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post Sep 9 2015, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(BlizzardCraft @ Sep 9 2015, 02:16 PM)
if i constantly leaving the turbo boost on while plugged on. will it harm the lappy?
(not on games always)
and how about leaving the fan on maximum in another case. will it result in fan durabilty loss?
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Haswell procs run in different c-states. U can configure in ure windows power config on min n max. Mine is at 0-100. Haswell has a internal vrm hence clock on demand modulation is insane fast so no point having min at 100%.

That being said y u want to have the fan 100% since when ure not gaming gpu is basically in idle/off state with optimus.
Ure using ure igpu at this point.

For worksheet work n surfing etc.. With a i7 4720.. Powersaving mode has enough power to ensure smoothness..

So?????? Y dude u want turbo on all the time?? I enable it based on fps i want which is 60. If i find the game is cpu bound i enable it. Still not enough xtu oc for another two more higher multiplier..

4720hq is tdp limited. Temp is a component on how tdp is measured. So when it hits.. U will throttle down..

So...
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post Sep 9 2015, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Sep 9 2015, 02:27 PM)
Haswell procs run in different c-states. U can configure in ure windows power config on min n max. Mine is at 0-100. Haswell has a internal vrm hence clock on demand modulation is insane fast so no point having min at 100%.

That being said y u want to have the fan 100% since when ure not gaming gpu is basically in idle/off state with optimus.
Ure using ure igpu at this point.

For worksheet work n surfing etc.. With a i7 4720.. Powersaving mode has enough power to ensure smoothness..

So?????? Y dude u want turbo on all the time?? I enable it based on fps i want which is 60. If i find the game is cpu bound i enable it. Still not enough xtu oc for another two more higher multiplier..

4720hq is tdp limited. Temp is a component on how tdp is measured. So when it hits.. U will throttle down..

So...
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haha okay get it now, thx for the explaination
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post Sep 9 2015, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(BlizzardCraft @ Sep 9 2015, 02:27 PM)
why ddr4 coming soon, and ddr3 price will go up? shouldnt ddr4 be better than dd3 ._.

i dont get the msata part thou, btw my comp is running one 1TB SSHD already, hence considering the MSATA
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To make it easier..Whats the price of new ddr2 2gb stick for laptop?? About 120...u can almost buy a 8gb ddr3...Ram prices depends on production. When theres more its cheaper. In taiwan ram ics are traded like warrants/futures etc..

So msata is just to speed up booting. I nvr shitdown my z5. Its on hibernate. Hibernate stores the last ram state directly into hdd. Technically comp is off.

Unless ure doing alot of project work that move large files etc.. Dont see the benefit..

I am just telling u pros n cons. Ure decision dude.

Theres a pro n cons for both choices but it depends on ure intent.

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post Sep 9 2015, 02:37 PM

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post Sep 9 2015, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Sep 9 2015, 02:33 PM)
To make it easier..Whats the price of  new ddr2 2gb stick for laptop?? About 120...u can almost buy a 8gb ddr3...Ram prices depends on production. When theres more its cheaper. In taiwan ram ics are traded like warrants/futures etc..

So msata is just to speed up booting. I nvr shitdown my z5. Its on hibernate. Hibernate stores the last ram state directly into hdd. Technically comp is off.

Unless ure doing alot of project work that move large files etc.. Dont see the benefit..

I am just telling u pros n cons. Ure decision dude.

Theres a pro n cons for both choices but it depends on ure intent.
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okay, i think i'm set with my HDD.

for the ram part, means that ddr3 stock will be limited, as i'm using ddr3, i need to buy another ddr3 for upgrade,

wont be able to buy ddr4 although its cheaper cuz it's not compatible with my ddr3?

so options are : buy 2 ddr4 8GB or buy a ddr3 8GB?
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post Sep 9 2015, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(BlizzardCraft @ Sep 9 2015, 02:56 PM)
okay, i think i'm set with my HDD.

for the ram part, means that ddr3 stock will be limited, as i'm using ddr3, i need to buy another ddr3 for upgrade,

wont be able to buy ddr4 although its cheaper cuz it's not compatible with my ddr3?

so options are : buy 2 ddr4 8GB or buy a ddr3 8GB?
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Your system doesn't compatible with DDR4 but DDR3L.
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post Sep 9 2015, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(BlizzardCraft @ Sep 9 2015, 02:56 PM)
okay, i think i'm set with my HDD.

for the ram part, means that ddr3 stock will be limited, as i'm using ddr3, i need to buy another ddr3 for upgrade,

wont be able to buy ddr4 although its cheaper cuz it's not compatible with my ddr3?

so options are : buy 2 ddr4 8GB or buy a ddr3 8GB?
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ddr4 is cheaper????? where u got that info?
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post Sep 9 2015, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(Arvinaaaaa @ Sep 9 2015, 03:03 PM)
ddr4 is cheaper????? where u got that info?
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according to cst. supply and demand stuff D: look at the post he tagged me
correct me if im wrong
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QUOTE(Prince J @ Sep 9 2015, 03:00 PM)
Your system doesn't compatible with DDR4 but DDR3L.
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post Sep 9 2015, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(BlizzardCraft @ Sep 9 2015, 03:06 PM)
according to cst. supply and demand stuff D: look at the post he tagged me
correct me if im wrong
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oh no bro..that is because ddr2 rams production has already stopped..hence it is expensive over the ddr3

in this case, ddr4 is still very new, and quite powerful and efficient..and harga pun tinggi haha,, compared to ddr3 (which is still in production)

over time as ddr4 demand increase and supply increase to met the demand, the price will reduce and in return, ddr3 production will stop and the price will increase..

understand bro what i explained? smile.gif
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post Sep 9 2015, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(Arvinaaaaa @ Sep 9 2015, 03:11 PM)
oh no bro..that is because ddr2 rams production has already stopped..hence it is expensive over the ddr3

in this case, ddr4 is still very new, and quite powerful and efficient..and harga pun tinggi haha,, compared to ddr3 (which is still in production)

over time as ddr4 demand increase and supply increase to met the demand, the price will reduce and in return, ddr3 production will stop and the price will increase..

understand bro what i explained? smile.gif
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haha okay. means need to wait quite awhile la, few years perhaps?
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QUOTE(BlizzardCraft @ Sep 9 2015, 03:12 PM)
haha okay. means need to wait quite awhile la, few years perhaps?
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no la..a few months will do for ddr4 ram...technology still very new..even the sky lake processors price high
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post Sep 9 2015, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(BlizzardCraft @ Sep 9 2015, 02:56 PM)
okay, i think i'm set with my HDD.

for the ram part, means that ddr3 stock will be limited, as i'm using ddr3, i need to buy another ddr3 for upgrade,

wont be able to buy ddr4 although its cheaper cuz it's not compatible with my ddr3?

so options are : buy 2 ddr4 8GB or buy a ddr3 8GB?
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u need ddr3L.

QUOTE(Arvinaaaaa @ Sep 9 2015, 03:03 PM)
ddr4 is cheaper????? where u got that info?
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QUOTE(BlizzardCraft @ Sep 9 2015, 03:06 PM)
according to cst. supply and demand stuff D: look at the post he tagged me
correct me if im wrong
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QUOTE(Arvinaaaaa @ Sep 9 2015, 03:11 PM)
oh no bro..that is because ddr2 rams production has already stopped..hence it is expensive over the ddr3

in this case, ddr4 is still very new, and quite powerful and efficient..and harga pun tinggi haha,, compared to ddr3 (which is still in production)

over time as ddr4 demand increase and supply increase to met the demand, the price will reduce and in return, ddr3 production will stop and the price will increase..

understand bro what i explained? smile.gif
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QUOTE(BlizzardCraft @ Sep 9 2015, 03:12 PM)
haha okay. means need to wait quite awhile la, few years perhaps?
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QUOTE(Arvinaaaaa @ Sep 9 2015, 03:16 PM)
no la..a few months will do for ddr4 ram...technology still very new..even the sky lake processors price high
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ddr4 prices are dropping. Guess u notebook ppl dont notice. Its almost to ddr3 level atm with desktop. Quad bins were expensive. Duals are not. Btw if sodimm ddr4 are anything like desktop dual channel.. ure gonna see 16gb sticks... skylake takes 64gb on 4dimm slots.

DDR4 sodimm will reach ddr3 pricing quickly and the change from the market to ddr4 atm all depends on skylake/mobo pricing competitiveness. Intel has low production on skylake which doesnt help on pricing atm.

EOL is one thing and production and pricing is based on demand. DDr4 will ultimately build on a smaller 10nm fabrication. Its cheaper to make.

Btw thats y ssds are getting cheaper. Nand size. Initially they had heat tolerance issues but its solved for the most part now.

U already have 8gb .. the need for 16gb vs ssd. Only you can know.
What i am telling you is if you need 16gb get it from PrinceJ rather than upgrading on ure own... with the reasoning i gave above.

SSD go if u need it. I was running a 512gb Corsair Neutron Xt on mine. Just took it out. Tested with it and cloned exact startup with resume from hibernation vs sshd.. its 9sec vs 15sec in windows 10.

Seriously advice ppl to move over to windows 10. Its really good for notebook. Seems to be more battery efficient.

Benching now 3dmark firestrike in a bit. This time without Xtu overclock on the cpu and just purely in desktop and not in diagnostic mode. Aka as windows default.

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Im thinking of this Z5 for my next laptop but im concerned about the hinge some reviewers are talking about (but they seem biased to me). My current Asus laptop already has hinge issues and i dont need another one which will give me similar issues in the future.
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QUOTE(EXkurogane @ Sep 9 2015, 04:50 PM)
Im thinking of this Z5 for my next laptop but im concerned about the hinge some reviewers are talking about (but they seem biased to me). My current Asus laptop already has hinge issues and i dont need another one which will give me similar issues in the future.
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Correct me if i am wrong but i think its a metal hinge with a plastic cover.
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QUOTE(EXkurogane @ Sep 9 2015, 04:50 PM)
Im thinking of this Z5 for my next laptop but im concerned about the hinge some reviewers are talking about (but they seem biased to me). My current Asus laptop already has hinge issues and i dont need another one which will give me similar issues in the future.
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The plastic Z5 hinge is wobbly (although never had 1 hinge failed unit comes back over thousand units sold).

The aluminium Z5 hinge is very much stable, you can come and try out the demo at our office.

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Sep 9 2015, 05:11 PM)
Correct me if i am wrong but i think its a metal hinge with a plastic cover.
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Yes it's metal hinge with plastic cover. There is no way plastic can become hinge.
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QUOTE(Prince J @ Sep 9 2015, 05:39 PM)
The plastic Z5 hinge is wobbly (although never had 1 hinge failed unit comes back over thousand units sold).

The aluminium Z5 hinge is very much stable, you can come and try out the demo at our office.
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Well im from penang so... XD
You mean the hinge has been changed to aluminium since then? Because there is only 1 model that goes by the Z5 name and customers customize the specs to their liking.

I thought of waiting for the arrival of core i7 6x00 series (skylake) but it might get even more expensive if there is such an option. hmm.gif

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