Normally with RON 95 only stay within 11-12km/l
Will try 1 more tank RON 97 before GST implementation
And yeah, RON 97 gets better response on this car
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Mar 18 2015, 09:32 AM
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Recently I tried pump RON 97 for Iswara 1.3 MT 1 full tank and I get better mileage around 14km/l
Normally with RON 95 only stay within 11-12km/l Will try 1 more tank RON 97 before GST implementation And yeah, RON 97 gets better response on this car |
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Mar 18 2015, 10:42 AM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Mar 18 2015, 10:04 AM) I'm not experienced in tuning the ignition... but as far as I know if I pick up, engine will have those grek grek grek grek grek sound... this sound is after I brought the car for tuning in one of the mech in Kuantan... |
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Mar 18 2015, 10:52 AM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Mar 18 2015, 10:45 AM) ya most likely your engine is pinging/knocking especially on ron95 and ron97 help "solved" it and thus better pickup I think mayb the mech follow the standard tuning for this engine when he last tuned for me... because the standard tuning I think it was for RON97 because last time don't have RON95 yet? Should I tune this on my own? need any special tools? or is there any reliable tuner in Klang valley... |
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Mar 18 2015, 11:17 AM
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Mar 18 2015, 05:47 PM
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Mar 18 2015, 04:41 PM) p/s: The troll aside, most if not all magician also tune base on RPM/and engine vibration. And ofcourse, use timing light to gauge on ignition timing nia. Otherwise, it is safe to follow the given DIY tuning. Magician is also human, can't tell which is the right setup without CO reading |
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Mar 18 2015, 11:39 PM
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Mar 18 2015, 11:45 PM
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Mar 18 2015, 07:02 PM) Got relate to autochoke? cause my autochoke seems like have issue, difficult to start engine when its cold... will die off easily for the first few seconds if I didn't give a bit rev to it |
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Mar 19 2015, 02:34 PM
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Mar 19 2015, 06:16 AM) After all the posting exchange, it is quite confirmed that your butt feel gaves you better placebo, hence lighten your foot and at the same time the car gaves you better mileage My drive was quite constant and usually how I calculate FC is I reset the meter every each full pump, I've been practicing this calculation for the past 2 years. Total KM Travelled divided by Litre of fuel pumped. I always stop filling when the nozzle auto stop, and I also pump at the same petrol station, same petrol pump as well. Regarding the consistency of the result I can say my driving pattern is pretty steady, gear change usually before 2.5k RPM depending on road condition. I can say I'm pretty light footed. Everytime I calculate my FC for Iswara it will be within 11.3 - 12.3km/l. My alternate Myvi I haven't test it with 97 yet, however it gave me around 15-16km/l reading most of the time with RON95 unless I go full highway then can get around 18km/l1) A magician that uses timing light, the firing timing has been optimized to the circumstances where the engine health stands 2) A magician that uses ping detector(the hospital heartbeat reader thingy) to read ping can further finalize your ignition timing settings. Usually when procedure 1 is completed, this is the next step to micro decreasing ignition timing to minimize/eliminate ping/knock. Usually they no longer use hand to push anymore(only will do counter clockwise at this point to further retard ignition timing), use a small thing may be test pen to lightly knock on the distributor to get the best setup out of it. 3) A magician that uses CO reader will know how much is the exact carbon monoxide released from your exhaust tail pipe, so he/she can adjust your air flow/idling throttle angle/fuel flow/FICD actuating angle(for aircond), headlights power draw adjustment(oh yes! our Swaga got this feature also!). Adjustment is solely justified base on how much CO emission when the magician go "bem bem" your car, but I bet most magician doesn't do the "bem bem" according to normal driving condition, such as 3krpm! Usually will bem until red line, which is unrealistic. If you go redline often, will you still be worrying on FC? Probably not. If you're an ordinary driver, what is your rev range? Probably 3krpm max 4) A good magician will repeat step no.1 and 2 all over again to reconfirm the 3rd setting does not affect the ignition timing. If ignition timing has to be reset, step 3 may need to redo depending on how far off step 1 is. Usually, an average magician already can gets step 1 right for the 1st time. Hence, there are really no need to repeat the process at all, but for the sake of confirmation, and yes that makes a difference between a good magician and a lousy magician. Usually its not about the skill anymore because the good 1 and bad 1 are almost similarly skillful, but the good 1 will go an extra mile to confirm his setup has been carried up correctly. AND, for the price of RM20, even he didn't repeat you also should feel grateful ady Nowadays where to find RM20 tuning that involved all the above! When was the tuning carried out? Carburetor got cuci or not before the tuning? This is a mechanical carburetor engine, any slight change of condition the setting also will deviate, depending on how bad the condition is. Unlike EFi engines can auto adjust everything according to engine health condition. Even our old 4G1x MPi that can't adjust ignition timing automatically also can adjust fuel injection rate to adapt. Autochoke can be rosak without affecting much other than cold start idling speed. Definitely not affecting of what RON fuel you use I really curious, how did you obtain the FC reading from your previous posts where you mentioned 14km/l? Is it the FUELLY way? Or the pay RM50, call it a tank? All my life, other than newer high compression vehicles, the 90's designed engine that has significant fuel economy between RON92 and RON97 was my CRX B16A Btw now I'm testing 2nd tank of RON97 let's see how it goes, if it falls back to 12km/l then I'm out of words. *Edit: Forgot to thank you for taking so much efforts to respond to my post and explaining those magician's skill This post has been edited by zero5177: Mar 19 2015, 02:43 PM |
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Dear all Sifu,
My Iswara year 95 is facing some issue below... can help to enlight me abit of this? These are parts I changed recently Mounting - Changed 3 years Distributor - Changed 2 years (Not Ori) Spark Plug - Changed 1 year ago Tuning - performed 2 years ago along with change of distributor Recently I feel the engine is abit shaky once in a while about 4 days ago.. Until yesterday the car suddenly feel like become so underpower and shaky especially at 1.5k RPM its like whole car shaking, and once a while I heard like firecracker sound from my car. I didn't rev much with the car... usually RPM stay below 2.5k RPM in city drive and I'm light-footed... Another thing is previously once in a while the RPM meter will be unstable, it will not stay at the right RPM even I'm cruising... I notice is more noticeable when I pickup, but yesterday the RPM meter jump is more obvious than before What could be most possibly go wrong here? Distributors? Or Carburetor Air&Fuel mixture problem? This post has been edited by zero5177: Jul 26 2015, 11:06 PM |
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Jul 27 2015, 11:56 AM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jul 27 2015, 02:49 AM) Ouch... guess I have to change that... but not worth if I plan to keep the car for less than 1 year...Anyway could engine mounting kong within 3 years? I mean in normal occasion... cause this car seldom drive... one year only drove less than 10k KM... and become so shaky in a sudden? it just shake... no weird sound from the vibration |
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Jul 27 2015, 12:00 PM
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QUOTE(Albert B @ Jul 27 2015, 10:28 AM) Your problem of engine misfire, lack of power, and meter misbehaviour can The meter will also misbehave even the car is on idling... but that only happens once in a while...be due to one of many causes, as the attached Haynes guide shows. It can be from the ignition system (distributor/coil/cable/plugs) or fuel system (pump/carburettor/filters), or engine mechanicals. I am not sure if the meter problem and lack of power are symptoms of clutch slip. Or it may just be the VDO defective meter which is quite common. If you are into DIY, what you can do is first take a look at the plugs. Remove them and look at the condition. You can google for spark plug guides to compare if there is indication of the problem. Run the engine in area of darkness and observe for spark leakages at the cables or distributor. Is the spark plug gap correct (the shop sometimes sell you BP5SES-11 which is pregapped at 1.1 mm which can cause misfire if there are leakages. You can also open the distributor and inspect the condition for moisture, carbon tracking or other defects. Or like Quazacolt said the distributor may be defective. Is your autochoke working correctly? You can observe this by looking at the piston position between hot & cold. I'll give a try on checking the autochoke... by the way could this autochoke make the car so shaky all these while? This car do have some symptoms of bad autochoke previously like the engine will die off during cold start and engine behave normally after engine becomes warm.... but now is shaky all the time especially RPM is around 1.5k This post has been edited by zero5177: Jul 27 2015, 12:01 PM |
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QUOTE(jedi_master @ Jul 28 2015, 08:47 PM) Don't think it's your ignition, just a flat spot in your carb tuning causing your engine to run lean at that rpm range. The lean spike would result backfiring of exhaust as well. Actually you can just get someone to rev your car to the problematic range, and adjust the air/fuel screw on the carb until the problem just goes away, but don't over compensate. Oh ok.. I'll take note of that... Thanks |
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Guys, I changed the distributors, spark plug cable, air filter, fuel filter and engine oil. Now the RPM is stable already pointing at wherever it should be, car power seems to improved but not like when its in good condition yet. So far no misfire/backfire The bad news is the car is still shaking at RPM below 1.8k, I also discovered the sound of the exhaust is not smooth as well. This morning I find out that the shaking is not caused by mounting, because after half an hour drive, suddenly the shake is totally gone and engine become very responsive and smooth... could this be the autochoke problem? This post has been edited by zero5177: Jul 29 2015, 09:39 AM |
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jul 29 2015, 09:28 AM) as you eliminated distributor/eo/plug cable, check the carb and autochoke now Oh yeah... I also missed out fuel filter... I also changed fuel filter as well... the small plastic bottledoh somehow i missed air filter rofl If it was carburettor problem it should be constantly bad right? won't suddenly become normal? Cause autochoke is the only thing I can think of now that can make the sudden change... |
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Guys, anyone know the price for Iswara engine top overhaul? Mine was quoted RM400 for engine top overhaul and checking, haven't include parts cause duno what might be broken inside.
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Jan 5 2016, 09:27 PM
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U guys know how much the rubber shoe on the clutch pedal cost? Mine broken already... sometimes very slippery when my slipper is wet
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QUOTE(Tham @ Jan 6 2016, 12:39 AM) Oh, the last I bought a couple some years ago was just $2 each. Oh thanks, is it easily available at spare parts shop?Locally made, I guess. Tends to wear out quite fast, especially at the lower right corner (for the brake) and lower right/upper left for the clutch. So I've cut some rubber linings meant for shoes, stuck them to that brake corner, and covered up the whole top of the clutch. |
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Mari share share your year make and Mileage
Mine is Year 1993 Mileage 280k |
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