believer = disciples = Christian = saint?
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Nov 3 2014, 07:07 PM
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believer = disciples = Christian = saint?
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Nov 3 2014, 08:03 PM
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QUOTE(Decky @ Nov 3 2014, 08:09 PM) Yep! In many of Paul's epistles, he starts it by stating who the letter is for e.g. "To the saints in...." yeah some tot is different. ie they tot disciples is more committed ChristiansFrom that itself, we can understand whether the letter was written to a Christian audience or mixed audience or not. This post has been edited by ngaisteve1: Nov 3 2014, 08:04 PM |
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Nov 3 2014, 08:23 PM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 3 2014, 09:04 PM) Yes it's the sick that needs the doctor, but after the sick has been healed, the person is healed, you can't call him sick, that is not the truth. we won't fall into sin after we become a disciple?Even Jesus said: Go your Faith has made you well. Jesus declaring the person has been made well. He didn't call those who are made well as sick. Same thing with born again Christians. The Bible refer all of us as Saints. Either you're a sinner or a Saint, there's no in between. Yes Paul did mentioned He was a sinner. See below. He made it very clear. Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief. 14The grace of our Lord was poured out on me abundantly, along with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus. 15 Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners—of whom I am the worst. The phrase there "of whom I am the worst" is referring to a point in time, he was. Not now. He was once a blasphemer....once worse of sinner, but not anymore, why because he was made righteous through his Faith. As for Matthew 6, read it in context, you forgot to include the last line. Matthew 6: 14-15 (NIV) 14 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. In verse 14, the focus is on you. If you still harbour unforgiveness towards others, God the Father will not forgive you. That is the debt that the whole passage of Matthew 6 is talking about. Keyword "IF". If you have forgiven everyone, then you have no debts. This is the meaning. No, that's wrong theology. Since when God asks us to keep admitting we're sinner after you have been made righteous and cleansed of all sins? Acts 10:15 (NIV) - The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean." Hebrews 6:1 (NIV) - Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God, We need God's grace because: Romans 5:17 (NIV) - For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ! |
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Nov 3 2014, 09:52 PM
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Nov 3 2014, 09:27 PM) you will be tempted to sin by devil as God allowed it and at the same time God will provide a way out for you too Yes, temptation is always there and God will provide a way out. But when we choose to give in to temptation, this is where we fell into sin. The answer is yes, we will fall into sin after we become Christian. That's why we should confess our sin regularly. James 5: 16 v16 Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective. and 1 john 1: 8-10 v8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us. |
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Nov 3 2014, 10:40 PM
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Maybe Jeremiah 17: 9 - The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?
Maybe we can ask a few spiritually mature christian to get some input. If most said the similar input, then might need to re-check some blind spot |
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Nov 4 2014, 08:03 AM
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yeah when we notice the argument or debate become dead lock, it is better to drop it off. but then it can be hard due to ego inside us
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Nov 4 2014, 06:58 PM
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Don't know why someone in my company always 'attack' me and seem like wanted me to leave the company or my position so badly.
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Nov 5 2014, 12:40 AM
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Nov 5 2014, 12:44 AM
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Nov 5 2014, 01:34 AM) Yeah, Pastor Marvin didn't say "earn" it in that context but he did say "not everyone will repent and go to heaven". mine is pj too if you wanna drop by. seksyen19/1I found his sermons quite easy to understand and unlike other churches, he seems less "ego-testicle" (that's my own lingo BTW). But yeah let me check out all the churches in PJ first. So many to go to. |
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Nov 5 2014, 12:52 AM
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Nov 5 2014, 04:16 PM
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QUOTE(Decky @ Nov 5 2014, 05:12 PM) Short answer: It's a sin just like any other sin. Long answer: As a uni student, I must admit that this is one sin that turns off uni students the most. People my age would reason that God is unfair for not letting us express our love to someone we love or that "marriage is just a paper" or that christianity sexually oppresses people. I can confess that the church has far too long been trying to avoid the topic by making sex a taboo topic; but in reality, the bible talks about sex as if it's a gift from God, and it is! Except like all the gifts of God, the abuse of it (i.e. orgies, pornography etc.) is what the sin is. So the issue isn't sex being evil, but pre-marital sex being wrong. But then you have the other problem of us living in a sexualized culture: the pressure from the media + our hormones makes remaining pure in thought extremely hard. I used to think that women didn't struggle with sexual temptation but only men; I was wrong. But if anyone tries to imply that you're a bigger sinner than them for being involved in such things before (just speaking hypothetically here), I bet you that if you had a tape recording of their thoughts in the past few weeks, you'll see that they're not that big of a difference than you are. There are those who have fought temptation and conquered it, but these are the people who can empathize with you best and would care for you the most because they know just how hard it is to fight sin. Only someone who has fought temptation and overcome it would admit to it being hard to overcome. Hence, the best place to go to seek the most loving advice is to another person in the church of the same gender that is older and wiser than you are: 1 to 1 sessions will help. Of course, that's where finding a good church is important: many of the churches I've been to tend to sweep issues like these under the carpet: because to us asians it seems like a terrible topic to talk about. But this is dangerous because the power of sin is in it's secrecy. A church who thinks that sexual temptation is not an issue, who gossips about people who DO fall into such sin without loving them by trying to help is a unhealthy church. |
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Nov 5 2014, 10:31 PM
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Nov 5 2014, 11:16 PM) pehkay, many thanks. it reveals me the importance about balance. de, don't go overboard 'obsession' until psychology rosak balance ? hehehe... Malaysia need Jesus. How to balance Ourself ? 50:50 ? 70:30 ? 30:70 ? that's asking individual capacity... or maybe i 90:10 and wife 10:90 ? that's talking me n my wife altogether.... check HS ? Don't worry everybody... die..die still Christian, only matter of balance or not |
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Nov 5 2014, 11:31 PM
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canonization ma
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Nov 6 2014, 09:34 AM
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Nov 6 2014, 01:10 PM
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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Nov 6 2014, 01:27 PM) I have been receiving calls from companies almost twice per weak. Ya quite worry because no job secured/offer yet after this 2 months.I really wish I was in your position. Can get extra bonus money somemore. Unless, you are worried that no one is going to hire you right now. |
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Nov 7 2014, 05:40 PM
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Can consider install software like NetNanny
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Nov 8 2014, 09:48 AM
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fasting can be also not just food. can fast things like Facebook, internet, cili, chocolate
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Nov 8 2014, 05:18 PM
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Nov 8 2014, 02:34 PM) The root is our mind you magneto? :-DI already wearing Christ mind 1 Corinthians 2:16 for, "Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ. The mind of Christ revealed steps, and those steps are shared here in lowyat forum. Fahmy i already overcome my flesh. I didn't say imune, but i manage to control it. The keyword is control. Is that necessary those training like u say ? |
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Nov 8 2014, 09:12 PM
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today my first day diploma class.
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Nov 9 2014, 01:54 PM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 9 2014, 01:46 PM) Actually none of us are immune to lust, For me If I say that I am immune to it and I'm able to overcome it or even control it, I would be lying to myself. diploma in nutrition and diet. so many info to absorb. peningBut how is it, that the desire to see pornography isn't there anymore in my life? It's the work of the Holy Spirit that removed that wrong desire and empowered me, even when no one is watching. All of him, none of me or mine. I think what is the right thing to do is to agree that first of all, that Jesus is the one who saved us and made us righteous (even in the midst of such temptation), we can't save ourselves, that lust is wrong and admit before God we don't have the strength to stand against it. I believe God honours that simple and honest prayer. What has worked in my life, will work for anyone. God is a respector of no one. What has worked for dee, also works. It's equally real but If I am to admit that I'm able to control it because of my strength, by the same token, if I fall due to the failure of my strength, I will be condemned by my heart because it's about my strength. I failed because of me. That is what the Law of the OT all about. But If I failed despite already praying and trusting God, that puts me under Grace. And the Bible promised those under grace, will reigned in life and the power to sin will lose it hold. It will take time but let's be patience about it. What class is that? |
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