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post Jan 10 2015, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Jan 10 2015, 11:31 PM)
You're right. The oil company he works for did provide him a Nissan Amera car. Oil company lots of $$$
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You can get an Audi R8 Spyder 2015 in Germany for Euro 120K.

A second hand Audi TT Coupe 2010 is selling for Euro 18K.

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post Jan 10 2015, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jan 10 2015, 11:52 PM)
Pity the snake.
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The serpent deserved it, after all it tricked Eve. tongue.gif
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post Jan 11 2015, 08:36 PM

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Matthew 6: 19 - 34

"Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. 22 "The eye is the lamp of the body. So, if your eye is healthy, your whole body will be full of light, 23 but if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light in you is darkness, how great is the darkness! 24 "No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money. 25 "Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? 27 And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life? 28 And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin, 29 yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? 31 Therefore do not be anxious, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?' 32 For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you. 34 "Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble."

So yeah, I do not want to be anxious and worry about my finance, because I know God is in control.

1 Timothy 6:9, "Those who desire to be rich fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction."

Its not wrong to become rich and successful, its only wrong if we worship money instead of God. Its wrong if we plot evil ways to gain wealth. To kill, to cheat, to steal, etc just for the sake of getting more money. God knows about our need of money. He will give it to us. He only asks that we seek first the kingdom of God. God blessed Job after testing his faith. God blessed Solomon with wealth and wisdom too.

Having more money does not guarantee us happiness, it will bring despair... So, whether I will buy the RM2 million property is not of any importance. A RM350K property in Sarawak will do too. Heck, properties in East Malaysia are much cheaper compared to KL.

Instead of accumulating so much wealth, we ought to help other people in need, especially smaller churches, to aid missionaries, etc.

I'm happy that God loves us all and blessed us with enough.

Thank you God for your blessing, mercy and protection over us. Without your grace, we are nothing.
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post Jan 11 2015, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jan 11 2015, 10:59 PM)
Your first devotion here?  biggrin.gif
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Of course not.
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post Jan 11 2015, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jan 11 2015, 11:14 PM)
Well, it's the first one that I notice where everything you wrote spoke to my heart, it's scriptural.
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OIC. I've been listening to Ps. John Piper's sermons. Felt inspired.
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post Jan 11 2015, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(woonsc @ Jan 11 2015, 10:06 PM)
Hello! <3 Jesus Loves ME, You, EVERYONE!
haha.. i just found out this thread, will track it..
AM from Calvary in Sabah.. God Bless!<3
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Welcome dude.
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post Jan 12 2015, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(woonsc @ Jan 11 2015, 11:03 PM)
cry.gif  cry.gif  I love finances, but ain't an idol to me.. just living frugally..

I might need prayer, as no matter how i tried to follow a bible plan to study and meditate on the word of God, somehow I would forget it.. :S
either distracted or something important come out, how can i solve this?
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Pray steadfastly. Focusing too much on worldly things such as money is idolatry.

You can't love both God and money. Its a sin.

Like you said, "God loves you, me and everyone."

He knows we need money, that's why he's providing enough for us to live upon. God won't bless us if we are focusing our attention away from Him.

Seek Him first, then all will be well.

We cannot escape from sin, that's why we need to constantly repent and seek guidance. Pray so that the Holy Spirit will strengthen our resolve.
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post Jan 12 2015, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jan 12 2015, 09:44 AM)
Bible Devotions with UW

Can we purify ourselves?
Good Morning Friends or Night by the time you read this.

I must confess I am troubled whenever I see erroneous teaching methods use to pass on the word of God to Believers. Not to say He is teaching heresy or false (it is not that). It is from the right foundation but the wrong type of words in meaning is wrongly used.

One of the common mistakes that most preacher makes is to take Old Covenant way and to integrate or mix into the New Covenant Life.

Jesus says we cannot pour new wine and pour it into old wineskins because the wineskin will burst. (Matthew 9:17) And it is also true for vice versa.
Jesus was referring to mixing up Law and Grace. Old Covenant mixing with New Covenant. You cannot mix both, Jesus himself says it will burst!

So what is my angst about?

The term purifying ourselves most likely taken from 1 John 1:9 where it says: If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
In the Old Covenant, YES it is valid, you need to purify yourself because our righteousness depends on our effort or works.

In the New Covenant It CANNOT BE because the Bible is very clear it is the works of God that purify us and saves us.
In Philippians 3:9 it says:

not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ--the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith.

Do you realize in most Churches today, When it comes to the matter of Salvation, Righteousness, Cleansing and Holiness there's hardly much preaching, expounding about the work of Christ or preaching everything about Christ? Think about it. It's mostly about us, what should we, what not to do, what not to grieve. If you see it, that sort of righteousness comes from the Law.
A lot of focus is put on us rather than on God. There is no power in of ourselves but there is power when the focus is on the Almighty God.

but Question is who is purifying who? So whenever a preachers says: Purify yourself, People might think Wow I can purify myself through my confession of sins and repent.
Anyway the term purify ourselves is not what the Bible teaches in the New Covenant. Even in the Old Testament, God was preparing the way of Salvation by giving us hints.

Isaiah 43:25 - "I, even I, am he who blots out your transgressions, for my own sake, and remembers your sins no more."

And Titus makes it  very clear, it is the work of God that purify us.

Titus 2:14 - who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.
1 Peter 1:18 says it like this: For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your ancestors,
and 1 John 1:7 says it like this: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.

All these speaks about God and his work or more accurately the Blood of Christ that was sacrifice as the one who purify us. It is the work of Christ.

Being purified, cleansed, made Holy and Saved is a gift of God that we need to receive. That is why the Bible explicitly says it by the Grace of God. Something that is not owed to us like salary where the employer of the company must give because we work for it.

We need to receive this by Faith. We cannot be righteous by our conduct, no matter what we do. So how do we become righteous? By Receiving the gift of Salvation from God by Faith. Faith is credited to us as righteousness.

We are not sinners because we sin. We are sinners because we inherited Adam's sin. Therefore that stain or corruption pass on causes us to sin and likewise Christ did not become Sin because He sin. He became Sin by receiving our Sin at the cross. The Bible say In Him there is No Sin, He knew No Sin and He did No Sin. So how did Christ become Sin? He receive all our Sins at the Cross. The Divine Exchange.

We receive Christ Gift of Righteousness by Faith, Christ receive our sin at the cross through his Finished Work. We cannot purify ourselves, we must remember where to put our Faith correctly which is in Christ and Christ alone, never in our confession or even repentance because having focusing on that is going back to the Old Covenant which the Bible calls a Ministry of Death.

God Bless.
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So scripturally correct.
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post Jan 12 2015, 10:32 PM

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UW,

But how do you tell others, especially other churches, who practiced wrong doctrines? How do you convince them that?
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post Jan 12 2015, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jan 12 2015, 10:36 PM)
We can't force people Tina, It's the Job of the HS to illuminate his word to each believer.

We just deliver as whatever wisdom is given and enabled by the spirit.
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Paul did warned Christians regarding false teachers right?
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post Jan 12 2015, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jan 12 2015, 10:56 PM)
Yes He did but look at the context of the warning.

1 Timothy 1:3-4

3 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain people not to teach false doctrines any longer 4 or to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. Such things promote controversial speculations rather than advancing God’s work—which is by faith.

We cannot simply flail the word False Teacher or False prophet according to our whim and fancy, should follow scripture meaning.

Here as above you can see it talks about
"which is by Faith"

Anything that is not by Faith according to this verse is False Teaching.
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Yeah, now when I read Bible again, the word "faith" really struck a chord with me.

If we can't flail the false teachers, can we kick him in the nuts instead?
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post Jan 12 2015, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jan 12 2015, 11:05 PM)
LOL, we all want to.

But here is where we have to exhibit patience. The work of the gospel is all of God.

We don't have to get upset or angry if people disagree. Commit it to God and let God handle and deal with the person.

I've seen with my own eyes this has happen many times.

The Battle is the Lord's.

God wants us to be in peace and in Joy. So Let us be at peace and do our own thing. Not worth to get wrinkles right?  wink.gif

Maybe you can say it's kind of very uncaring not to care.
I rather be uncaring not to care rather than go into arguments where everybody's emotion is upset.
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I guess you can't argue with God. God will seek vengeance for you...from Romans or something.

I just wish I can kick somebody nuts or something...
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post Jan 13 2015, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jan 13 2015, 08:11 AM)
you can't

they exist as part of church growth. soon or later somebody will replace my teaching / UW teachings with better teachings... or, we adopt the new teachings and our color changes

earlier we build low-rise building.

then after apartment completes, we enjoy our increase / blessing.

but that's not enough.... GOD's want to build higher building... so what to do ? old apartment must be demolished, ground re-engingeered for higher rise building... then new construction come... the tower crane come...

imagine tower crane below...

of course "narrow minded civilian" will complain why invest in cranes... we want to build high rise building like below....

and teachers / does have excuse .... GOD's plan sometimes it's not according to our plan... biggrin.gif

-------------- before 2015 ------------

the low rise building are... traditional churches
the new rise building are .... pentecostal churches

the crane... it's the teaching / tool to help build

------------ after 2015 and beyond ------

now i see things coming...

the low rise building are... pentecostal churches
the new rise building are .... traditional churches that speaking in tongue... / pentecostal churches that become almost similar to traditional ones

---- your question about fake teachers ---
they exist cuz growth is multiple steps processes. at GOD's appointed time, the teachings will diminished. The crane has to be removed. But at another place, another crane with different technical specs exist to cater... advanced construction

imagine how GOD's work biggrin.gif
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I understand UW's teaching, but yours....hehehe.... no comment....

You know I'm from the construction industry...

For example, some low cost houses in Germany uses REXWALL, an energy saving composite material and cheap.

Benefits:-

water proof
maintain free
hurricane safe
stabile/flexible
own buoyancy
earthquake safe
long-term material
low energy isolation
no cracking fissuration
termite infestation free
fire safety - optional
bulletproof - optional
chemically harmless

Not only that, its endurance is over 50 years which are not found on other materials.

Now, we moved over to high rise buildings.

Did you know that high rise buildings frameworks can be built without crane and design floor modules can be fabricated in a factory in order to save time, costs and CO2 emissions?

For example, the Burj Khalifa. The slab formwork is entirely crane-independent and is moved by hand, the system is predestined for high-rise and large-area slab works where crane time is limited or not available.

Its 100% wood-free, all-plastic facing alkus too.

Ok, ok back to you. Why must the new rise building be Pentecostal? hmm.gif

The architect are the "teachers" that plan and design the building.

The crane is merely the tool used by the construction workers (us).
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post Jan 13 2015, 11:04 PM

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We don't live in a perfect world, whereby both partners are virgins.

Just like what the Bible teach, salvation and forgiveness are given to us by grace.

Ephesians 2:8-9

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.


2 Corinthians 5:17

17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

Ephesians 2:1–5


2 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience 3 among whom we all once lived in othe passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ by grace you have been saved.

A man who is seeking to be the man God wants him to be will be able to help his wife be the woman God desires her to be and, despite their pasts, they will be able to build their marriage into a God-honoring union that delights them both.



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post Jan 14 2015, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jan 13 2015, 11:57 PM)
yes but cannot marry in church right coz church is holy?
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IF church is so Holy, then nobody can get married because ALL are sinners. Sexual sins are the same with other sins as well, ie, lying, cheating, killing, stealing, etc.

Who among us is without sin and can “cast the first stone”? Before coming to Christ, each of us is “dead in transgressions and sins” and is made alive only by God’s grace.

Matthew 6:14–15

14 For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, 15 but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.


QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jan 13 2015, 11:59 PM)
low cost = 50 years? must be more expensive than malaysian built pre clay right? I thought wood is cheaper?
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I'm talking about composite materials la. Pre clay? Why talked about red bricks?

If you compare by using foreign exchange, sure.

If you compare by buying power, its more or less the same.

Sure wood is cheaper, but why use wood when you have better quality materials?

That's what I don't understand about Malaysian construction industry, use cheap low quality materials but maximise profits. doh.gif

Germans built to last, but of course how to compete with Asians who always like to focus on "build fast and earn more profits?"

QUOTE(de1929 @ Jan 14 2015, 10:04 AM)
it's an allegory.

new technology always improves from older one.

The allegory is: Pentecostal is new technology. Traditional churches is traditional.

-- new rise building ? --

new rise building requires more advanced technology compared to single story building for example. Just lay-man example ok biggrin.gif....
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You can just use simpler terms la...

Every time you like to mentioned "Pentecostal"....Why don't use Baptist next time?

QUOTE(Piros @ Jan 14 2015, 06:06 PM)
Bible is the only authority at every time of age! It is relevant and is the authority back then, today, and in the future. Get this into your skull.

You are incorporating nonsense and making sin look like it is some small thing to be brush aside. Sin is still sin whether he/she is a believer or a non believer, both deserved to be condemned eternally to hell. Only the grace of God saves sinners through Jesus Christ.

You don't have solutions! You can't even save yourself! Only Christ have and can save sinners!

How about you start studying the bible, instead of coming up with what you think is right or relevant or logical!

Who are you!? Seriously! That you belittling God's word?
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He's the Resident Einstein over here..
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post Jan 14 2015, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jan 14 2015, 10:42 PM)
that writings makes HS so happy. Good job.
cuz they are different. so much different.
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How different? Can non virgins get married in your church? hehehe...

I know Pentecostal churches emphasized a lot on the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
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post Jan 14 2015, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jan 14 2015, 11:04 PM)
anytime babeh... we ignore your past, but we have pre marital course that you n your spouse must attend so as a pastor i can put blessing on you.

I cannot give blessing to alien, who simply come to our church and ask married me in 5 seconds or else we leave... hahaha...
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Of course not! Surely one must be a member of that church la.

In Germany there's a lot of mail order brides from Russia. laugh.gif shakehead.gif doh.gif


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post Jan 15 2015, 08:04 PM

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Bill Wilson again? I thought we already discussed about this topic.

Come on de1929...don't you have any other things to talk about? Like how you become a Christian? How's Indonesian churches compared to Malaysian churches..

You know things like that. I don't to listen about Bill Wilson again.
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post Jan 17 2015, 12:34 AM

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Maybe you all need to speak to de1929 in Indonesian, then he understand... laugh.gif

Gua bisa bicara Indonesia dong. Lyn Kristian forum pasti jadi sepi, sunyi, etc...kalo tiada de1929. laugh.gif

Pokoknya Tuhan Yesus sayang sama semua. Aku amat bahagia karena Tuhan Yesus menerima ku.

Lo, de1929 bisa ngomong Inggris? Masa gue kecil, gue pilih teman2 yang bisa bicara Inggris.

Dari situlah gua belajar Inggris...Enggak susah belajar Inggris.




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post Jan 17 2015, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jan 16 2015, 03:53 PM)
rest be assured, one ... one of my job is to win soul, and park in church....

question: what church... so far only 3 i know in malaysia.. DUMC, CHCKL or calvary church....

is that secure enough for you ?
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How long have you been in Malaysia? You only know these 3 churches?



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