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AVFAN
post May 18 2015, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(mikehwy @ May 18 2015, 10:17 PM)
Latest....

Oil was retreating from +1.40 afternoon loxal time to -0.30. Now its upping as IS just captured some city of iraq...
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been watching it bounce around 60.5-61.0 for a couple of hrs.

but yes... hope it get over 61!

if not, better it go below 60, chancc to buy XLE <80! tongue.gif
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post May 18 2015, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(mikehwy @ May 18 2015, 10:46 PM)
oh oh. Me watching xle too...deciding to enter or exit
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does not look easy for it come down <80.

so, my eyes now on something more volatile. laugh.gif
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post May 19 2015, 01:16 AM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ May 19 2015, 01:02 AM)
Icahn spoiled my apple bears  mad.gif
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bears big and small all went hiding la... tongue.gif

today nasdaq bull, s&p bull.

only oil is flat.



will SPY cross 213 today? brows.gif
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post May 19 2015, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(morning06 @ May 19 2015, 02:29 AM)
wats your target  brows.gif  or you're waiting for bear
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some people are already talking about djia at 20,000 by year end - 12% gain for the yr.

i like that, so i will target 12% gain for S&P500 = 2,300, i.e. SPY at 230. tongue.gif

QUOTE(danmooncake @ May 19 2015, 07:25 AM)
Overnight, managed to grab a few ikan bilis of XLE again  to see if can grow into Grouper tomorrow.  biggrin.gif
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xle did not retreat much, so i grabbed something else earlier in the session.

the grouper was seen but as oil price fizzled, it morphed into ikan bilis.

at closing and after hrs, a mini grouper emerged... so, it oil price stays >60 tonite, i should get my mini grouper. laugh.gif
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post May 19 2015, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ May 19 2015, 10:28 PM)
Actually, XLE is quite volatile tonight. Got that gap down from yesterday low.
Same as OIH.
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i think more like dived and struggling to recover!

oil price dives, so all them go down.

the grouper became ikan bilis, then vanished with the bait and hook! laugh.gif

looks like no trade, no buy tonite. just sit back n watch a bit, see how low will oil go.

please to see XLV finally doing some catchup.
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post May 19 2015, 11:36 PM

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hoo... oil bouncing back!



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false alarm, continues to head lower...


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post May 20 2015, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ May 20 2015, 12:55 AM)
and apple bull, after hearing no apple tv, more doubts come?  brows.gif
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aapl is worth 240 la! tongue.gif

QUOTE(morning06 @ May 20 2015, 01:08 AM)
SPY daily forming ascending triangle pattern, continuation higher coming  brows.gif
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SPY's been good to me - most stable, decent gains - average 5% gain in 6 months, nothing to complain. 230 it is. laugh.gif

QUOTE(danmooncake @ May 20 2015, 03:19 AM)
Ouch!... XLE broke thru the floor at 79.50    All ikan bilis caught yesterday turning into fish eggs. doh.gif
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oil/energy took a beating last session. strong housing pushing the rate hike thingy again, usd moving up again. with excess supply, oil price probably will stay weak for now.
i was much tempted to buy XLE at 79.50 but decide to keep watching, patient...

QUOTE(danmooncake @ May 19 2015, 10:09 PM)
I'm buying the DIA for every dips instead of SPY now.
DIA (Dow version of the ETF) actually is cheaper (in terms of PE).
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this one is a much less popular one, a tiny fraction of the SPY volume... liquidity...?
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post May 20 2015, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ May 20 2015, 10:07 AM)
Tomorrow better not turn below 79 otherwise I'm out and go into bear mode.  blink.gif
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<79 will happen, imo. unless oil price returns to 60 quick.
mid dec 2014 with oil at 58, xle was 75-77.
oih has also gone below 37 which is bad news.


but... no need to go bear yet. oil/energy down, nasdaq is still in play! laugh.gif
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post May 20 2015, 08:52 PM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ May 20 2015, 06:04 PM)
Wondering Icahn responses to the "Apple had dropped Apple TV plan" news yet? Had you read that? 240 -> 180?  tongue.gif
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doesn't matter. 130->180->240 in 2-3 yrs, ok. biggrin.gif




tonite looks mild - oil flat, futures flat, eu flat.

my watchlist is all green but by not much.

fed minutes may throw things about...?
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post May 20 2015, 09:39 PM

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err... all red within 10 mins! laugh.gif
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post May 20 2015, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(mikehwy @ May 20 2015, 09:51 PM)
Ooops, my portfolio went from quite green to red! but but the index is only down by -20 (not alot aint it?). i am waiting for it to get green again while dows hits another record?
no bad news today...well, no gooddies either. Emm ... ?
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all waiting for fed minutes, see if there is any more clue from last month's brief.

chances are nothing or reaffirmation or "no rate hike... yet".


very tempted to get xle now at 79.3x... hmm.gif
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post May 20 2015, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(mikehwy @ May 20 2015, 10:08 PM)
yoo, me still keeping it but -0.60 now.  cry.gif
oil has been under pressure since yday after US announced that it has 'higher' stock pile and supplies. but soat it will hit the 60 (nymex) again not long. rclxub.gif
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u shud keep if not in rush.

xle is not so good to trade. to trade, oih is much better - at least double the volatility! laugh.gif

xle now 79.5x.
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post May 20 2015, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ May 20 2015, 10:31 PM)
Anyway, tonight - didn't see any grouper yet.
If still can't see it by closing, I may take those ikan bilis bought below 79.50 and turn into sambal belacan meal.  sad.gif
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no grouper in sight.

like the fed, i will be "patient" tonite, keep watching! tongue.gif
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QUOTE(mikehwy @ May 20 2015, 10:35 PM)
latest: -
crude oil inventories down by 2.7m
gasoline down by 2.5m
...relative to last month
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not good enough, oil price dives....
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post May 20 2015, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ May 20 2015, 10:31 PM)
If still can't see it by closing, I may take those ikan bilis bought below 79.50 and turn into sambal belacan meal.  sad.gif
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done 79.40. hope my ikan bilis can morph with yours to groupers! laugh.gif
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post May 20 2015, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(mikehwy @ May 20 2015, 10:49 PM)
exactly! bloomberg just said that it is rather 'unusual' for oil prices to drop despite the latest report of lower data. maybe they are crawling up slowly?
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i think becos the price run up been too much, hoping for much lower stocks.
well, it is better than stocks increase!! biggrin.gif
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post May 20 2015, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ May 20 2015, 10:51 PM)
wait for china numbers... brows.gif
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japan nos. good today which gave oil a lift. china nos. will lift it further? biggrin.gif

QUOTE(danmooncake @ May 20 2015, 11:02 PM)
You're right, needs to wait and see (or place your bet to buy lotto ticket.  biggrin.gif )
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which is why i only want to collect xle for now.

when the picture is clearer, i trade the more volatile ones.
had to close off fast last night watching it dive 3.5%... the horror! laugh.gif

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post May 20 2015, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ May 20 2015, 10:31 PM)
XLE is the base.. OIH is double...  ERX is triple  
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i just checked ERX but can't find the holdings info. is this ETF a portfolio of other oil/energy ETFs?

XLE has mostly oil companies and a couple of the largest oilfield service cos. OIH has major oilfield services and equipment cos.

also... XLE expense ratio is 0.15%, OIH 0.35%, ERX is 0.95%.

volumewise, ERX is much lower than the other 2...

what might explain the higher volatility? got to be coming from the stocks mix in it... small caps?

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post May 21 2015, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(rjb123 @ May 21 2015, 12:05 AM)
ERX is 3x leveraged!
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meaning this fund uses borrowing 3 times the fund size, heavier interest expense then?

xle is zero borrowing?
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post May 21 2015, 12:32 AM

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QUOTE(rjb123 @ May 21 2015, 12:21 AM)
Same scenario as SPY vs 3x S&P 500 leveraged

There's also the inverse, Daily Bear which is also 3x but in the other direction.  Only really used for intra day

Xle isn't leveraged
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ah, thanks.

like SPXL, SPXS... extra large, extra sensitive!! laugh.gif

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