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de1929
post Dec 23 2014, 08:15 AM

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1 John 2:16 (AMP)


For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh [craving for sensual gratification] and the lust of the eyes [greedy longings of the mind] and the pride of life [assurance in one’s own resources or in the stability of earthly things]—these do not come from the Father but are from the world [itself].

--- that's pride according to 1 John 2:16 --

for those who accuse me of being pride tell me
1. When i have shown assurance in my own resources ? Let me read my comment, show me and i will apologize if needed
2. When i have shown assurance in the stability of earthly things ? Let me read my comment, show me and i will apologize if needed

I have demonstrated many times i have GOD's grace and it makes me an overcomer. and according to 1 John 2:16.... It's not pride ! It's a testimony. Don't be fooled bro and sister !

ngaisteve1 I would appreciate if you want to help me clean my reputation here.
Demonstrate your willingness and I will pray and intercede for you.
My GOD, Jesus Christ that died in the Cross (and raise on 3rd day), will reward you richly.

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post Dec 23 2014, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Dec 23 2014, 08:37 AM)
hi de, I am afraid reputation has to be earned also icon_rolleyes.gif
if everyone gives you the same input, you might wanna look into that input. this helps to increase our self-awareness. nod.gif
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hmm... that's the problem lah... who is everyone ? all the losers ? sure they will tell winner are prideful.

you: resign ur job cuz your peer pressure you.
"somebody": cannot resolve unbeliever BF.
tina: don't have cell group and communication problem with leader, cannot bring fren to current church.
UW: cannot forgive simpletraveler.
de1929: cannot write english properly, but manage to overcome a lot of problems

from angle A: i oso write myself prideful:
from angle B: i bring glory to GOD. so i called it testimony.

hey bro... open eyes lah sikit... out of the box lahh... help me sikit2x... help me so everybody can see from angle B biggrin.gif

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post Dec 23 2014, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 23 2014, 09:58 AM)
...all the losers...

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i also wrote myself in the list maaa.... check my original Post #1402 still not edited... only mindset lah brother...

i see myself as a losers,
i see myself as a winner...

only mindset brother.. only mindset...
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post Dec 23 2014, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 23 2014, 10:57 AM)
No you really have an issue with your pride.
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How to differentiate between pride and miscommunication ?

The the nature of the forum (+ my english writing skill) ?

Forum don't have tonal voice to express warmth and gesture. Writing English, and sms and forum posting easily mis communicated

QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 23 2014, 10:57 AM)
You're even willing to use God as a leverage to ask people to help you clean your reputation?

How vain can you get?  shakehead.gif
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Ask HS maa... ? HS told me to ask help from ngai... give ngai a chance to invest in my life. Ok lah obey...

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post Dec 23 2014, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 23 2014, 11:17 AM)
It's not the tone but how you express yourself.
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if i express testimonial and people perceived as pride, it's their mindset has problem.

QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 23 2014, 11:17 AM)
To you everyone is wrong, you think you're the only one who is right.
That is why you fight with everyone who doesn't agree with you.
When people advise you, you don't want to accept and ...

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tell me when you argue with general fahmy / Mr Jul about speaking in tongue. may i say i copy u ?

QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 23 2014, 11:17 AM)

...you retaliate by being judgemental.

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still have flesh maaa... ok lah my excuse... also a message of hope so everybody can give testimonial regardless how many flesh you have

QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 23 2014, 11:17 AM)

You asking the HS but you don't have a base principal to rely on.
It shows when you think the HS will even go against his own principal as outlined in the Bible.

You have a baseless principal. When you do this you can use the word "the HS say so" for almost anything just to justify yourself.
It will be up to your whim and fancy. It's no longer about God but about justifying you and whatever you say.

That is pride.
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Your definition is not accepted. i defined pride as in Post #1397

QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 23 2014, 11:17 AM)

...You have a baseless principal...
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My principal works. Mr Zul no more annoying us. It's a breakthrough by GOD's grace.

Who cares about your bible knowledge if it's powerless ? People needs solutions, not knowledge


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post Dec 23 2014, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 23 2014, 12:00 PM)
Pride is about yourself and alevating yourself.
That was how Satan fell anyway, it was about him trying to elevate above God.

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Satan fell cuz he didn't gave glory to GOD. Satan stole it.

How many times i told everybody it's GOD's grace ? ok lah... i gave glory to GOD... satisfy ?

QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 23 2014, 12:00 PM)
Pride is about yourself and alevating yourself.
YOUR principal works.

and base on what you say above, you seem to hint;
it's no longer about the Bible or God, it's about you.
all about you.

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Why you ignore i wrote breakthrough by GOD's grace ? aiyoo... this is not fair lah UW... you made ppl think i steal GOD's glory. kindly note Post #1409 still not edited.
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post Dec 23 2014, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 23 2014, 12:22 PM)
No Satan wanted to be God. That was the problem.

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I don't want to be GOD.

I want to bring testimonial about GOD's grace.

It's obvious that you define pride as something including bragging about GOD's goodness.

QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 23 2014, 12:22 PM)

Yesterday and the day before, the whole counsel of friends in here are all in  agreement you are the one who is proud and is in error.
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Then all of you, UW, ngai, tina, luffy, sophie, and counsel of friends, have problem with your mindset right ?

you think i am prideful.
i think i bring testimony, a testimony that bring glory to GOD.

It's obvious that you define pride as something including bragging about GOD's goodness.

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post Dec 23 2014, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Dec 23 2014, 12:34 PM)
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When? About?

I still remember 16 years ago when I am not a disciple, the brother who studied the bible

He: Do you think you are proud or humble?
Me: I don't know. Think half half.
He: No, choose one.
Me: I think I am humble.
He: I think you are the most prideful person in the world. Who got people who is humble say that he is humble.
Me: [more sober] Yeah, true also.

Thinking back, i feel its quite hilarious also. But, on the serious note, actually all of us has our own pride to overcome. Realizing and acknowledge that it first steps. Because this is one area whereby usually other people can see clearer than us. When input comes to us, the response of a (just examples)..

prideful person: No la, we got. I am not like that one. Actually ah bla bla bla....or just counter-attack the other person...you bla bla bla...

humble person: [regardless you think it is true or not...] oh, thanks for pointing that out to me...I didn't realize that i am like this ... i will reflect more on it and pray about it... or [if you think it's true...] oh, thanks for point that out to me...yeah i think you are right...[if you have hurt another person..] sorry if i have offended you in this way...i will work on it...

Then there is this thing i call it 'spiritual pride'. Basically, this group of people, we just proud because they are 'more' spiritual than others and thus looking down on those 'less' spiritual. It is kinda related to being self-righteous. The group of people usually do more , serve more, perhaps leaders in the church. They feel that they are 'higher ranking christian' than many other 'normal' christian.

"I think" - this is also something i learned from a sermon by David Guzik. sometimes, it is better to use "I think" than being overly-confident of your own insights or opinions.

I dig back my old post and maybe this diagram can also help us to be aware and how temptation to be proud is related to our 'success'.

http://www.findingsteve.net/chart_diagram_pride.asp
Roman 12:3 - New International Version
For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought , but rather think of yourself with sober judgment , in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you.
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then how to differentiate between pride and bringing testimony about GOD's provision in your life ?

kindly note that i always bring glory to GOD. perhaps not explicitly, but implied most of the time to save time.

Again, if i don't bring glory of GOD's work in me, let me know.

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post Dec 23 2014, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Dec 23 2014, 01:41 PM)
Maybe you might want to separate it first. nod.gif

I know it hurts when input comes to us, but if we take it positively, it actually helps us to be a better person.

Last week, my church bro pull me aside and gave me input too. He told me that i tend to stare at people. It hurts but then I thanks him for bring it out to me. I totally didn't realize I did such thing.
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because of your post #1362, #1381 people think i don't bring testimonial of GOD's grace. at least tina conclude it Post #1394. it's you that start coin the word pride starting #1362, and people ignoring GOD's testimonial

see how damaging is your impact ?
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post Dec 23 2014, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Dec 23 2014, 08:31 AM)
We have organized a xmas party this 25/12. Anyone who is keen can PM ya.  icon_rolleyes.gif

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let me demonstrate you 2 mindset:

1. negative mindset:
aiyooo.. money2x again... why celebrate christmas ? why don't feed the poor. this is pride lahhh... are you showing of your church here ? humble lahh humble... do you know Christ died in the cross ? it demonstrate humility... therefore don't be a prideful person... look at the devil. he wanna be GOD so he become pride first...

2. positive mindset:
Alright brother... let's support this one in prayer. Celebrate Christmas and do it so our generation can remember who is Christ, and can focus on our reason here on this earth... as Christ here for a reason, you also here for a reason.

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I choose to support you with positive mindset bro...

it's alllllllllllllllllllllllll about minddddddddddddddddseettttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
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QUOTE(pehkay @ Dec 23 2014, 02:07 PM)
The "pride" that they refers to is not the mindset but rather your thinking that you are the hero, the strong one among the others. That, we who don't have "God's grace??" are wrong.
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that's your conclusion lah... let's wait until few ppl confirm your point of view.

QUOTE(pehkay @ Dec 23 2014, 02:07 PM)
Lol ... I think you are confused with the word mindset  sweat.gif ... it's good to have a positive mindset toward the Lord.
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so are you telling me this mindset below is wrong ?
aiyooo.. money2x again... why celebrate christmas ? why don't feed the poor. this is pride lahhh... are you showing of your church here ? humble lahh humble... do you know Christ died in the cross ? it demonstrate humility... therefore don't be a prideful person... look at the devil. he wanna be GOD so he become pride first...

fyi... that mindset is valid as well. people needs food. demonstration GOD's love to people in street during christmas is more important than celebrating Christmas in church... i just label it "negative mindset" cuz i decide it negative. It's right / valid but negative fyi..
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QUOTE(pehkay @ Dec 23 2014, 02:18 PM)
Do you see how you always swayed aside things that don't go along with you?
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Yes i know. just like you right.. ?

QUOTE(pehkay @ Dec 23 2014, 02:18 PM)

happy.gif .... did I say that other mindset is wrong? I only states that it's better to have a positive mindset towards God.

My point is that it is NOT about the mindset and its relation to "pride"

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 23 2014, 02:23 PM)
Satan thought to himself, He's better than God; or He thinks He knows better than God.
Same thing when I see your attitude boastfully telling me Bible knowledge is not as important but solution is more important.

Bible = Word of God = God Himself.

You're saying God is not important, Solution is more important.

I'm not saying you're Satan but you're falling into the same trap as how Satan fell.

I don't think you understand what is the real meaning of pride. Why don't you just check with the dictionary since you say you're not that good in English.

There are a few more examples of your pride.

1. Explained above
2. You think you're better than tinarhian
3. You think all of us are wrong in the mindset, you're the only who is right
4. Using God as leverage to convince Steve to clear your reputation. (This really takes the cake)

You cannot bring glory to God in pride. There's no such thing as OH it's to God's Glory even if I do it with self centred pride.
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whatever.... still powerless....
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 23 2014, 02:53 PM)
Bro, the Bible is the word and the truth of God.
It is our guiding principle to know who God is.

Christianity cannot be based on "whatever".
Even to help poor children or widow rather than to celebrate Christmas, what does the Bible say?

In the Book of Ecclesiastes, it says: There's a time for everything. (Ecclesiastes 3:1), ...There is a proper time and procedure for every matter.... (Ecclesiastes 8:6)

We cannot go in life and simply do things just because there are all kind of needs in this world.

Even When Judas mention this:

“Why wasn't this perfume sold and the money given to the poor? It was worth a year’s wages.

What was Jesus response?

"You will always have the poor among you, but you will not always have me.”
There. Do you think solution is more important than to know the truth?
Do you think Jesus do not know there are hunger, famine, people struck with critical illness, all kind of needs?
Here we have Jesus walking on Earth, This is the perfect time, why didn't he just zap and solve the world problem right away?
God could have done that if He wanted to. Think about it.

Man will always think short term solution, and Man in his pride will always think He is right.

Many people do not know if

They follow God's proper will, the solution will be better. Why? Because it is divine solution.
And how to know his will? The Bible is the foundation.
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Your understanding about bible is not enough.

GOD's grace removes Mr Jul from here.

History records that whatever GOD's grace you preach cannot remove him until i, come to throne of grace with:
1. my mindset about GOD's grace
2. my approach with GOD's grace
3. my teaching in regard to GOD's grace
4. my understanding about GOD's grace
5. my biblical knowledge about GOD's grace.

I know Jesus Christ something you don't know UW and i am sharing here so everybody can be a winner... like me.


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QUOTE(pehkay @ Dec 23 2014, 02:26 PM)
You just displayed what you are accusing me of ... sweat.gif

Well ... <back to lurking>
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i just copy from what you did to sylar111, when you disagree with him biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(laceruffles91 @ Dec 23 2014, 05:31 PM)
De1929 sounds like a crazy pentecostal.
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i am a businessman maaaa... not crazy pentecostal biggrin.gif ...

in business it's common to kill competitors, terminate employment, make up reasons, doing politics, doing "business entertainment", double bookeping, tax evasion, delay payments, advanced payments, hiding from debt collectors, pretending, fake promises.....

things that many pastors are not comfortable.

i didn't say i do all of them, but i didn't say i never do one of them... still call me crazy ? or you call me hypocrite ?



This post has been edited by de1929: Dec 23 2014, 05:53 PM
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QUOTE(laceruffles91 @ Dec 23 2014, 06:06 PM)
Crazy due to the fanatic and twisted approach. Pretty sure you are a pentecostal.
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actually pentecostal pastor oso don't agree with me 100% ... so how ?

i prefer you call me non denominational. But of course up to you.


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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Dec 23 2014, 06:18 PM)
i think shouldn't link someone with any denomination like pentecostal
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awww... you hurt aren't you... that's why don't judge ppl with pride / not pride, you reap what you sow ngai...
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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Dec 23 2014, 06:25 PM)
totally don't understand what you mean  doh.gif

Seem like my good intention to help you to see yourself has been seen as attack to you ya. And this is what you 'repay' back me. blaming me. attacking me back. hmm.gif

Alright, I am done with you  cool.gif
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QUOTE(laceruffles91 @ Dec 23 2014, 06:30 PM)
Well whether you are a pentecostal or not, you certainly aren't christ-like which drives people away from Christianity.
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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Dec 23 2014, 06:39 PM)
De1929, I think by now 99% or maybe 100% of the people in this forum see that you are on the obvious wrong track and continue on that path in spite of much correction n rebuke direct or indirectly. Hopefully you could 'wake up'.

To all, alright maybe we all move on n change next topic please biggrin.gif
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don't judge me pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee....
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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Dec 23 2014, 06:54 PM)
Pro 27: 5-6
Better is open rebuke than hidden love.

Wounds from a friend can be trusted, but an enemy multiplies kisses.

or you prefer to hear what you wish to hear?
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I KNOW YOU NICE biggrin.gif, confirmed.

but allow me to explain the way i see you.... my mindset... let's use allegory / example here:

----- allegory / example --------
You are a nice guy, who advise me to build my muscle and physical body, because in your life you know only walking and jogging.
Therefore from sunway to KL, based on your genuine mindset, who knows only walking / and jogging, you asked me to ... walk and run.
You told me it's good to run, it can save your time. Therefore if i can run longer, i can reach destination in shorter time.

unfortunately, my mindset is different. I know a technology called transportation. I have motorcycle, and cars. And yet best: i own a car rental business.

---- spiritual warfare ----

the whole forum know you are a genuine nice person. i can confirmed that. But unfortunately: primitive.

Ngai: I know spiritual warfare, thinks that you don't know. Spritual warfare is funded by GOD's grace, things that you don't comfortable. Yes.. + speaking in tongue... things that you don't want to hear...

In my eyes: christian that does not know spiritual warfare are: primitive.

you and fren here are fine, but malaysia needs Jesus... and it's spiritual warfare. Things that you and many fren here are... like i say: primitive.

Bible knowledge and spiritual warfare are 2 different things.

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thanks for your kindness Ngai, i can sense in spirit you are genuine... You honest with me, GOD bless U.

Now, since we are on 2 different mindset. Please don't ask me to build muscle, jog, or walking.... It's completely different way of thinking after all.





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