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post Feb 17 2015, 12:56 AM

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QUOTE(justnits @ Feb 17 2015, 12:43 AM)
i guess those who can buy after cny are those who haven't kahwin yet laugh.gif
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Obviously, that includes me. tongue.gif FOREVER ALONE GUY.

My next target should be either one of these:
a.) 2nd Hand Filco Majestouch 2 TKL(or maybe others) for modding purpose
b.) Aluminium Filco Case/Frame - Anyone BULKING? tongue.gif
c.) CM Storm Novatouch
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post Feb 17 2015, 01:31 AM

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QUOTE(cloud8992 @ Feb 17 2015, 01:01 AM)
just back to basic and stick with filco if you want worry free keyboard.
i talked to tech armory's boss and he told me the latest batch of ducky shine 3 series all have very high RMA rate means ducky cut cost for their ducky shine 4 and therefore the price drop for ducky shine 3.
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Agreed. High quality and no LED. Problem free. smile.gif

silrave,
Apparently, most of them get Angpaos, and they can afford a new MKB by end of CNY. tongue.gif

I'll probably wait until end of February before anything else(where I got paid).
Already burned a lot when purchasing 2 IMSTO PBT Full Layout Sets(although 2nd-hand) and a Filco Majestouch 2 TKL Camo. LOL.
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post Feb 17 2015, 02:08 AM

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QUOTE(cloud8992 @ Feb 17 2015, 02:05 AM)
Which set of imsto you bought ?
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GREY Blank Set and Blue Blank Set...
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post Feb 17 2015, 03:19 AM

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QUOTE(cloud8992 @ Feb 17 2015, 02:32 AM)
how much you bought ? and will you sell the grey ?
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Let's discuss over in PM...
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post Feb 17 2015, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(dadudeneverabides @ Feb 17 2015, 11:44 AM)
At first, I wanna give you a comprehensive answer, but seeing your ADHD, flip flop and attention seeking answers after that...

First of all, don't trust what you read. Everyone's feelings, like you said, is different. So why you wanna trust the words of some guy who is just trying to pad the wiki with words? Learn to differentiate the b/s with words that actually matter.

Topre and Cherry MX have two completely different mechanisms, actuation, response, and for the lack of a better word, texture. They don't call topre "Good feeling with cup rubber" for nothing.

Cherry MX actuates by the contact coming together in the MIDDLE of a downward stroke, and the contact is not infallible, in the sense that if there is vibration on the contact point, the gate will fluctuate between ON/OFF very quickly and have to be corrected with software. This situation (aka hysteresis) makes Cherry MX innately flawed. Fortunately, most of our usage scenario will never encounter this kind of situation (Airplanes, heavy machinery) so it's fine.

However, due to the design of the stems, for all non-linear switches, the actuation point is NOT at the same point where the feedback is given to the user (tactile point/clicky point). While the difference is only about 1-2mm, you can notice this if you try to press the switch very slowly or when you are semi-depressing the button (aka priming the switch for a faster response).

Topre, on the other hand, uses capacitive circuit detection. The difference in capacitance on the PCB is detected and then translated as an ON signal. If you look at the diagram of a Topre switch at work, you'll notice that the rubber membrane's structure is destroyed, causing the potential energy to be released and compressing the spring (which causes the change in capacitance). This means that the tactile response is the EXACT same moment as actuation, and eliminates the need to deal with hysteresis (also, the rubber membrane will absorb a large amount of the vibration anyway) creating an accurate tactile switch. The same accuracy is found on ALPS and on Buckling Spring.

So, this means that the "feeling" and response rate of the keypress is significantly different on Topre and Cherry MX, especially if you are a light touch typist.

ON the other hand, my personal experience is that Cherry MX feels like a robot, while Topre switches are "alive" because they REALLY bounce back at you when you press it.

Sekian, mohon anugerahkan "A+" untuk karangan saya.
!@#$%^&*()

Browns are scratchy reds, TYVM.

Also, buying Hyperfuse? #wink tongue.gif
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I know, that's why I said I am agreeing on what they said and commented.
But, they insisted me why I change my opinion suddenly...? doh.gif
Because I read the wiki, but claimed wrong by people here. So, I just wanna seek a confirmation.
But the logic here is:
When I said 1+1 = 3, I was proven wrong and was corrected by people, taught me 1+1=2, I learned. But, in the future, I can't use this correct way? Because what? You can't apply what you learned?
Learned from wrong, fixed problem, continue with correct way... isn't this correct? Or keep repeating mistakes?

Thanks for the very detail answers.

Happy CNY and Holiday.

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post Feb 18 2015, 12:50 AM

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Who is selling braided cable here(I don't mind NEW or 2nd-hand)? I mean for Filco Majestouch 2 TKL...
Something like this?
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Or, anyone want to bulk order? tongue.gif

Thanks. smile.gif

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post Feb 18 2015, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(cloud8992 @ Feb 18 2015, 02:31 AM)
I know, but, are you bulking it? XD?
If you want too, I'll bulk with you.
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QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Feb 18 2015, 02:12 PM)
Ya, sure it will impact for gaming as well in a good way.
But if you mention about gaming, I do recommend MX Red for FPS because can easily multi tap the keystroke, MX Brown or Blue for general like dotA2.
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Me likes Blue for everything. tongue.gif Tickticktaktak FTW!
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post Feb 18 2015, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(cloud8992 @ Feb 18 2015, 04:54 PM)
i am just giving you the link i too poor to own a filco only type at retailer  cry.gif
its not that expensive from taobao 1 KG around rm13 plus 1 % fee for agent so  you dont have to bulk if buying from taobao
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That's nice to hear, I am new to Taobao...
Might give it a try...

What keyboard are you using? You seem to have a lot of MKB experiences.

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post Feb 19 2015, 12:31 AM

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QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Feb 18 2015, 11:41 PM)
Guys, Happy Chinese New Year
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Stop poisoning, please. tongue.gif
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post Feb 19 2015, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(cloud8992 @ Feb 19 2015, 08:45 PM)
i am using ducky shine 3 only
my 1st mech keybaord is Razer Black Widow > ducky shine 3 Mx Green than traded for MX REDS
and my B87 ergo clears on the way
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Wow, ERGO!! Nice thing! thumbup.gif
I always love to see very epic strange shaped keyboards that you guys are using.
However, I won't use or buy them due to my personal preferences and usages(not suit my usages).

Last time, I sold my DS 3 MX Red instead and get Razer B. U. Chroma(KAILH GREEN SWITCH doh.gif ) instead. LOL.
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post Feb 23 2015, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(dadudeneverabides @ Feb 23 2015, 09:23 AM)
Well, once you have heard of Autohotkey, you'll sing a different tune.

Of course, having fully customized layouts, keypresses and all your macros on the hardware layer then you'll sing a different tune.
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People tends to forget those features they want from "Gaming MKB" can be achieved easily with a software. smile.gif tongue.gif

For me, I don't care for those features, a plain standard layout is always best for me. thumbup.gif
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post Feb 23 2015, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Feb 23 2015, 10:37 AM)
What kind of features do a gaming keyboard have?  shakehead.gif
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Actually none practically.

So far I have seen, Random Useless Macro Keys, Volume Adjust Roller, USB Sockets(for you to insert other USB devices), etc...

But, all these are not really useful for me.
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post Feb 23 2015, 05:32 PM

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Dear Sifus, is it possible to change the Costar Stabilizer from the Filco Majestouch 2 TKL to Cherry Stabilizer.

What stuffs I need? Do I need to change the Controller Chip too if I want to change the stabilizer?

Thanks!
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post Feb 23 2015, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Feb 23 2015, 05:41 PM)
First question, all the veterans will curious about..
Why you want to change it?  sweat.gif
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1st, I like that feel of Cherry Stabilizer.
2nd, I don't know why the Shift buttons easily get pushed down to either sides if being pressed hard at the sides. It's perfectly OK and problemless if not pressed with super strong force at left or right side of the key.
See SPOILER IMAGE below...
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Is it generally like that? Or is my unit spoiled? If so, I gonna RMA it?

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post Feb 23 2015, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Feb 23 2015, 06:02 PM)
Can you pull the keycap out and show us the picture of the "inserts" to the wire costar stabilisers?
It looks like the Right Shift do not mount the inserts to the costar stab.
You are the first like genuine Cherry stab I see in here. Most like costar or clipped-cherry.

Edit: Probably the inserts not hook to the wire of costar stab. No need RMA ya  sweat.gif
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See spoiler images here...
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The rest of the stuffs are fine, except the shift button here.
I repeat the same install procedure for every other keys a few times to confirm.
I don't know where or what went wrong... rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

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post Feb 24 2015, 02:54 AM

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QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Feb 23 2015, 06:44 PM)
Actually I'm looking for image like this.

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If the white color inserts hook properly to the wire like shown in the picture, your Right Shift key will be stabilized.
If not stabilized, mean not hook properly.  hmm.gif

darksilver, the wire is perfectly fine in your picture.
The procedure are
1. mount the inserts to the keycap
2. hook the inserts to wire.

Image of inserts to keycap and hooked to wire is below for reference purpose (costar stabilisers, in alps keyboard).
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Ain't really working. I think it might be due to lack of grease? That's why the key got stuck when pressed heavy from the sides(one at a time).
I tried not to use the Stabilizer Wire, and the problem solved. tongue.gif
But, that'll mean not stable too... doh.gif

Anyway, is Vortex MKB good?
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post Feb 24 2015, 03:07 AM

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QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Feb 24 2015, 02:55 AM)
I'm sure you talking about Vortex Poker 2.
Ya, it's a good 60% with lots of modding options.
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Not really, I was talking about the TKL ONI thingy. Not sure if it's EOL already...
I think my Shift Key stuck is due to lack of grease.
What grease paste should I put in? And where can I get it?
Thanks.
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post Feb 24 2015, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Feb 24 2015, 03:23 AM)
Actually, costar won't stuck, because it stabilised by the stabiliser with the 2 inserts.  sad.gif

You can get synthetic grease like SuperLube if you want.
Lube it, so you can reduce the rattling sound.

Your case, because u installed the shift key wrongly on the stab.
Check your white inserts, because if you installed white insert reversely, your key will be stuck.
Not bullshit, I have experience in this and even others tried that before.
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I am well aware that, that's why I tried both insert(normal and reverse).
Reverse will cause direct stuck.
Normal is good, but, still stuck when I press strongly at the tip of left or right side of the key.
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QUOTE(0168257061 @ Feb 24 2015, 09:20 AM)
Those owner of romer G switch can kiss goodbye to those delicious MX keycaps
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Why they just don't use the Cherry MX Stem? doh.gif
Wasted so much money on R&D and production.

CM Storm is clever though, making Topre with Cherry MX Stem. thumbup.gif

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