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 Mortgage Loan Package Inquiries, (Strictly NO Promotion Allowed)

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post Aug 18 2015, 06:46 PM

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QUOTE(kinmin888 @ Aug 18 2015, 05:31 PM)
Hi, I'm in the midst of purchasing a unit at Tropicana Height Kajang.
Can someone quote me the loan package of the following:

1. Loan Amount: 865k
2. Percentage: 90%
3. Tenure: 35 years

Looking for full flexi.
First time property buyer.

Thanks.
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You have to furnish further info ie your existing loan commitments, your age, your net income after the statutory deduction, whether loan is under joint-name.
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post Aug 22 2015, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(ims2628 @ Aug 22 2015, 10:35 PM)
BLR 6.85 - 2.2 = 4.65 hmm what's your current outstanding loan amount?
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4 years could have passed the lock in period, can advise him to consider refinancing given the rather high rate of his current loan provided the outstanding loan amount is not too small and no other adverse findings.
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post Sep 2 2015, 08:10 AM

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QUOTE(Madgeniusfigo @ Sep 2 2015, 02:13 AM)
1.
Full flexi:

1) current account tied to loan account
2) auto debit from current account at month end and interest is calculated based on outstanding balance minus amount in current account
3) maintenance charge of RM10 per month
4) setup/ processing fee of Rm200
5)The liquidity comes in the form of an ATM card or a linked CASA account to the housing loan.
Example: You have a shop that is opened Monday to Satuday, rest on Sunday. On Saturday, you deposit all your proceeds of the week into the flexi account, on Sunday, you would save [(your-HL-interest-rate)/365]*AmountDeposited worth of interest. On Monday, you withdraw the money to run your business

Semi Flexi

semi flexi package typically has these features:
1) requires you to phone in to indicate the extra payment as early settlement of advance payments
2) if you fail to indicate, you will be charged 1% (some banks do this afaik)
3) if you indicate advance payment, no additional interest is saved as "advance" payment will only be credited to your loan account when it reaches your cycle date, so it is plain advance payments. and must be in multiple of your monthly payment.
4) For redrawable prepayments, you need to indicate separately and Redraw charge of RM50 is imposed (M*B charge Rm25)
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MRTA

a) very Cheap premium
b) usually buy MRTA covering 15 years term
c) the protection will reduce with time. protection for RM500K PROPERTY
year 1 Rm495k
year 10 Rm180k
year 13 Rm50k

Hence, any death happen during year 12-13tenure, the protection cover only small amount , becacause you paid small premium
d) Any refinance, MRTA will deactivated

MLTA

a) Pay more for the premium
b) Protection Cover for Rm500k property
year 1 RM500k
year 15 Rm500k
year 35 Rm500k
c) Refinance are allowed and won't deactivate the protection
d) Transferable to other property
very brief explanation.
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Pls note that not all bank / FI have the same product (flexi / semi-flexi) features / charges / modus operandi.
For MRTA, using the example you have quoted, although the protection reduces to much smaller amount, the loan reduces to thesame / similar amount too (provided the MRTA bought is to cover full loan). Also no such thing as "usually buy MRTA covering 15 years term"
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post Sep 3 2015, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(Madgeniusfigo @ Sep 3 2015, 12:40 PM)
hi

I would like to lend you a helping hand, but before would you provide me with few details ?

1. how much is ur asb commitment?
2. how much is your net income?
3. what's your other debt and commitment? (car, house, credit card outstanding and personal loan)
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Hmm... what about age and number of other mortgage loan o/s? hmm.gif
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post Sep 4 2015, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(jhbey @ Sep 4 2015, 02:52 PM)
Talam still exists?
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Still survives tongue.gif
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post Sep 10 2015, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(jackor @ Sep 10 2015, 10:33 PM)
so the suggestion way would be doing refinance for the RM300k and apply for OD facility for the RM150k. Will this help to save up on the leave and stamp cost?
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Unfortunately the answer is negative.
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post Sep 12 2015, 01:42 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Sep 11 2015, 06:09 PM)
Bank Negara Malaysia decided to maintain the Overnight Policy Rate (OPR) at 3.25 percent.
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Bro, expected rate to be status quo whole year.
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post Sep 12 2015, 01:56 AM

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QUOTE(Madgeniusfigo @ Sep 11 2015, 06:55 PM)
What are they thinking, seriously zeti.. seriously.

With such a weak economy, raising the interest rate to 3.75% still plausible. We need higher interest rate to lure more FDI into the country.

Export on the other hand with low currency, doesn't increase much, so with increase of interest rate won't affect much on exportation sector.

MALAYSIA Economy is looming into darkness.
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Sorry but totally disagree with your view to hike rate, more so by 50bps for now. There is lack of convincing reasons to support any rate hike. If that happens, it might cool the economic further insted of stimulating it. Further, high domestic household debt level is another concern which may trigger higher loan defaults should the rate hike happen. Increase rate to boost the curtency is also a no no situation based on our current situation. Raising the rate doesn't mean attract FDI but instead hot money.

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post Sep 14 2015, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(falxon88 @ Sep 14 2015, 10:29 PM)
Dear sifus, I am preparing to purchase first subsale house but I am not sure how much should I prepare for the entry costs.

Based on my understanding, If I were to loan 90%, I need to prepare 10% downpayment. What about S&P and Loan agreement legal fees and stamp duty? I found few websites that provide the calculation. Some websites includes GST, some don't. So should I take account of 6% GST?

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Legal fee is subject to 6% GST whereas the stamp duty is not subject to GST. For loan, the stamping is 0.5% of the loan amount whereas for S&P it's just a nominal stamping of RM10.
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post Sep 19 2015, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(phengeon @ Sep 19 2015, 08:00 AM)
Wat if he set up a sole proprietorship company to make himself self employed n sign the working contract w the current employer. Together w my all other advices wil it b strong enough to get bank loan?
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Setting the sole prop company doesn't help in this particular situation. The bank will likely probe what biz is carried by the sole proprietorship, the income proof, why no tax declarations for the sole prop biz, the bank statements which evident the funds flows of biz etc.
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post Sep 22 2015, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(Madgeniusfigo @ Sep 22 2015, 01:39 PM)
As you apply for loan, loan submitted, your ccriss will show pending approval at "Äpplication for credit" Section.

So when you submitted to Bank A

Bank B will see a pending approval for bank A.

When you submitted to Bank B and Bank A

Bank C will see 2 bank pending approval.

so when you submitted to 4 banks

all the bank credit department will know you submitted to few banks and pending approval.

They will be curious as why did you submit to so many banks, is it a fraud? or something fishy is going on, this will lead to a lot of query and in the end bank will feel reluctant to finance your loan or even slash margin of finance.
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Apply for few banks (says 4 banks) at one time for the same purpose (purchase a same property) is not an issue and in fact I would suggest people to consider doing it to safe time and to get the best deal.
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QUOTE(rainderain @ Sep 22 2015, 02:06 PM)
mean that the ccris will show if same purposes is ok?
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CCRIS won't be able to show much details (eg collateral and facility type) on those loans under application status pending approval or acceptance by the customer. Although the bank's credit approver may question why there are few loans under applications, if the amount of each loan application is about the same, normally the bank officer can accept the explanation of several applications at the same point in time for the same purpose, which is not uncommon at all. Of course, if you go and apply from 10 banks - that's extreme situation.
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QUOTE(rainderain @ Sep 24 2015, 12:34 AM)
Property 198k loan 90%,may I know roughly the rate for interest can get about 4.4?
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Not likely.
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QUOTE(ims2628 @ Sep 24 2015, 01:08 PM)
You can try ambank just recent i have one case approve with 4.4 around your purchase price.
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QUOTE(btan @ Sep 26 2015, 11:35 PM)
hi, i had a question regarding my housing loan with CIMB flexi loan.

example: my house is rm300k, then i pay deposit to developer 30k. left 270k for house.

but , i found out on my current acc CIMB they pay off 10% (30k) to developer and i starting to serve interest daily rate.

in my thaught, suppose bank charge me 27k or 30k for 10%?
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I presume you borrow 90%. You have paid the first 10%. The next billing shall be 10% too based on S&P (I presume yours is residential). The billing is based on the S&P price, not the loaned portion, so the answer to your question is RM30k released by your bank and so certainly the interest is based on RM30k too.
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post Oct 5 2015, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(Madgeniusfigo @ Oct 5 2015, 08:35 PM)
Yes, fine print is written in your loan agreement.

Base rates are rate set within individual bank itself and changes to the rate aren’t directly intervened by the central bank alike BLR. Base rate differed across different banks and the rates are set depending on bank own efficiencies in lending; means to the bank liking itself.

Base rate comprising of:
Base rate(Benchmark cost of Funds + SRR) + Spread (profit margin, operating cost, liquidity risk, credit risk)= Effective lending rate
Base rate + Spread = Effective Lending rate

*We always look at the effective lending rate for our final loan interest charge*

Base rate:
a) Benchmark cost of funds are adjusted by banks itself depends on its own valuation of its lending ability.
b) Statutory Reserve Requirement (SRR) are the minimum bank reserve quota set by BNM.
Spread
c) Spread is the margin of profit that banks set according to the borrower risk value.

Fun facts:
1. Base rate is different across different banks.
2. When OPR adjusted by BNM, Base rate wouldn’t bulge.
Base rate would either stay neutral or increase, depends on bank owns decision. Base rate could even change without OPR altered.
3. SRR is the reserve requirement that bank needs to uphold, set by BNM. It’s a liquidity management. When BNM believes economy is prospering and lack of funds, it may reduce SRR requirement to keep less money as reserves in bank and have bank lend more fund out for economic activities. This lead to higher loan growth. The changes of Base rate can reflect the effectiveness of Government Monetary Policy.
4. Spread are defined according to the borrower risk profile, but spread rate are mainly fixed when display to public, as most of the borrower holds almost identical risk.
5. Base rate will be adjusted every 3 months, it’s following KLIBOR. Every 3 months we will witness a changes in bank base rate

Example:
Jan OCBC rate 4.02
April OCBC rate 3.92

6. Spread rate will not change and is fixed till the end of the loan tenure
7. even when base rate is superbly low, the effective lending rate in the end could be higher.

Example:
Maybank: Base rate 3.2% + Spread 1.5% =4.7%
OCBC: Base rate 4.02%+ Spread 0.5%=4.52%
It all boil's down on the spread given, hence do look at the effective lending rate instead!!! Shop around and ask your mortgage agent.

Base rate
Pro
a) Greater competition between banks
b) Higher transparency, as bank will display their profit margin and bank lending efficiency
c) Bank loan rate changes will have a higher correlation with Malaysia market economy and OPR.
d) Better indication in monetary policy changes.

Cons
a) Uncertainty. Rate will change every 3 months’ time.
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It's misleading / incorrect to say:
1) Base rate will be adjusted every 3 months,
2) Base rate is following KLIBOR.
3) Every 3 months we will witness a changes in bank base rate
4) Bank will display their profit margin and bank lending efficiency
5) When OPR adjusted by BNM, Base rate wouldn’t bulge.

Firstly, every bank has to set their own policy that governs the setting of base rate (BR), the monitoring, what circumstances which may trigger a review, the pricing components (ie the spread) etc. It depends on the policy set by the respective banks how frequent a review on the BR is required and under what circumstances (other than the periodic review) that warrants a review and revision on BR. The bank may not necessarily use KLIBOR as the benchmark cost of funds in determining BR though most banks do so. When there is a hike / cut in OPR, it is very likely that the BR will be adjusted accordingly, in the same direction of movement though quantum may or may not be the same. Nevertheless, if a bank BR uses says KLIBOR as reference benchmark, KLIBOR may have moved ahead of OPR (if the market has widely anticipated OPR change in the next monetary policy meeting), and that may trigger a change in BR ahead of OPR change.

Lastly, the bank displays the BR and the spread but unless ones has privy access, hardly any one knows how much the profit margin charged in the spread.
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QUOTE(Dallen @ Oct 5 2015, 11:34 PM)
Hey Jason, so overall how do we make judgements then?
I currently deciding on two banks offer:
MBB 3.2 + 1.2 while RHB 4.0 + 0.4
Both also 4.4, which spread is better? Sorry noob in all this BR thingy. Also, i would like to know both banks in generally, which is better? Considering services, bank stability, etc. by the way RHB full flexi whereas MBB semi.
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Unfortunately from the BR itself I'm unable to tell which one is preferred over the other. For the sake of simplicity, just look at the effective lending rate, ie the all-in-rate by adding the BR with the spread. If one wants to be more advance perhaps can do some financial analysis on the balance sheet and P&L to study the bank's funding structure, net interest margin, cost to income ratio etc but this overall mainly is to see how flexible can they "play around" with the spread - I may have gone too far and this is totally unnecessary to just make a decision on which bank's offer to take sweat.gif

RHB full flexi - I reckon that this product charges no monthly maintenance fee or any one-off fee, no restriction in the amount of money to be withdrawn, funds can be withdrawn through ATM, online, cheque and at the branch anytime. Quite an attractive product.

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post Oct 11 2015, 12:38 AM

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QUOTE(Madgeniusfigo @ Oct 10 2015, 11:50 PM)
Yes, credit card unsecured lending will be recorded inn your ccris.
having credit card will be alright!

Yes, legal fees, stamp duty fees and valuation are calculated with tiers.

Legal S&P:

<=Rm150k = 1%
<=1million = 0.7%
<= 3million = 0.6%

Legal Loan:

<=Rm150k = 1%
<=1million = 0.7%
<= 3million = 0.6%

Stamp duty S&P

<=100K = 1%
<= 500k =2%
> 500k =3%

Stamp duty loan

0.5% on total loan amount

Valuation fees

100k = 0.25%
<=2million = 0.2%
<=7mil =1/6%
This are the tiers payment, it is the bottom net price you have to pay, there is lots of other cost (gov tax, strata transfer ownership fees, S&P preparation fees,
professional fees, etc etc)

Yes, purchasing higher property prices, your LVS fees will follow accordingly.
But anyway, first time home buyer you will get
1) 50% discount on stamp duty

Moreover, you can actually request lawyer to give you good discount, at least the fees aren't that outrages though.. haha
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Minor correction:
- stamp duty on S&P is just a nominal fee of RM10/-
- Memorandum of transfer (MOT) is the one that follows the tiers ie 1st RM100k is 1%, next RM400k is 2% and the balance (that exceeded the RM500k) is 3%.
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QUOTE(yck1987 @ Oct 11 2015, 12:48 AM)
Does the Memorandum of transfer (MOT) you mention is pay together with the other legal fees or after some years of project VPed?
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MOT is to be paid during the execution of the transfer of title and this normally is done after the completion of the project.
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QUOTE(Madgeniusfigo @ Oct 11 2015, 01:16 PM)
To make things clear, yes Stamp duty S&P as MOT is much accurate. You will pay for the MOT when transfer of title happens for Undercon project, it will take few years time until developer successfully applied strata/indiv title.

For subsales, you will straight away pay MOT and STAMP duty S&P.

Anyway, you will still pay the same amount at the beginning for subsales and undercon, because usually lawyer doesn't want any delay for the title payment when it is transferable, hence they will request the payment to be done all together.

The calculation part, yes it will be around that figure. Most accurately ask lawyer to quote and remember to ask for at least 30% of discount wink.gif. Usually clients get 30-40% discount. laugh.gif
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I beg to differ. For property under construction, the developer / lawyer will normally ask for MOT execution when they want to do the title transfer during the delivery of vacant possession. It's not paid at the beginning.

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