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post Dec 1 2014, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Dec 1 2014, 04:26 PM)
bribe corrupts the heart, so be carefull when we exercise our freedon with excuse of: everything is permissible.
same with James bond with license to kill, you reap what you sow. occupational hazard. with this kind of job, don't expect somebody will not shoot you with sniper riffle. but, it does not means GOD does not want to have good relationship with James Bond.

When i wrote giving bribe is okay, but receiving is sin... it's my personal preference to be honest... it's not right, but still if i want to receive / give bribing, i should check with HS.

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Is it right to save one's life while corrupting another?
Does 2 wrongs makes a right justified?

depends... what is my role and what HS told me.

If i am a policeman, and Mr A does speeding. What will i do ? after I, the policeman, stop Mr A, the policeman realize that Mr A wife is about to deliver the baby. Therefore Mr A does speeding to go to hospital ASAP.

by under police authorithy, i can focus on the law disregard the fact that Mr A's wife is about to deliver the baby.

If HS told me to fine him, i will fine him. Regardles Mr A pregnancy condition. I believe HS can preserve Mr A's wife pregnancy condition.
If HS told me to release him, i will release him, which display a humanity acts of kindness. Police supervisor may or maynot agree with me or i may have problem / question by supervisor.

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back to pastor / officer heart, how much corruption act can corrupt pastor / officer ?

i don't know, but what i know, GOD's in control. Don't worry about things that is not in my "job scope"... GOD's in control it does not mean those heart are becoming more corrupted / less corrupted... It is simply say that GOD's in control. I do what i have to do.

If i am the pastor, and i have to care about officer heart... HS will not ask me obviously right ?
If i am the pastor, and i am focusing on saving that kids' live.... obviously HS will ask me to bribe the officer right ?

at the end, HS just simply find whose pastor wanna bribe the officers to save the kid. HE found one. Bill wilson.
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Will u confused with 'checking with HS' vs your own emotion?
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post Dec 3 2014, 03:44 PM

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ya good intention shouldn't justify the committed wrong-doing (sin). Like some said, white lie is okay but lie still lie oh. Another one is Robin Hood's idea: "robbing from the rich and giving to the poor" biggrin.gif

I guess in certain difficult situation, gotta submit to God's will. Maybe God forsee that child is going to suffer more if that child is alive after cured.

The only thing when we gotta go against the nation law is when the law stop us to worship God or become a Christian. Aka persecution. Maybe that time gotta form under-ground church or migrate to another country liao.

But after thinking de1929's tot, i was reminded also the purpose of the God's law / commandment. Yeah merely just follow and obey can leads to legalism. Need to go back to the origin purpose why God set these commandment. Example, during OT, God forbid on eating pork. If didn't know the origin purpose, we remain follow and obey. But if know it, we realize that the origin purpose is health concern. Those days, the pigs eats anything and thus carries much diseases and there isn't much health awareness on how to prepare/cook it in those days too.

In this modern generation, food industry was governed by the health ministry bodies (in certain extend) and thus 'safer' to eat it.
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post Dec 4 2014, 05:08 PM

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de1929, trust God and surrender to God's will. The child's life is in God's hand and control. If God want the child to live longer, He will provide the way but not the bribe way lo for sure.
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post Dec 5 2014, 04:47 PM

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Any plan during this year Xmas? Xmas party?
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post Dec 5 2014, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 5 2014, 05:52 PM)
Come to Calvary Church near Bukit Jalil, 25 Dec 9AM, we have Christmas musical.
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Nice. Speak in tongue? biggrin.gif
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post Dec 5 2014, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 5 2014, 05:58 PM)
Come and experience with us lah.

It will be a time of worship with so many Christians, hopefully all the seats are filled up.
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Free admission? Maybe can come just for the musical to look see if got kaki go together.
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post Dec 8 2014, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 8 2014, 12:30 AM)
Every sermon can be great if we're humble enough to listen.
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UW, do you preaching on Sunday service also?
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post Dec 8 2014, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 8 2014, 11:30 AM)
No lah, bro. Wah don't look so highly on me man, I'm not ready for platform ministry.
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Maybe next year promoted to preach on stage. laugh.gif
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post Dec 10 2014, 07:54 AM

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Enjoy the new, fresh & original Christian song & music by Sally DeFord & friends. Free to download for personal use - www.defordmusic.com
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post Dec 13 2014, 01:07 AM

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QUOTE(amosai @ Dec 13 2014, 12:03 AM)

I am a second generation Christian. =). I've been a part of worship teams where the pastors themselves are trying to create a smooth flow for the Holy Spirit to flow. There's nothing wrong with that but I somehow feel it's manipulative to manipulate the environment in such a way (although I know that they are out of good intention). I've felt so many "emotional kicks" during worship that I feel it's just the music that makes us behave and feel something special but is not presence of God to me.
second generation christian? hmm.gif
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post Dec 15 2014, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(General Fahmy @ Dec 15 2014, 02:38 PM)
Very far la.

I can't reveal where I stay by the way.
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Mine is Seksyen 19, PJ if you want to drop by. Sunday 10.30am.
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post Dec 15 2014, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(General Fahmy @ Dec 15 2014, 03:23 PM)
Oh no, Glad Tidings?
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no la, Central Christian Church of Malaysia. Non-denomination church.
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post Dec 15 2014, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(General Fahmy @ Dec 15 2014, 05:40 PM)
small church, afterward you know who I am.
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about 400 members. why so scared? we don't eat ppl what biggrin.gif

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post Dec 17 2014, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(annoymous1234 @ Dec 16 2014, 12:53 PM)
just asking. my church is againts christmas celebration.  sweat.gif
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Why your church against christmas celebration?
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post Dec 17 2014, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(annoymous1234 @ Dec 17 2014, 03:22 PM)
Actually from what I understand from the members is that Christmas is a pagan beliefs. There are no proved or anything in the bible that Jesus was born on that day, and that the bible never said anything that we should celebrate his birth, that's what I've been told lah..
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I do agree that we can distracted by man-made things like Santa Clause or compel to buy xmas present tradition during xmas laugh.gif
But with the right perspective, I don't see anything wrong to celebrate Christian by giving and receiving (can be not just in gifts form but other form), makan, remember Jesus. In fact, we can do so any day but dedicate that day to make it special i guess.
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post Dec 19 2014, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 19 2014, 11:20 AM)
You know guys?

The Lord Jesus loves all of you in here.

And you know that is the most important thing in the world.

* Focus on that, instead of arguing.
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and the greatest commandment smile.gif thumbup.gif
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post Dec 19 2014, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(General Fahmy @ Dec 19 2014, 02:51 PM)
Expect what in return? If you expect God to give you your wants, you going to be disappointed. Becuase most of the time your wants are not align to what God wants for you, understand.

If you think like this, its a dangerous mindset expecting something from God in return for serving him.

We're all human though, we will expect something in return, but if you ideologically think you want something back because you are serving at church or doing good stuff back at people, you're going to be disappointed.

Eg, when you serve at church expecting your lead pastor to pat you at the back telling you doing a great job, you be disappointed because he hasn't got the time to say so, or maybe he's forgotten or there r just too many church workers under him for him to know exactly what every one of you is doing. You do your portion and serve the best, pleasing and glorifying God is what you get in return.
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I think for man, we shouldn't expect much. because sometimes the more we expect, the more disappointment at the end.

But for God, we can expect but like what u said, not our "wants" . But this kind of expect is more on having faith in God that he *can* make it happen.
Psalms 5: 3 (NIV) - In the morning, LORD, you hear my voice; in the morning I lay my requests before you and wait expectantly.
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post Dec 20 2014, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(ncys1 @ Dec 20 2014, 12:24 AM)
Random question being thrown here, but it's to satisfy a curiosity of mine. Is traditional Chinese medicine compatible with Christianity? In a sense, is it possible to go seek treatment without anything against the conscience?
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Yes, I am taking traditional chinese medicine (TCM) herbs. nod.gif

Need to difference between TCM vs Toasim though.
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post Dec 20 2014, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(ncys1 @ Dec 20 2014, 10:22 AM)
From what I gather, the herbal and physical components of traditional Chinese medicine should cause no concern. Although I do know some TCM doctors incorporate some form of Buddhist thought or Taoist thought into their treatments. I approach those with a grain of salt though.
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Yes, I think one core principle TCM uses is 'balance' which is related to Taoism Yin Yang. But indeed our body has to be in 'balance' mode to be health. Just focus on medical side and remind ourselves not to get carried away of our faith. But good concern. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Eph 6: The Armor of God
10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

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