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de1929
post Dec 21 2014, 07:53 AM

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QUOTE(simpletraveler @ Dec 21 2014, 12:03 AM)
Don't understand why you call those comments and questions as "attack". I thought every thread is meant for discussions ? I hope the rules can be clearer.
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I personally welcome you to ask in this thread. Like i said, placeboo effects is GOD's grace.
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post Dec 21 2014, 08:20 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 21 2014, 12:43 AM)
Bro De1929,

Can I request that you don't enforce what God has done for your level of Faith to people who can't accept it at the moment?
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Bro Luffy,

Can I request that you don't be too hard on De1929.
Can I request both of you to just shake hand and agree to disagree?
For the fellowship sake?
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Bro UW,

Why these people disturb me on the first place ? they always start first. Not me.

tell them to leave me alone and i will not bother with them.


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post Dec 21 2014, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 21 2014, 07:09 PM)
If you welcome him here, don't say I didn't warn you. You don't know who He is but I know that trouble maker.

Why don't you just check his history first? This guy has an unreasonable hatred for Christians.

De1929, there are something it's better for you to listen.

This fellowship will turn into another RWI arguing for the sake of arguing.

It will be a waste of time and turn into bad testimony.

This is not the purpose for our fellowship thread. And you are frankly very stubborn headed.
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ok noted. i give him a chance... people change right ?
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post Dec 21 2014, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(poooky @ Dec 21 2014, 09:27 PM)
hi all, i know this is a sin, but i cant help feeling this way.

this is probably not the right place to post, but i need to get this off my chest. i dont think im a bad guy n when im in my right of mind i would never think of harming or wishing ill towards others. in fact if and when some misunderstanding or whatever comes up that causes a breakdown in relationship between someone n me, im usually the first to concede and apologize even when the other side is mainly to blame.

but every once in a while ppl deliberately harm me in some way and i lose hope in humanity n become cynical. on the surface i appear normal n unfazed, but deep down i want nothing more than to inflict intense agony upon them and anyone they care about. i wish for bad things to happen to them and even imagine scenarios where they are in great need and i'm the only whos capable of helping, but i dont. instead i just stand there watching, smirking as they slowly drain away..

i know many others probably feel or have felt this way as well; its probably human nature, but no one seems to want to talk about it seriously. i know im sinning, but i cant help but feel the way i do... i start asking myself things like why God doesnt do anything, why he prefers to play the role of the silent observer when things are going to poop, why he doesnt just zap these ppl into oblivion because i know i definitely would and the world would be a better place.

the bible says to forgive, but i find that i have a hard time forgiving these ppl. especially when its something big. sure on the surface ill normalize relations and be friendly, but deep down i still wish them ill. sometimes its not just the actions, its the way they did it, the look in their eye when they did it. their eyes, it conveyed the message like they knew what there were doing was wrong n the pain they would cause, but no sht was given.

then im left mentally hurt while they walk away and forget about the whole thing only come back sometime in the future with the intention of reconciling as if nothing happened or it was something very minor to be swept under the rug and wish for things to go back to the way they were? in these times, i cant help but feel that they are doing this because it is in their advantage to do so and as a result i hate them even more. like theyve taken out massive debt, spent it all, defaulted and a couple years later go back as if nothing happened. but i digressed and having ranted long enough, will stop here.
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welcome and feel at home pooky biggrin.gif... pour out all your feelings here, so i can ask HS (Holy Spirit) what should i write to you in reply.

Where is the place you can ask, comment, argue and still anonymous if not in this forum ?

anyway as start, to comment your post, i would like to recommend watch this youtube of joel osteen. Get it with open minded biggrin.gif




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post Dec 21 2014, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Dec 21 2014, 06:01 PM)
Dafuq. I'm starting to think their your teachings are going off track and not us.

Before pointing to proverbs for proof that only the strong survive, here's what the New Testament say about strength.
Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.
2 Corinthians 12:9-10: But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me.  That is why, for Christ's sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
Nowhere does it say that only the strong will survive
In fact is says the exact opposite. God protects the weak. Only the weak can be transformed by God

Because if the person is 'strong', he's not submissive.
Those who are truly 'strong' of faith are very humble people. Humble people don't force others. Humble people don't aggro people like how you're doing now.

Humble people do not call others names and snark
The moment you start bragging that YOU run the standards, you are applying human standards against God.
That is not true strength.
As TS I kindly ask you to go out, take a walk and stop jeering all of us as weak compared to you. Fellowship doesn't mean we're doormats.
I do NOT want to see another snarky comment from you. Not against me, not against my BF, not against anyone else in this thread.  user posted image
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Dec 21 2014, 07:00 PM)
proven i'm right, now that sophiera already reached her limit shocking.gif
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Show me what you can do to remove me from here... please... i would like to test if my ministry here should end, or should continue... go ahead... do anything necessary to remove me...

go tell the moderator to ban me. perhaps that's the way to end my ministry here ? to be honest, let all reader knows here... the strong survive biggrin.gif ...

if Christ with me, who can against me ? You ? 2 of you ?




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post Dec 22 2014, 08:59 AM

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Good morning malaysia. It looks like i still can post. Perhaps my last post, perhaps not biggrin.gif
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post Dec 22 2014, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Dec 22 2014, 01:52 AM)
Ya, maybe need some time and event to 'wake' up another person to see the blind spot.

Last time, my leader rebuked me kaw-kaw and yet I still can't see my pride until for many times only realize 'oh, that's pride'. I keep justifying my wrong doing that time.
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I agree. I also want to see if GOD use sophiera rebuke me, or me to rebuke Sophiera, or something else... we'll see lah... i reallyyyy wanna see how this will ended up...
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post Dec 22 2014, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Dec 20 2014, 07:53 PM)
what are you trying to prove? why are you recommending these mega churches?

does smaller church does not welcome newcomers? i wondering where you get the idea from? Jesus said i am the way the truth and the life and He also said Go and preach to the world of the Good News, preaching to them in the name of The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit.

if small church does not welcome new members how would they grows?
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Dec 22 2014, 01:43 AM)
I don't think I need to say anymore. The post kena report liao.
So folks, I'd like to point to a link
http://carm.org/signs-practices-of-a-cult

There is a very fine line between standing for your beliefs and condemning everyone who don't agree with you. The latter is what we call cult behaviour
I don't necessarily agree with Pehkay's theology. But do badger him every post and try to change him in public? No.

Do I rub his personal life in his face as proof of his failure? No.
But Dee had provoked every single person on this forum. Both on a theological and personal basis. Apparently doing wrong in the name of God justify the means.
This is what drives even our fellow brothers and sisters away from God. If own family also cannot tahan you think unbelievers will?

Time to ignore. Kacau lagi, report.
Oh is this too harsh, one may ask? Here's what the Bible says about people who cari gaduh
I give you Titus 3:10

Titus 3:10-11 New International Version (NIV)

Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them. You may be sure that such people are warped and sinful; they are self-condemned.
Case closed.
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I have complained to moderator these 2 posts. Let's see what happen. You 2 started with me, let everybody see what happen...


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post Dec 22 2014, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 22 2014, 11:30 AM)
You can engage him in RWI but pls not here.
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ok uw noted. I understand your concern, but give me room as well.

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post Dec 22 2014, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(simpletraveler @ Dec 22 2014, 01:16 PM)
Thank you but I don't want to be engaged in any unreasonable flame war or influence anyone to take sides or trouble the moderators.

I can still voice or questions the same subject matter in other threads or forums. Not just on Christianity but Buddhism and Islam too. The other religions are not afraid to face my questions but why a single member here who is not even the forum owner or moderator ?
I read the rules in the first page,  the rules are put up by the TS which I am not sure if they are valid or not.; not she did not state this thread is ONLY for Christians and no one is allowed to ask questions.

The same unreasonable person here said I am a Christianity hater; how about church members who influence and help their converted ex Buddhist friend to destroy antiques and furniture that contains statue or faces ? Will he consider them as haters ?
I don't like to guess but I think he must be a pastor being afraid of my influence and speaking more  for personal interests.

I don't agree this is a good way to preach a religion.
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I was under impression you are atheist. How come you aware of Christianity issues such as church sizes, money and those things ? usually only "insider" know those things hehehe biggrin.gif
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post Dec 22 2014, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 22 2014, 03:09 PM)
Give you room to prove what? I don't understand you.
You want to achieve what? Attention? Your Dignity?

If you keep on arguing with everyone, what is the point?
Even If I give you freedom with lots of room, you'll be wasting your time posting when no one wants to listen.

Your Pride is the issue here.
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What i assumed, is he was betrayed by the concept of GOD's presence. What am i talking about ?

When i went to healing movement in calvary chappel few months ago, i feel the GOD's presence. That's a blessing for me but for some people is manipulative by Worship team.

This concept must be straighten.

We both agree that GOD's presence is the product of Worship team sacrifice and GOD's favor.

That's why i explain to simpletraveler that placeboo effects (my term is GOD's presence) is... GOD's grace.
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post Dec 22 2014, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 22 2014, 03:59 PM)
Bro, first of all, you must ask yourself, did he mention anything about worship team?

Why are you talking about something that's not the point of issue?

You're simply tembak and assuming things to discuss for the sake of discussing.

Bro, I think you're going all over the place. You're not focused. I don't know what happened to you but this has to stop.
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He did mention about prayer. worship team job is to worship in public = to pray in public. posted below

QUOTE(simpletraveler @ Dec 20 2014, 05:22 PM)
He mentioned he is a newcomer,  so maybe he wish to give the church a chance and to find out. How could he trust any religion without first checking it out ?
I will not be brainwashed. It can be harmful for some people when they find out later that it's all really placebo effects.
I explained gods and placebo effects in a thread I started in RWI.
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QUOTE(simpletraveler @ Dec 20 2014, 09:33 PM)
I  only read beginning part of wiki. .Actually placebo effects need not be medical. People who make prayers are good examples.
About my thread, what you want to ask, just ask there. No need to read every page.
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post Dec 22 2014, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 22 2014, 04:11 PM)
Adoi De1929,

I think you better stop lah.
The Job of the worship team is to usher in the congregation to worship God.

Prayer is another matter.

You're like mixing up things. Are you going through some sort of stress until dunno which to differentiate?
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You and me, church goers understand what is worship team.

For some people, you need to understand that worship team / prayer, resembles sometimes like tari kecak in bali, like picture below:

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post Dec 22 2014, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 22 2014, 05:06 PM)
The focus and worship and the reason for why we are here is our Saviour Jesus Christ.

We are here to encourage one another in the Lord.

So stop your argument with everyone and stop inviting arguments from outside.

Can you or you still refuse and want to go your way?
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i don't see simpletraveler attacking christian value after i convinced him my point of view.

I welcome him in this forum.

If he act improperly,
If he attack Christian value,
If he messed up this forum

if..if..if..if..

We both know what happen to mr zul don't we ? ... GOD can take care this forum.

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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Dec 22 2014, 05:22 PM)
One of the hardest things to realize or 'see' of ourselves is Pride.

Matthew 7: 3 - Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

Proverbs 13:10: "Argument only comes by pride, but wisdom is with those who take advice."

http://www.wordofhisgrace.org/pridebist.htm
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I agreed
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post Dec 22 2014, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 22 2014, 06:46 PM)
You haven't seen doesn't mean I haven't seen.
I (more or less) know what is happening in this forum la bro. I know who is who.

God taking care of us, doesn't mean we go looking or inviting for trouble.

Have you not understood this principal when Jesus was tempted by Satan to throw himself off the cliff?

Haiyo De1929.  doh.gif
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I will love simpletraveler and i will accept simpletraveler, with / without your approval.

whatever happen in the past i acknowledge. I am giving him a new chance.

as long as GOD's grace with me, my decision stands.
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QUOTE(annoymous1234 @ Dec 22 2014, 07:36 PM)
May I ask, why is it that we still have to thank the lord even if he didn't answer out prayers?
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It's a spiritual warfare.

You declare thanks despite enemy is stealing GOD's blessing for you.

Now if you don't mind i ask you back: how can you sure / convinced between 2 things:
1. The LORD didn't answer prayer
2. Devil steal Lord's answer from you

Because the result from above 2 actions are same: Unanswered prayer.

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post Dec 22 2014, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Dec 22 2014, 10:02 PM)
Please don't misleading others thanks
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awww so saaddd.... sure you jelaous with my success....
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QUOTE(annoymous1234 @ Dec 22 2014, 07:36 PM)
May I ask, why is it that we still have to thank the lord even if he didn't answer out prayers?
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I have some reply wrote in post 1389. I believe these 2 youtube videos can give you another mindset to see from another angle. Chew it slowly, and be blessed:







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post Dec 23 2014, 07:32 AM

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Dec 22 2014, 10:59 PM)
Looks like this article explained a lot about a person like de1929's character.  laugh.gif
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