I recalled i discuss with sophiera long time ago about 1 point: The strong one wins...

it's not about right / wrong that matters. What matter is The strong one wins... Who do you think rule today ? the strong one or the correct one ?

People will naturally follow the strong one and yes, i have Christ so people will be blessed if they follow my advice. It is I, the overcomer by GOD's grace

Strong has many definition, like dice has 6 faces. So just let start with first one.

Strong is a condition of: Christ abundant favor is bestowed upon a guy or a church, regardless reason.

The favor is useful for many things. One of the reason is to resolve many problems in our lives. Or, to the next level, to help other ppl..... in recent context: to help church leader expand the church.

my favorite verse: be strong in GOD's grace.

have you resolved your unbeliever BF ?

sounds good. I hope many christian ppl can stay strong like you n me

If you talked about different ppl have different strong way, then everybody should ask HS (Holy Spirit) right ? what area to improve / to contribute... this theology (Ask HS) i oso kena...

I think... cuz the open minded are not as many as narrow minded ones... I am talking about headcount.

So 1 open minded like me + GOD's grace can simply win and convince 1,000,0000 closed minded ones, only by GOD's grace

Strong one wins. Basic survival law hehehe...

pray and breakthrough are 2 different things.

ha... the bible say i came to give you life and life abundantly... also bible say if you are in me and i am in you, ask and it shall be given to you..

therefore with proper mindset and steps, definitely i can expect GOD to give what i want, or else where is the abundance of being Christ followers ?

John 10:10: (New American Standard Bible )
"The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly.

John 15:7 (GOD'S WORD® Translation)
If you live in me and what I say lives in you, then ask for anything you want, and it will be yours.

Strategic Steps 2014

yeah... whatever...

1 Corinthians 10:23
New International Version
"I have the right to do anything," you say--but not everything is beneficial. "I have the right to do anything"--but not everything is constructive.

But many christian overcomplicate things.

Tina , i will comment about your post, after that really... it's up to you.

Look at the conclusion part:
1. He still in the seminary
2. He wrote: I wanted relief and I wanted more. But I knew that it wasn't true
3. He wrote I think I understand it. I think I have a relatively significant level of discernment.

My comment:
let's start with no 3.
The writer should aware that Jesus cannot do miracles in nazareth, because nazarene labels him carpenter son. the keyword is nazareth, the town. The bible is Matthew 13:54 - 58

this link to comment no 1: seminary.
In the seminary, the whole seminary population is against joel osteen, therefore the miracle didn't happen. As simple as that. seminary = nazareth for him.

that's why the writer struggle in point no 2:.
I wanted relief, and i wanted more, but.... it wasn't true.
The problem is the writer didn't aware that his surrounding decrease his faith at the end no miracle at all.

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my comment
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Jesus leave nazareth.

if you want to follow joel osteen teaching, go to church that has mindset like joel osteen, so your faith and church faith can bring miracles. I am an overcomer and champion... , that's because i leave my nazareth, and sacrifice my frenship with old church fren... i lost fren, but i got miracle / faith and more experience with Christ by joining other church

Identify your nazareth, and dump it

depends. some smaller churches may not be comfortable / trained to receive aliens / newcomers.

are you in selangor / KL ? i can recommend only few churches. In alphabetical order:
http://dumc.my/
http://www.calvary.org.my/
http://www.chc.org.my/

just walk in... enjoy the church, trust the message, let them brainwashed you (or else why going to church if you don't trust them ?), and ask more in this forum.

about placebo, are you agree with wiki here ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo

also, your post
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3363587

has 28 pages, for the first 3 pages i gave up try to find ur actual post, imho better ask the writer himself which ur explanation hehehehe

Bro,

Q: what are you trying to prove?
A: I try to prove that my teaching works, and it can be a blessing for somebody who wanna be overcomer like me.

Q: why are you recommending these mega churches?
A: so far these 3 churches aligned with my theology, and i found their system works well and good for malaysia.

Q: does smaller church does not welcome newcomers? i wondering where you get the idea from? if small church does not welcome new members how would they grows?
A: i wrote may.

Do you know that you sound afraid that small-church-members relocates to these 3 mega churches ?

Let me tell you some facts in indonesia.

In indonesia once 1980 - 1990 exist a lot of small peanut size churches with member 30 to 100 max. But they are not united and bring their own theology. Then after that born mega churches and members are leaving for big churches... it just people... they crave for more and more... You can't control people luffy... you can't.

If you love your small church, do something luffy... complaining and attacking me will not be beneficial.

ok, to simplify things, let's assume we agree on placebo effects definitions. if miscommunication happens, just highlight them and i will explain / justify. I also assumed you know nocebo effects, the twin evil of placebo effects.

placebo effects works but the question is... how to make it 2 things:
1. how to make it works for 20 million malaysian citizen ?
2. how to make it works until all problem resolved ?

there is only 1 answer. GOD's grace. GOD will give the christian abundant placebo effects, this is one way to see GOD's grace. The more placebo effects, more faith can be operated. But who supply continuous placebo effects ? only GOD can do that. Not medicine (anti depresant for example), not positive thinking (if you are poor eg.)

If 1 people has faith / pray for healing but surrounding him tells him that the reality is cancer is not cureable ? how can 1 placebo wins against 999999999 nocebo ? the answer cannot. the faith dies and people will conclude that GOD didn't answer prayer, or telling that Word of Faith movement is heresy.

placebo effects is GOD's grace.

I rather listen to HS than listen to you bro.... who gave me grace ? GOD's grace or Luffy's grace...

sophieeeee ... Darwin stole from Bible lahh the term only strong survive ... i can explain more if you want.

huh... didn't i ask you to join drink beer with me and my buddies ? the keyword is my buddies. My buddies supports me. Where are you know ? caregroup-less ? fighting with ur leader ?

Placeboo effects does not work under John Piper mindset. In short, i can't support John Piper teaching.