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post Oct 16 2015, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(mrlovesmrs21 @ Oct 16 2015, 11:46 PM)
Dear all,

For property loan, does the bank check on the bank statement that shows the salary deposited each month, or based on the KWSP statement, or both?
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Generally both.
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post Oct 17 2015, 12:08 AM

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QUOTE(mrlovesmrs21 @ Oct 16 2015, 11:55 PM)
If some of the income failed to show the payment of KWSP, how can we prove to the bank? Eg : Monthly Director Fees & Profit from Investment in Company.

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I presume these are not a stable recurring income. Other than your own bank statement which shows the credit of the funds, if you are able to show the bank statements of your company (which you hold the directorship) that evident the payment, then it would help too. Else your bank statement alone still can be served as evidence with other supporting docs eg a company search or company statutory forms to show that you are one of the directors in that company.
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post Oct 25 2015, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Oct 25 2015, 08:28 PM)
the stamp duty for the SPA is indeed very expensive... the LA, not so much (flat rate of 0.5% of the financing amount)

Unfortunately for this budget though the NEW 20% discount applies only to the loan agreement stamp duty.

But every bit matters I guess?
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Bro, isn't the stamping for SPA only a nominal RM10? I guess you are trying to refer to the MOT.
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post Nov 24 2015, 07:26 AM

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QUOTE(Madgeniusfigo @ Nov 23 2015, 11:43 PM)
Dear,

Where your sources come from?

1. For BR, bank has the right to either increase it, maintain it or decrease it. Hence, it will be subjective

2. For BLR, the increase will depends on BNM, hence if it increase, the cost of borrowing will rise and BR will logically rise accordingly. But, BR changes are controlled by own respective bank, hence if the bank wants more business, they will maintain or to the extend lowering the rate.

3. Anyway, I would agree that BR and BLR will increase in the future, look at the weak ringgit and the economy by itself. The market need to self correct, even though increasing the rate will pressure the mortgage market with high housing debt to GDP. But let's just cross our finger and hope for the best. laugh.gif
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With respect to point no 2, BLR hike / cut is determined by the bank itself and not BNM though BNM monetary policy will have great influence to it and also to BR. Please also be noted that BR and BLR has to be changed together in same direction and same quantum.
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post Nov 25 2015, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(Madgeniusfigo @ Nov 25 2015, 01:33 AM)
Dear,

1. Special attention account is cater for people who unable to pay off their debt and consult AKPK. When you consult this special services, it means your debt is out of control and you are unable to pay it off or continue with the installment. Hence, the debt that AKPK help you reconstruct will be listed in your ccris whereby, located at special attention account.

This is not a serious offence though, you won't go into jail. Anyway, with this special attention account listed, no bank will finance you mortgage loan. The logic behind is, if you are unable to pay off your current default debt, what makes you think you are able to pay off your future mortgage loan?.

2. The only way to deal with this is you settle off the debt A.S.A.P, before you apply any loan in the future. After you had settle the default, your status will be remove straightaway (or grace period of 7days)
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Special Attention Account indicates whether the borrowing entity has any written-off or partially written-off account. For debt managed under AKPK, an indicator will be shown under the Status of credit facility as "K". Both are different.

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post Dec 3 2015, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(Madgeniusfigo @ Dec 3 2015, 08:25 PM)
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From Year 1983 till Year 2015 1th January, We have been flirting with Base lending rate (BLR) on all our mortgage loan applications. Base lending rate is the minimum interest rate benchmark for every of our floating loan interest rate to charge us the ‘’borrower. The last adjusted BLR rate was 6.85% and what does it mean?
Example:
a)Maybank mortgage loan, Rm500, 000 Property price, 35 years, 2.5% (This is the rate offer by individual bank itself), 100% Margin of finance by bank.
How is the installment calculated?
BLR 6.85 – 2.5%= 4.35% Effective lending rate
The interest rate charged on the loan will use ELR (Effective lending rate) 4.35%, hence the monthly installment would be Rm2320, total interest Rm474, 421
b)If Public bank offer, Rm500,000 property price, 35 years, 2.5% (This is the rate offer by individual bank itself), 100% margin of finance. But with BLR change to 6.95
BLR 6.95 – 2.5%= 4.45% Effective lending rate
The interest rate charged on the loan will use ELR (Effective lending rate) 4.35%, hence the monthly installment would be Rm2350, total interest Rm487, 345
A 0.1% different will cost you Rm12, 925 of interest being paid.
Above example illustrates how BLR affects the total interest being paid after changes made by BNM. Don’t ask me for the formulae, just download a friendly installment calculator apps. I prefer “Simple loan Calculator” app.
What affects the changes of BLR?
It would be the OPR (overnight policy rate) is the so called Malaysia Interest rate and control by Bank Negara Malaysia (BNM).
It affects the interest rate charged between borrowings of banks with central bank. When our economy are under high surge inflation, Property bubbles are growing larger with property price surging 200% mark, too much of easy funky money around.
Too much of inflation is bad for the economy, hence ZETI tightened up the money, slowing down the economy by increasing the cost of borrowing on banks from central bank; this reduces funds available in the market by a slight increasing on interest rate (OPR).
When existing BLR is 6.85, Zeti increases the OPR by 0.1%, hence 6.85%+0.1%=6.95% BLR.
BLR is influence by changes of OPR.
Year BLR%
2014 6.85
2011 6.60
2010 6.30
2010 6.05
2010 5.80
2009 5.55
2008 6.75
2007 6.75
2006 6.00
2005 6.00
2004 6.00
2003 6.50
2002 6.50
2001 6.75
BLR 6.85% as a number doesn’t present much notion to borrower, as 6.85% is not transparent of how the figure is structured and how much profit does the bank collect. Therefore, Base rate are introduced.
2nd January 2015, Base rate is executed in Malaysia! Yay… nah…
Base rates are rate set within individual bank itself and changes to the rate aren’t directly intervened by the central bank alike BLR. Base rate differed across different banks and the rates are set depending on bank own efficiencies in lending; means to the bank liking itself.
Base rate comprising of:
Base rate(Benchmark cost of Funds + SRR) + Spread (profit margin, operating cost, liquidity risk, credit risk)= Effective lending rate
Base rate + Spread = Effective Lending rate
*We always look at the effective lending rate for our final loan interest charge*
Base rate:
a) Benchmark cost of funds are adjusted by banks itself depends on its own valuation of its lending ability.
b) Statutory Reserve Requirement (SRR) are the minimum bank reserve quota set by BNM.
Spread
a) Spread is the margin of profit that banks set according to the borrower risk value.
Fun facts:
1. Base rate is different across different banks.
2. When OPR adjusted by BNM, Base rate wouldn’t bulge.
Base rate would either stay neutral or increase, depends on bank owns decision. Base rate could even change without OPR altered.
3. SRR is the reserve requirement that bank needs to uphold, set by BNM. It’s a liquidity management. When BNM believes economy is prospering and lack of funds, it may reduce SRR requirement to keep less money as reserves in bank and have bank lend more fund out for economic activities. This lead to higher loan growth. The changes of Base rate can reflect the effectiveness of Government Monetary Policy.
4. Spread are defined according to the borrower risk profile, but spread rate are mainly fixed when display to public, as most of the borrower holds almost identical risk.
5. Base rate will be adjusted every 3 months, it’s following KLIBOR. Every 3 months we will witness a changes in bank base rate
Example:
Jan OCBC rate 4.02
April OCBC rate 3.92
6. Spread rate will not change and is fixed till the end of the loan tenure
7. even when base rate is superbly low, the effective lending rate in the end could be higher.
Example:
Maybank: Base rate 3.2% + Spread 1.5% =4.7%
OCBC: Base rate 4.02%+ Spread 0.5%=4.52%
It all boil's down on the spread given, hence do look at the effective lending rate instead!!! Shop around and ask your mortgage agent.
Base rate
Pro
a) Greater competition between banks
b) Higher transparency, as bank will display their profit margin and bank lending efficiency
c) Bank loan rate changes will have a higher correlation with Malaysia market economy and OPR.
d) Better indication in monetary policy changes.
Cons
a) Uncertainty. Rate will change every 3 months’ time.
b) There’s a bottom line for how low our loan rate can drop.
Example:
BLR 6.85
6.85-2.5%=4.35%
6.85-2.6%=4.25%
And so on
Base rate
3.2%+ 1.35%= 4.55%
3.2%+2%= 5.2%
BLR is negative in nature, it can go as low as the bank allows it to be.
Base rate is positive in nature, it has a benchmark bottom line. 3.2% is the bottom line and won’t go any further down.
So, what do you think?
What is BFR? And How to choose the best rate for base rate? Should I take the lowest base rate or should I take the lowest spread rate?
*all the base rate quote* (http://www.bnm.gov.my/…/…/base_rates/20150102_base_rates.pdf)


2. To be succinct,
Islamic loan is similar to conventional loan just that Islamic loan:
a) 20% extra stamping cost
b) no lock in period
c) more document to sign
d) Letter offer will show your loan finance but added with total interest, following syariah law.

3 - fixed rate, semi flexi or full flexi?
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Full flexi:

1) current account tied to loan account
2) auto debit from current account at month end and interest is calculated based on outstanding balance minus amount in current account
3) maintenance charge of RM10 per month
4) setup/ processing fee of Rm200
5)The liquidity comes in the form of an ATM card or a linked CASA account to the housing loan. 
Example: You have a shop that is opened Monday to Satuday, rest on Sunday. On Saturday, you deposit all your proceeds of the week into the flexi account, on Sunday, you would save [(your-HL-interest-rate)/365]*AmountDeposited worth of interest. On Monday, you withdraw the money to run your business
6) Withdrawal of money or crediting of money through ATM,CHEQUE,OVER THE COUNTER, or online

Semi Flexi

semi flexi package typically has these features:
1) requires you to phone in to indicate the extra payment as early settlement of advance payments
2) if you fail to indicate, you will be charged 1% (some banks do this afaik)
3) if you indicate advance payment, no additional interest is saved as "advance" payment will only be credited to your loan account when it reaches your cycle date, so it is plain advance payments. and must be in multiple of your monthly payment.
4) For redrawable prepayments, you need to indicate separately and Redraw charge of RM50 is imposed (M*B charge Rm25)
5) Withdrawal of money or crediting of money through Cheque or Over the counter

Fixed
1. rate is fixed throughout loan tenure.
2. only AIA offer fixed rate
3. rate is higher than normal conventional loan
4 - i see different bank different rates. why would customers choose some of the more "expensive" banks? do some banks provide extra benefits?
-different bank have different policy, hence some client able to receive finance from certain bank only.
-Some people would prefer service over interest rate, given that the interest rate differed by 0.05%, which is not that huge in amount
- Some banks have 3rd party financing some dont have, some bank allow tenancy agreement derivation of 100% some 80%, some bank allow you to apply without income tax, some doesn't allow.
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Quite a number of incorrect statements are found.
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post Dec 15 2015, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(PJusa @ Dec 15 2015, 12:54 PM)
collateral = house, i think every bank likes and expects it.
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Bank will look into the borrower's repayment capacity first. Collateral is second way out for the bank to manage its risk.
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jan 5 2016, 09:23 AM)
3rd party loan is where you deal with someone you might not have a permanent relationship e.g friend and friend, girlfriend and boyfriend vs father & son, mother & daughter, brother & brother.

So there is a risk of default and taking advantage of the other party should anyone of them chooses to default.
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While there is no written rule on how 3rd party loan is defined, the general or more widely accepted perception is that if the borrower(s) is/are different than that of the buyer(s) as registered on the S&P, then it falls under the 3rd party loan category - regardless whether there exist any blood relationship.

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QUOTE(Madgeniusfigo @ Jan 14 2016, 05:31 PM)
Dear,

The imminent difference between those two package is Conventional vs islamic loan.

There's underlying difference between this 2, lets dissect it.

1. Islamic loan, you are required to pay extra 20% on the stamp duty, because for islamic loan, you are required to sign few more extra documentation, hence it translate into higher stamp duty fees.

2. islamic loan nowadays, most of the banks offered BBA instead of musyarakah mustanaqisah. BBA follows traditional loan structure whereby Letter offer will show total payment including interest, hence you will see a massive amount stated in your letter offer. However, there's ceiling rate 9.99% for your loan. Then what if you settle your loan earlier, what happen to the stated total payment amount stated in my letter offer? How much rebate will I received at the end? Letter offer doesn't state clearly the calculation for the rebate, hence it is quite vague.

For musyarakah mustanaqisah, it follow according the conventional loan struture.

3.  Islamic loan offered by most of the banks are sermi flexi only, only Alliance banks offer full flexi islamic loan.

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Full flexi:

1) current account tied to loan account
2) auto debit from current account at month end and interest is calculated based on outstanding balance minus amount in current account
3) maintenance charge of RM10 per month
4) setup/ processing fee of Rm200 (certain bank)
5)The liquidity comes in the form of an ATM card or a linked CASA account to the housing loan. 
Example: You have a shop that is opened Monday to Satuday, rest on Sunday. On Saturday, you deposit all your proceeds of the week into the flexi account, on Sunday, you would save [(your-HL-interest-rate)/365]*AmountDeposited worth of interest. On Monday, you withdraw the money to run your business
6) Withdrawal of money or crediting of money through ATM,CHEQUE,OVER THE COUNTER, or online

Semi Flexi

semi flexi package typically has these features:
1) requires you to phone in to indicate the extra payment as early settlement of advance payments
2) if you fail to indicate, you will be charged 1% (some banks do this afaik)
3) if you indicate advance payment, no additional interest is saved as "advance" payment will only be credited to your loan account when it reaches your cycle date, so it is plain advance payments. and must be in multiple of your monthly payment.
4) For redrawable prepayments, you need to indicate separately and Redraw charge of RM50 is imposed (M*B charge Rm25)
5) Withdrawal of money or crediting of money through Cheque or Over the counter


4. Not all islamic loan offered by bank are lock in period waived, RHB has 3 years lock in period for their islamic loan. Weird but facts.

5. In the end, islamic loan do offered a better alternative package, but with 20% in stamp duty cost, and the offered package isn't standard across banks. Hence, you have to be aware.
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Are you sure Islamic loan will incur additional 20% stamp duty? Says for a RM1M loan the stamp duty would be RM5k + 20% extra ie RM1k which in total RM6k?
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jan 16 2016, 02:12 PM)
Becareful if it's the mistake of the bank to release that money after they have discovered such error. They will demand you to return back the extra financing for not disclosing such error.
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Agreed. They have the rights if there are evidences that there are misrepresentation of facts in the loan application & approval process.
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QUOTE(jonnie @ Jan 26 2016, 01:55 PM)
http://www.baserate.co/

not sure correct or not. seems legit
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QUOTE(Madgeniusfigo @ Jan 26 2016, 01:56 PM)
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Some of the rates shown not updated timely.
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post Feb 3 2016, 07:33 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Feb 3 2016, 07:31 AM)
Either way still the same because both rate will increase over time. Left and right side. Remember you are applying for a fluctuating rate not fixed rate. The banks can increase the rates anytime subject to 3 months notice in advance.

So take the lowest one for now which is rhb.
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Subject to 3 months notice in advance? I don't think so.
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QUOTE(cwkhang @ Feb 3 2016, 12:38 PM)
Thank you for the comment.
I thought left BR rate is fluctuating but the right (e.g. 0.5% is fixed rate).
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Correct, BR is fluctuative while the spread is fixed throughout the loan tenure.
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QUOTE(choywm @ Feb 3 2016, 02:20 PM)
Are banks allowed to lower the loan amount from that stated in LO after signing? Mine lowered theirs after the property inspection by the valuer.
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It's normal for the bank to have condition to the effect that the loan amount to be RMxxx or subject to x% of the formal valuation of the property being financed, whichever the lower.
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QUOTE(choywm @ Feb 3 2016, 03:08 PM)
What if it is not stated in the LO, can appeal?
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Even thought if it's not written upfront as the approval term, I reasonably believe that those fine prints under the Terms and Conditions would have spelt out sth which grants the bank the rights to vary the amount.

Of course you can try to appeal. The issue now is not on the DSR or repayment capacity (as it was approved at higher loan amount) but the security coverage of the bank.

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QUOTE(Madgeniusfigo @ Feb 5 2016, 06:11 PM)
Dear koinibler,

1. People would prefer BLR for its non over fluctuating swing in changes of the rate. BLR tends to alter whenever BNM alter the OPR. Bank couldn't alter the BLR themselves at will, but they can adjust the effective lending rate. For the past few years BLR has been quite stable and the effective lending rate has been very low, hence people would prefer BLR more as the norm of low rate for past few years associate with BLR.

2. BR in general is more transparent, however, the rate could be altered by the bank quaterly but not compulsory.

3. In succinct, BR are more preferable over BLR as it is more transparent. There's no which is better, just which is more comfortable and preferable in the eyes of the consumer.
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While I respect your comments / own views but I find it rather misleading.
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QUOTE(mangoproperty @ Feb 26 2016, 09:18 PM)
I understand about the loan part, how about the SPA part?

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The question is "Can 'friends' joint as buyers for residential property?" No issue on the SPA part - whether it's your spouse or family members or someone who has no blood relationship.

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QUOTE(cclay @ Feb 29 2016, 12:53 AM)
Any bros know when will the bank update CCRIS. Is it still on the 15th every month?
Just want to make sure that I got it correct before I submit loan application.. smile.gif
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Latest by 10th of every month the banks need to submit their month end loan position to BNM. The 15th deadline was a thing in the past for quite long.
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QUOTE(tansj83 @ Mar 25 2016, 10:16 AM)
dear all sifu,

I am confuse about the new BR (Base Rate) scheme, I have recently getting an offer from the bank with the ER = 4.45, where BR = 3.65 and Spread = 0.80.

May I know if the spread offer to me will be a fixed value throughout my loan tenure? and how long will the BR get revise by the bank?

When consider on the bank, should I be more concent over the spread or their base rate? for e.g. 2 bank offer me ER4.45 , one with 3.65 + 0.8 and one with 4.00 + 0.45
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I would suggest you to do some reading from the following thread:
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3431604/+260#bottom

Some information given here are somewhat inaccurate.

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Mar 25 2016, 12:29 PM)
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The spread is fixed throughput the loan tenure unless there is default or delayed payment then there will be default / late interest levied.

If there is no change to the borrower's credit profile, the bank cannot simply revise the spread notwithstanding the fine print in the letter of offer or facility agreement

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