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post Feb 12 2015, 02:23 AM

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QUOTE(silrave @ Feb 12 2015, 02:12 AM)
haha may be need see the keyboard only know the feel
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You need to test a few MKBs in a row carefully, sit down, breath and type.
Try typing and also gaming(imagine yourself in a game and you press stuffs you always press).

Then, you'll know the "FEEL" differences. smile.gif
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post Feb 12 2015, 02:47 AM

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QUOTE(cloud8992 @ Feb 12 2015, 02:30 AM)
Indeed, anyone GB cables, please tell me. Interested.
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post Feb 12 2015, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(0168257061 @ Feb 12 2015, 08:50 AM)
our fellow mkb kaki jusnits has sleeved usb cable for sale at cheap price.
rm30-40.

not sure he still doing it or not.

quality is same to pexon.
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You forgot retarded(don't mad) Filco doesn't come with Mini or Micro USB sockets? tongue.gif
I need something like this...(Not USB to Mini USB or whatever)
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post Feb 12 2015, 04:14 PM

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---Pictures of the Tea Time---
Finally, finish collecting the IMSTO PBT BLUE and GREY Keycap Sets.

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post Feb 14 2015, 01:41 AM

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QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Feb 13 2015, 08:48 PM)
Not sure whether we generalise and bias towards gamer rubber dome.
I checked the retails price tag of logitech g19 is USD 199 (RM699).
Guess they pay a lot for the keyboard features since the keyboard price is high.
They pay for the features not better keyboard typing experience.

I admit that typing on a general rubber dome is good.  nod.gif
Still a good typing tool.
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And, I also find those features on those keyboards are mostly not necessary.
Like tons of extra buttons which is not likely to press... at all. Or, simply, these features don't hurt or affect your usages...

In the end, it's typing speed and feeling that triumph... Linus confirmed that one can type faster using mechanical keyboard in general.
And, MKB switches are more durable and can last longer than rubber dome "switches".
Also, a good MKB have better quality construction(a lot heavier) over a rubber dome keyboard.

So, for me:
Durability, Quality, Speed and Feel of Typing > Extra unnecessary features. tongue.gif

Not to mention EXTRA MODIFICATION where you can't do on rubber dome keyboards. thumbup.gif

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post Feb 14 2015, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Feb 14 2015, 09:45 AM)
But from what i can see its ironic cause...
Their case is not full alu. Psu not platinum. Cooling if its air not nickel plated.

Most important hardware on their computer experience gets neglected.

Not all of them but generally. But notice alot of mkb ppl are audiophiles.

Hmm decided to use the razer rgb chroma for main rig n k70 rgb for second. Ducky shine 4 give bro inlaw as cny present.

Waiting now for the das k/b to be shipped.
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Certainly, the Corsair V. K70 RGB and Razer B. Ulti Chroma will be the BEST for gaming rigs. thumbup.gif
But, bear in mind, Razer... I used Razer B. Ulti Chroma before, and, it's broken by default. Double-tapping issue(a known issue for Razer). RMA-ed, and sell as 2nd hand straight.

Wow to Ducky Shine 4 being given to someone as CNY present. thumbup.gif

For me, Corsair V. K70 RGB > Ducky Shine 4 > Razer B. Ulti Chroma

Anyway, I think MKB enthusiasts are mostly more toward accessories rather than hardware performance such as Processor, RAM, SSD, PSU, Motherboard, etc.
So, we can see them having very good audio systems, tons of MKBs and mouses, etc.

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QUOTE(Lotus1109 @ Feb 14 2015, 11:43 AM)
Lol, maybe full alu casing, platinum grade psu and good air cooling didn't enhance typing feeling? tongue.gif
They only need something that could give them best typing experience haha
Even you have a gtx 980, they also don't care because that piece of metal or whatever thing can't enhance typing experience lolol
In short, we don't need good Pc for good keyboard or vice versa
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For typing purposes, yes, Keyboard > PC hardware.

For gaming, PC hardware > Keyboard.

Example, you can't play your Battlefield 4 nicely or with very high settings if you have lousy PC hardware. And you'll suffer from lag madly. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(justnits @ Feb 14 2015, 12:28 PM)
hmm... hmm.gif somehow i think for gaming, the correct hierarchy (if there is any) should be
skills > keyboard and mouse > hardware

a pro gamer may be using average keyboard mouse and pc, and still win others who may have the best hardware the world can offer but doesn't have the skills to match the pro gamer.

that is why razer (because it's a gaming company) emphasize so much about their peripherals or accessories that they did so much extensive research on the actuation point of their "new" switch and high DPI and accuracy of their mouse because that is the weapon of a pro gamer.
you can see some or most pro gamers carry their own keyboard and mouse but not their rig, because that's all they need. (but actually maybe leh, they trust the tournament or competition organizers to provide them with good rig or because their own rig is too heavy and not practical to bring around tongue.gif)

wait, why is there such discussion again on this thread?
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I know the points you stated since ages ago.

But, I find out it's NOT really true.
Because you at least need a standard and playable PC hardware 1st, then, only count on other factors.

Try playing BF4 on super lousy machines and with super small monitor... thumbup.gif
See how your skills can overcome the lag and extreme small can't see aiming point monitor.

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QUOTE(ntw @ Feb 14 2015, 09:28 PM)
its totally wrong to make comparison this way bro. an enthusiast is enthusiastic in his/her own area of interest.

we spend on our keyboards because we are enthusiastic in it and we want to test out different typing feels on our keyboards with its wide assortments of differences and add-ons, ie: different build quality/ material used to make the board, different kind of switches with very very different kind of feedback, different stiffness of the springs used, keycaps in different profiles/height/printing/material/thickness, different add-ons like the stickers, LEDs, o-rings, novelties. there's a lot of knowledge to be learnt and trial & errors before you will arrive at the particular set(s) of combination of above mentioned that will be your ultimatum.

all in all, playing with mechanical keyboard is as much as pimping out your rig. it is a hobby on its own. it does complement the computer experience. but typing on the keyboard that we loved with a tablet alone is good enough for the mechanical keyboard enthusiasts, it doesn't necessarily need to be a powerful rig to play games/render because all we like to do is type(our computer experience doesn't get neglected); likewise coming from your perspective of a computer enthusiast, using a super powerful computer that can run graphics that bleeds your eyes out, responds to you even before you move your finger, using full copper water cooling with top brands (alphacool/hws/heatkiller/etc) will be your ultimatum, you don't necessarily need to even use a mechanical keyboard to feel good playing on your rig.

ALSO, availability of moolah is a very important factor. cry.gif  cry.gif with enough of it, one can up his mechanical keyboard game from a few hundred RM to a few hundred USD; heck you can even manufacture your own keyboard to the design that you like.

by the way, kudos to you for the entrance into the mechanical keyboard scene. getting a few mechanical keyboards at the same time just to find the one that you like best is something that most of us can dream of but not capable to do it.  thumbup.gif
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But, on your Signature, I read you're having many MKBs in your current possession. This is a sign of WEALTHINESS.
I personally, bought and used 4 MKBs since July of 2014 but, I sold 2 of them off. tongue.gif

Now, thinking to sell off my Ducky Shine 4 too... Not sure yet. Maybe not, maybe yes.

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QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Feb 14 2015, 10:46 PM)
Wang Terminal free.
Ducky Shine then another BMini, not expensive compared to shitty cap ular.  nod.gif
It's a sign of enthusiasm.  laugh.gif
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Cap Ular bukan expensive. It's just not worth the price due to using Kailh Switches.
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post Feb 15 2015, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(ntw @ Feb 14 2015, 11:55 PM)
a second hand ducky shine 2, a free wang terminal, a custom acrylic ghpad and bmini. i assure you each of these pieces are acquired at reasonable price, none of them are more expensive than a razer bwu chroma. but if you say this is a sign of wealthiness, i can only rebut that i spend my money on what i like.
do u mean they are worth the price if they are using cherry mx switches?
and if the price are cheaper then its worth it when they are using kailh switches?

so you are saying it is expensive AND not worth the price because they are using kailh switch.
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Yea, Kailh Switches as you already know is Made in China and very cheap. Also, the quality is not as good as Cherry MX Switches.
Razer is using Kailh Switches being "rebranded" as their very own special switches. They're called as Razer Green(Tactile) Switch and Razer Orange(Linear) Switch.

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QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Feb 15 2015, 12:17 AM)
Don't have.
Keycool and SP also don't have black blank.
Your point is?
We know is not worth, and it's expensive because using fake switches.
It's expensive. I remember someone said before (need scroll back the thread and see), only retarded a.k.a sohigh buy cap ular mkb.  whistling.gif
Syukur.
Buttlicker, no dignity, no identity.  vmad.gif
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Yes, isn't that obvious I am agreeing with ntw's statement? tongue.gif

By the way, I have some questions... can my Filco Majestouch 2 TKL fit any 3rd party Keyboard Frame(Case), compatible ones of course? I mean something like this?
ONI TKL Aluminium Case
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QUOTE(zennasyndroxx @ Feb 15 2015, 12:29 AM)
you want to buy? grey color.
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You got? Used unit? Planning to sell?
Meanwhile, I am surveying only. Might buy it after end of this month I think. Need wait Salary come 1st. tongue.gif
Do you have pictures to show? PM me thanks. And also best price.

@Lotus1109,
Vortex is cheaper?
I like to find cheapest solution if possible, of course, not with unbearable quality. smile.gif
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QUOTE(dadudeneverabides @ Feb 15 2015, 02:54 AM)
I see a faker in this thread.

Yeah, you buy a lot of STOCK and pre-built boards. That does not, in any way, make you an MKB enthusiast.

Only once you have tasted all the possible switch types for Cherry (at least!) then can you compare with others. Topre and Alps also needed to really understand MKB switches.

Next step is to try the difference between acrylic customs and SUS customs plates. Still, that is not enough because you will need to have tasted the beauty of full alu plate.

In the end though, anyone who will prefer a board which:

1. Emphasis more on bling than quality.
2. Uses clone switches with inferior and questionable quality.
3. Non-ANSI (aka "standard") non-Tsangan layout, non-ISO layout.
4. Reliance on gimmicks to sell instead of creating value.

Unfortunately, all this criteria for me points to any board which is made for "gamers" and not typist boards. Trisnek is only one of the many culprits, which also include corsair, and some models for CM (which actually improved into using standard layouts and pretty decent build quality).

However, I need to mention this to a lot of people. Most Dota 2 pros that who aren't using sponsored boards are using Topres, Duckies and Filcos. Most SC2 pros are using custom boards.

So if you are someone who ranks a bling bling board with cloned switches like Razer Blackwidow Chroma above something like a Ducky, I suggest that you exit the "mechanical" keyboard thread and go enjoy the "gaming" keyboard thread instead, because here you will be treated as a retard, but there they will worship your "good choice" and congratulate your stupidity.

So get lost, because you have nothing to contribute.
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I agree with the points you stated out. But, sound furious about this. LOL.

As an ex-user of Razer Blackwidow Ultimate Chroma, I must say it's switches quality is really questionable(IMO, it's bad).
But, the blings are really pretty. Layout wise is good as they're using "almost" standard layout. Typing on it is OK, better than rubber dome, but, inferior than Ducky.

I also find my Filco Majestouch 2 TKL is having better typing feel than my Ducky Shine 4. But, I think this might be subjective. Correct me if I am wrong.

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QUOTE(cloud8992 @ Feb 15 2015, 03:27 AM)
you are getting facts wrong razer never used standard layout for RBW lol
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Ops... tongue.gif Just spotted the different spaces at the R1 rows... Hahaha~
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QUOTE(zennasyndroxx @ Feb 15 2015, 03:43 AM)
why so angry?

you getting gmk hyperfuse?
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I read your previous comment... You got the Filco Aluminium Keyboard Case to sell?
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QUOTE(zennasyndroxx @ Feb 15 2015, 03:51 AM)
yes, but selling it with filco also.
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QUOTE(yuktsi14 @ Feb 15 2015, 03:54 AM)
My new keybaord LZ-RE:
1) Bling bling
2) Uses clone switch

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@zennasyndroxx, PM for BEST PRICE and DETAILS. LOL. Thanks.

@yuktsi14, Kailh Switches on Custom MKB, that's rare!
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QUOTE(zennasyndroxx @ Feb 15 2015, 03:51 AM)
yes, but selling it with filco also.
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It's OK if you sell without your keycap?
I am doing some tests here for Aluminium Cases on my current keycaps
Here is some images I test...
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QUOTE(dadudeneverabides @ Feb 15 2015, 04:14 AM)
There is no such thing as "almost" standard layout. Standard means standard and no other ways about it.
It's the bottom row, not R1.
Because ada ruhtard keep coming here and think he so smart. Brings my blood to boil only.

Yeah. GMK and Hack'd. Still got time to join on GMK I think.
Gateron?
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I read it using this layout...
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That's why I said R1.... I know it's Modifier and bottom row.
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QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Feb 15 2015, 07:41 AM)
The link showed blank black POM material not PBT.
I checked and saw SP got it.
Manufacturer normally don't make black as, it can't be dye-sub.
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I think by PBT Black might just be a very dark grey which is not truly black like ABS and POM do.
Now, I am aiming for aluminium keyboard case for my Filco Majestouch 2 TKL. tongue.gif

Anyway, I want to ask, where can I buy RUBBER FEETS?

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