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post Dec 24 2014, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 23 2014, 08:22 PM)
Isn't PTPTN going to be included into CCRIS come next year? Then yes, it will affect your loan eligibility but not by much. Don't worry about it. This is because most PTPTN borrowers have less than 50k outstanding, which isn't much, and shouldn't be the reason to stop you from getting a loan. Actual reasons that stop you from getting the loans are like:

a. being a crappy paymaster (you don't pay or pay your installments 'in bulk')
b. You have too much CC outstanding (worst commitment calculation. I would rather have RM100k housing-loan outstanding than 50k CC outstanding)
c. You are in AKPK programs

No one knows how the banks are going to calculate the PTPTN commitments (Will it be like a HL, HP, PL, or ASB loan?), but once we do know I will let you guys know too.

Most importantly is that you pay your installments on time ok?
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From my understanding,gomen will only put people's name in CCRIS when they default paying the debt.but if they consistently pay,it will not included in CCRIS..

please correct me if i'm wrong
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post Dec 24 2014, 07:54 PM

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Wait are you talking about PTPTN in CCRIS? As far as I know... i dont know. So I guess we can wait until next year when they implement it. I wrote everything below before realizing that you are referring to the PTPTN in CCRIS.

I would venture a guess though, that everyone's PTPTN would be included in CCRIS, and if you pay your installments on time you have nothing to worry about. I will make some calls come Friday to confirm this though.

QUOTE(phlegmon @ Dec 24 2014, 06:48 PM)
From my understanding,gomen will only put people's name in CCRIS when they default paying the debt.but if they consistently pay,it will not included in CCRIS..

please correct me if i'm wrong
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For the benefit of everyone, I present you a redacted copy of a CCRIS report. As you can see, there are numbers in the columns on the right hand side. Each loan has its own row, and each loan has columns corresponding to the past 12 months.

The numbers represent the number of months the installments were behind in that particular month. 1 means on that month you should have paid on the 20th, but you paid between the 21st until 19th of next month. 2 means you delay the installment by 2 months, which is bad in the banks' persepective.

If you have 3 and above for any of your loans, chances are you would not get any loan from them until you reset the cycle by paying all of your outstanding installments as well as waiting 12 months until it cycles and gets removed from your record. Some banks only look at the past 6 months record, while others go for the full 12 months.

The CCRIS record posted belowe is a good CCRIS record, since the highest late installments paid is 1 month. Of course, a 0 across the board would be best but no body is perfect (some of my clients are perfect though.. .kudos to them)

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post Dec 26 2014, 02:55 PM

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hi guys would like some advice on the start of a housing monthly loan payment:

Per say i signed, and paid the 2% booking fee for a house on the 1st day of the month.

And lets say there is a 21 working day period for the loan process to go trough from that 1st day i signed(everything from searching, approval etc etc) and by the 22nd day of the month the agent , me and everyone involved signed the SNP.

So when does my 1st month loan installment starts?? the following month or on the same month?? hmm.gif

*for ease of calculation the dates are for reference only not any actual dates of the month .(since i know we may have more or less working days in a month)

also i would like to ask besides the BNM building in kl is there any other way i can get my CCRIS report??like online or something hmm.gif

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post Dec 26 2014, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(mhyug @ Dec 26 2014, 02:55 PM)
hi guys would like some advice on the start of a housing monthly loan payment:

Per say i signed, and paid the 2% booking fee for a house on the 1st day of the month.

And lets say there is a 21 working day period for the loan process to go trough from that 1st day i signed(everything from searching, approval etc etc) and by the 22nd day of the month the agent , me and everyone involved signed the SNP.

So when does my 1st month loan installment starts?? the following month or on the same month?? hmm.gif

*for ease of calculation the dates are for reference only not any actual dates of the month .(since i know we may have more or less working days in a month)

also i would like to ask besides the BNM building in kl is there any other way i can get my CCRIS report??like online or something hmm.gif
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If you pay your booking fees on 1st of January 2015 for example, and we follow all the processes as you mentioned, your first payable installment is "usually" the 1st of the month following your loan's FIRST DISBURSEMENT, with about 2 calendar weeks grace period

1. First disbursement is usually to pay off the Legal, Valuation, and Stamp Duty (LVS) fees if you include that in your loan. So in this case, the installments are payable a few months before you get your keys. Usually the money is disbursed to the lawyers within 2 to 4 calendar weeks from the date of accepting the loan offer letter (case to case basis, I've seen all sorts of time ranges), and if that disbursement happens on the 2nd of February, your Installment is due in 1st March with 14 days grace period.

2. If you do not include the LVS into the loan, there are 3 cases that I can imagine that would happen:

a. usually for properties that you buy from developers, the first disbursement when some money is paid by the bank on your behalf to the developer. Usually all you need to pay is the interest (and not installment) on the outstanding, calculated annually but on a daily rest basis. Should I explain what daily rest means? Maybe next time laugh.gif

b. for a sub-sale property but with you paying your LVS yourself, the disbursement would occur much later, which is when your bank pays off the vendor's own bank's settlement amount.

c. for sub-sale, you pay for your own LVS, and the property is not encumbered (no mortgage/loan on the property), the first disbursement is also usually your only disbursement. You would get your key very quickly this way, and the installments would be paid following that.

In short, the installments are payable after the first disbursement, whenever that happens depends on the circumstances. biggrin.gif


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post Dec 26 2014, 06:28 PM

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wahh jd lg pening hahah.

if i put it like this, the stamp duty + legal fees for the SNP i pay installments in 2 months time after i sign it, and the legal fees and stamp duty for the loan i opt to put it in my loan(if that's even possible lol), so when will my 1st payment to the bank is expected?

just a quick check, the legal fees n SNP stamp duty is paid to the lawyer right? and the SNP will only get the go ahead after your loans has been approved. so does this mean the legal fees+stamp duty of the loan must be paid to the bank 1st?? or is it paid to the lawyers also?? hmm.gif

and a side note this for a property sub sale(im not even sure what sub sale means, is it the completed homes where the owner asks agent to sell)

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wahh jd lg pening hahah.

if i put it like this, the stamp duty + legal fees for the SNP i pay installments in 2 months time after i sign it, and the legal fees and stamp duty for the loan i opt to put it in my loan(if that's even possible lol), so when will my 1st payment to the bank is expected?

just a quick check, the legal fees n SNP stamp duty is paid to the lawyer right? and the SNP will only get the go ahead after your loans has been approved. so does this mean the legal fees+stamp duty of the loan must be paid to the bank 1st?? or is it paid to the lawyers also?? hmm.gif

and a side note this for a property sub sale(im not even sure what sub sale means, is it the completed homes where the owner asks agent to sell)
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Sorry, didnt mean to confused you any further, but I want people to get it right the first time around; and yes, I can be a little long-winded in my explanations in the quest to be more thorough. I need to fix that bad habbit of mine.

Anyway, going back to your questions....

1. It would be about 1 to 2 months since signing the letter offer, this is due to the fact that once the bank disburse (release) the money to the lawyer for the LOAN AGREEMENT (LA) legal fees + LA stamp duty, you would already need to start paying for the installment in full. This occurs a few weeks to a few months before you get your keys!

2. Yes, the legal fees for the Sales-and-Purchase Agreement (SPA) and its stamp duty is to be paid to the lawyer, no banks that I know of would finance these fees into the loan. But this is where you have some misunderstanding, the SPA can be signed regardless of your loan status (Accepted, rejected.. in the process), some clients even make the mistake of signing the SPA before they get any of their loans approved.

3. Okay, i think I need to let you know that there are 2 types of legal agreements and stamp duties that you need to sign and pay for:

a) The Sales-and-Purchase agreement (SPA) between YOU and vendor + its own stamp duty. These fees cannot be financed into the loan
b) Loan agreement (LA) between YOU and the bank + its own stamp duty. These fees CAN be financed into the loan. It is usually disbursed to your LA lawyer in 2 to 8 weeks since signing the Loan Offer (LO). And once that happens, you would need to start paying for the installments in the following month.

4. No legal fees are paid to the bank. You are responsible to pay both of them (SPA and LA legal fees) to your lawyers. The only difference is that, the Loan Agreement legal fees can be financed into your loan, that is the bank will pay for them on your behalf, but you are in effect taking a loan from them. The SPA fees and its stamp duty you need to pay out of your own pocket.

5. Yes, sub sales is usually referred to buying completed properties; not under-construction by the developers. There are exceptions to this, but in general it is like buying a second-hand car. You buy it from individuals or 2nd hand car shops, but not from the manufacturer or official dealer.

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ohh thank you. now understand better. and will plan accordingly.
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Hi all. I'm looking for a topup loan to my apartment. I'm using Hong Leong Islamic Loan. Anybody can help me out do PM me yeah. Thanks a lot! wink.gif

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a. being a crappy paymaster (you don't pay or pay your installments 'in bulk')
Pay installments in bulk is bad? In what way?
(I usually pay large sums one time for my HP and CC)
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QUOTE(Zavia/GenX @ Dec 30 2014, 10:33 AM)
Pay installments in bulk is bad? In what way?
(I usually pay large sums one time for my HP and CC)
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If you pay it forward, no problem. If you wait for 3 months before paying your past 3 installments in one go, your CCRIS would be affected. This record will stay for the next 1 year or until you settle and cancel the account.
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Hi all,

Plan to purchase a shoplot office ard 700k using a sdn bhd.

In order to get the approval of the loan, can anyone advice how to work out the minimum monthly revenue for the sdn bhd as well as the minimum tax payment amount for the current/previous year? (in order to qualify for the loan)

Also, any difference between personal purchase and sdn bhd purchase in terms of the loan interest rate/requirements/etc?

Appreciate if anyone could assist!

Thanks!
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Hi, I have several questions here, tried read through this thread, but not quite found answer I'm expected. I'm sorry if this was answered previously..

- A family member, my aunt wanted to sell her apartment to me. She might want to sell it under market value. Is there any problem with it? say, the apartment in the area priced around 100k, but she wanted to sell around 70-80k.
- About first home scheme, if I bought a house under my name and I rented it out, then latter when I got married, and me and my wife wanted to buy another house, what's problems I might expected? something like higher deposit %? is it true?
- MBSB 105% first housing loan, is it recommended?

Thanks a lot for any replied. Really appreciated
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QUOTE(wuwah @ Dec 30 2014, 07:49 PM)
Hi, I have several questions here, tried read through this thread, but not quite found answer I'm expected. I'm sorry if this was answered previously..

- A family member, my aunt wanted to sell her apartment to me. She might want to sell it under market value. Is there any problem with it? say, the apartment in the area priced around 100k, but she wanted to sell around 70-80k.
- About first home scheme, if I bought a house under my name and I rented it out, then latter when I got married, and me and my wife wanted to buy another house, what's problems I might expected? something like higher deposit %? is it true?
- MBSB 105% first housing loan, is it recommended?

Thanks a lot for any replied. Really appreciated
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1. No, there would not be any problem with selling the house under the market value.

2. No problems whatsoever. The rule is that the first 2 properties can be bought at 100 or 90% margin of financing (MOF), while the 3rd and beyond residential property loan will be capped at 70% MOF.

I have helped many youngsters get their 100% loan schemes, no issue as long as you qualify

3. I don't represent MBSB so I cant speak for them. However, do note that buying a house requires paying the house for 100% of the selling price, plus about 2% loan agreement legal fees and 2% SPA legal fees. With the 100% loan that I do, it covers the 100% of the selling price, not the 2% + 2% legal fees that you need to pay as well.

The interest rates for 100% loans are the same as other normal loans, I am not sure about MBSB though. I heard their rates are higher than normal.
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hi wild card, can you shed some advice on the insurance for housing loans.

some acronym like MRTA/MLTA/MDTA and many more since ive seen different bank seems to have a different name. correct me if im wrong this is all insurance regarding your loan, and on what features do they differ?

also per say we do take 1 for our loan, how much do we incur to the loan were borrowing, is it monthly or one shot? and last but not least do we pay another set of fees to the insurance company?

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