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post Nov 4 2014, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(hifzil @ Nov 4 2014, 10:24 AM)
daniel sturridge could be fit for real madrid  sweat.gif
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it is there for sight seeing. he ain't going to play
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QUOTE(yeelong @ Nov 4 2014, 10:47 AM)
it is there for sight seeing. he ain't going to play
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ya, he going to meet his agent sign pre-contract with RM...then leave during xmas window.
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post Nov 4 2014, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 4 2014, 10:49 AM)
ya, he going to meet his agent sign pre-contract with RM...then leave during xmas window.
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post Nov 4 2014, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(sahathai @ Nov 4 2014, 10:40 AM)
its not a plan B but a whole new plan A
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It's not rocket science. Suarez was a very mobile player and he's got the skills and enough of pace to get past players from deep or from wide areas. That also freed up other players to run through the middle to provide options for Suarez to pass to. That's why the team had no major problems when Sturridge was injured last season. Balo, unfortunately, is a very different player from Suarez. He may come deep but he's not a dribbler or a runner that can beat 2 defenders at one go. And it's pretty obvious he doesn't have the vision like Suarez to pick out a pass. So, BR really needs to tweak how the team goes forward now because he can't just place Balo as a Suarez-type of player in the team and expect him to do what Suarez did.

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post Nov 4 2014, 11:31 AM

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Balo is more of a target man ... he has strength and quick.. this are rare quality. Most forward with high strength tend to be slow(Giroud, Llorente). BR need to utilize his Midfield to suit Balotelli play style. for example Balo in his national team are different player because last time Prandelli utilize his mid area thus Balo have more freedom to move. I don't see this in current Liverpool gameplay, they are too direct. It's my 2 cent only... peace

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QUOTE(lone_wolf @ Nov 4 2014, 11:31 AM)
Balo is more of a target man ... he has strength and quick.. this are rare quality. Most forward with high strength tend to be slow(Giroud, Llorente). BR need to utilize his Midfield to suit Balotelli play style. for example Balo in his national team are different player because last time Prandelli utilize his mid area thus Balo have more freedom to move. I don't see this in current Liverpool gameplay, they are too direct. It's my 2 cent only... peace

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You are right. Balo needs to be serviced regularly just like his ego, it's needs to be stroke to bring out the beast in him.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 4 2014, 10:43 AM)
its not his plan thats failing to break teams down, nor is it supposedly other teams figuring out his plan.
afterall, a good team will just play however they like...like how many variations of a tactic can there be?
it still comes down to individual skills, mentality etc etc...just like most past great teams there ever was.
so even if opposing teams can know how a team is gonna play, doesnt mean they can do anything about it...
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Nope. Tactics can win the battle for you if you play them right. For example, Rafa's teams may don't have the individual skills and flair as other flamboyant teams like Real Madrid and Barcelona, but if he manage to compensate the shortfall in this area with his tactical prowess.

So NO, you can't have Suarez, CR7 and Messi in your team and rush them head on with diamonds and 2 DMs all the time.

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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Nov 4 2014, 11:43 AM)
Nope. Tactics can win the battle for you if you play them right. For example, Rafa's teams may don't have the individual skills and flair as other flamboyant teams like Real Madrid and Barcelona, but if he manage to compensate the shortfall in this area with his tactical prowess.

So NO, you can't have Suarez, CR7 and Messi in your team and rush them head on with diamonds and 2 DMs all the time.
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during rafa's time, CR7 wasnt in RM, while messi hadnt matured yet in barca... tongue.gif
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post Nov 4 2014, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(lone_wolf @ Nov 4 2014, 11:31 AM)
Balo is more of a target man ... he has strength and quick.. this are rare quality. Most forward with high strength tend to be slow(Giroud, Llorente). BR need to utilize his Midfield to suit Balotelli play style. for example Balo in his national team are different player because last time Prandelli utilize his mid area thus Balo have more freedom to move. I don't see this in current Liverpool gameplay, they are too direct. It's my 2 cent only... peace
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No offence but its not smart to change the whole team play just to accommodate 1 player, which in this case I am not blaming Balotelli, but on BR himself to bring him in in the first place.
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QUOTE(sahathai @ Nov 4 2014, 11:40 AM)
A plan B.. Means he's not that stubborn after all. But the way i see it, its not a plan B but a whole new plan A. This time not only certain teams but we cant seems to break down almost every team... Before, the game plan is simple.. keep passing the ball to Suarez and he'll do the rest. Now players lost their target and become clueless on what to do next in the final third...  So without Suarez, we are not just loosing one player, but the most crucial element that make the system works...  it is like replacing a missing piece of jigsaw puzzle with  something that doesnt fit. But maybe I'm wrong, time will tell.. Hopefully so....
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i don't know, to me its kinda plan B (now)

Firstly, plan A work better with suarez (diamond formation), take that out of the equation (and now without strurridge) its kinda fall down faster than alice's deck-of cards.

We kinda of resorted to hoof it up to target man (at times), i suppose thats plan B (is it not? sweat.gif) So, it can be defended that his semi evolving Plan B doesn't work. (take that ye all rodger haters tongue.gif )


Mr Rodgers, if you need a little pep advice how to deal with the Spanish powerhouse in Real Madrid (and later with mourino's chelsea), maybe you can secretly whatsapp mr rafa benitez. I think seƱor rafa will be ok with that. whistling.gif

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a lot of makeshift needed. dropping a lot of key men, well this will be the test for young uns that if indeed they run at the trenches for the team.

Borini, Sterling, Lallana, Coutinho, Lucas, Can, Johnson, Skrtel, Sakho, Manquillo, Mignolet


subs Balotelli, Lambert, Henderson , Gerrard, ,Lovern, Moreno
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 4 2014, 11:59 AM)
during rafa's time, CR7 wasnt in RM, while messi hadnt matured yet in barca... tongue.gif
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Yeah...we beat Barca at Nu Camp with Bellamy in our line up. Wut an epic time that was
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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Nov 4 2014, 02:45 PM)
Yeah...we beat Barca at Nu Camp with Bellamy in our line up. Wut an epic time that was
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i think that was when Bellamy had "golf club accident" with Riise? Can someone pass Balo his golf club?
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QUOTE(bearbear @ Nov 4 2014, 02:57 PM)
i think that was when Bellamy had "golf club accident" with Riise? Can someone pass Balo his golf club?
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Hit moreno. haha
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post Nov 4 2014, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Nov 4 2014, 03:57 PM)
i think that was when Bellamy had "golf club accident" with Riise? Can someone pass Balo his golf club?
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yeah Balo has been subdued. time for him to blast firecrackers too tongue.gif
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Nov 4 2014, 03:15 PM)
yeah Balo has been subdued. time for him to blast firecrackers too tongue.gif
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Nov 4 2014, 12:04 PM)
i don't know, to me its kinda plan B (now)

Firstly, plan A work better with suarez (diamond formation), take that out of the equation (and now without strurridge) its kinda fall down faster than alice's deck-of cards.

We kinda of resorted to hoof it up to target man (at times), i suppose thats plan B (is it not?  sweat.gif)  So, it can be defended that his semi evolving Plan B doesn't work. (take that ye all rodger haters  tongue.gif )
Mr Rodgers, if you need a little pep advice how to deal with the Spanish powerhouse in Real Madrid (and later with mourino's chelsea), maybe you can secretly whatsapp mr rafa benitez. I think seƱor rafa will be ok with that.  whistling.gif

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If play with hoof up to target man, you need 2 strikers.
One flick the header, knock down, the other one waiting to get the knock down to get pass the defender and shoot on goal.
Just like Heskey/Owen combination.

Then this kind of hoof got use.

One striker, hoof up, head, nobody then to receive the knock down.
Even the striker manage to control and hold up the ball, the striker is backing the opponent goal, how to score?
Also, if hold too long by then already surrounded by defenders (as you only have 1 striker with 2 opponent CB to beat), unless have the ability to nutmeg the defender like Suarez, then I do not see how scoring chance can be created with 1 striker with ball hoofing up.
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post Nov 4 2014, 03:56 PM

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Final prediction real madrid 2-2 liverpool.

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Nov 4 2014, 04:56 PM)
Final prediction real madrid 2-2 liverpool.
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I'll gladly take it

No, it's a steal. sweat.gif

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