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post Apr 12 2020, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(Convael @ Apr 11 2020, 11:34 PM)
It doesn't , none of the GX800 variant has local dimming .
What you are noticing has nothing to do with local dimming but the backlight system of the TV .

This is an edge-lit TV , which tend to demonstrate many of the flaws you mentioned above in a dim/dark viewing room . Also the fact that it has an IPS screen (which means it has a poor contrast ) doesn't help either .
IPS TV are typically recommended in a decently lit room because human eyes can hardly notice the changes on black level when there are ambient light sources around .
There are several new Full Array Local Dimming TV models landing in Malaysia this year , ranging from the very anticipated Sony X90H to Samsung's Q80T and Q95T  , all models will be available from size 55 " and above for the first time in MY.
I predict there will be a significant price drop compare to last year .
They are both mid-range TV , except Samsung likes to overhype on their Quantum Dots displays when they can barely utilize its benefits .
The GX800 is compatible with Dolby Vision though so that is a plus .

The 49" Q60R is also kind of crappy since it was downgraded to 60 hz .
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bro do you own this tv? how is the performance of this tv and it is still need android box such as himedia to give high performance for 4k movies?
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QUOTE(shebbycs @ Apr 12 2020, 02:47 PM)
How is this tv performance for 4k movies, it is still need android box like Himedia?

May I know this tv is what energy stars ratings  4 or 5?

Is this tv can same performance like sony x70 or x80 series?
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1) GX800 is Smart TV therefore, apps is limited to their own. If you're happy with just Netflix, Youtube and Amazon Prime videos, then you dont need Android box. If you're looking into having tons of apps and games, u need to buy a separate android box. Do you use AV receiver?

2) The tv has 5 energy star rating.

3) I u ask about performance, all TV brands in their same range should perform the same. It comes to whether you like smart tv or android tv, the HDMI spec and sound system. Picture quality are all very subjective. we can spend a lifetime arguing about picture quality and in the end, nobody wins. Its best to go to electronic store and see it for yourself. thats what i would do. If you want to get down to the technical part, then you need to ask a specific question like if this tv good for gaming/movies, IPS or VA is better, OLED and QLED, dolby vision/atmos etc then maybe somebody here can help. whats your budget though?

Soon the GX800 will be replaced by HX800. Its worth the wait I hope.

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post Apr 12 2020, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(sadaniel @ Apr 12 2020, 03:13 PM)
1) GX800 is Smart TV therefore, apps is limited to their own. If you're happy with just Netflix, Youtube and Amazon Prime videos, then you dont need Android box. If you're looking into having tons of apps and games, u need to buy a separate android box. Do you use AV receiver?

2) The tv has 5 energy star rating.

3) I u ask about performance, all TV brands in their same range should perform the same. It comes to whether you like smart tv or android tv, the HDMI spec and sound system. Picture quality are all very subjective. we can spend a lifetime arguing about picture quality and in the end, nobody wins. Its best to go to electronic store and see it for yourself. thats what i would do. If you want to get down to the technical part, then you need to ask a specific question like if this tv good for gaming/movies, IPS or VA is better, OLED  and QLED, dolby vision/atmos etc then maybe somebody here can help. whats your budget though?

Soon the GX800 will be replaced by HX800. Its worth the wait I hope.
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1) Actually not yet buy the tv first plan to buy Sharp BK1X but somehow i found this panasonic tv got this dolby vision/atmos and also got usb 3.0?????

3) When you bought this tv, how many years in the warranty and support? till now did you got any problem using tv in term any broken parts? How many inch is this tv you bought?
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QUOTE(shebbycs @ Apr 12 2020, 03:22 PM)
1) Actually not yet buy the tv first plan to buy Sharp BK1X but somehow i found this panasonic tv got this dolby vision/atmos and also got usb 3.0?????

3) When you bought this tv, how many years in the warranty and support? till now did you got any problem using tv in term any broken parts? How many inch is this tv you bought?
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1) Dolby Vision definitely improves picture quality but only if you watch Blu-Ray disc, Netflix and Amazon prime. If you download your movies, then you won't get Dolby Vision. As for Atmos, to fully experience it, you need to connect your TV to a soundbar or AV receiver that supports it. The TV speaker wont be enough.

3) Its 2 year warranty i think. ive been using it for just over 2 weeks. No problem with the TV so far but im bothered by the uneven backlight or light leaks. But this can varies between devices. if its gets worse, ill call up panasonic if they can do anything about it. My philips last time has the same problem, they came by my house with 1-1 replacement rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(sadaniel @ Apr 12 2020, 03:35 PM)
1) Dolby Vision definitely improves picture quality but only if you watch Blu-Ray disc, Netflix and Amazon prime. If you download your movies, then you won't get Dolby Vision. As for Atmos, to fully experience it, you need to connect your TV to a soundbar or AV receiver that supports it. The TV speaker wont be enough.

3) Its 2 year warranty i think. ive been using it for just over 2 weeks. No problem with the TV so far but im bothered by the uneven backlight or light leaks. But this can varies between devices. if its gets worse, ill call up panasonic if they can do anything about it. My philips last time has the same problem, they came by my house with 1-1 replacement  rclxm9.gif
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1) may i know why u said when i downlaod movies cannot get dolby vision?

3) oooh u recently bought this tv smile.gif may I know what is the mean of "uneven backlight or light leaks" can you give the screenshot smile.gif
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post Apr 12 2020, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(shebbycs @ Apr 12 2020, 03:39 PM)
1) may i know why u said when i downlaod movies cannot get dolby vision?

3) oooh u recently bought this tv smile.gif may I know what is the mean of "uneven backlight or light leaks" can you give the screenshot smile.gif
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1) if im not mistaken, Dolby Vision movies are copy protected and no one has been able to crack from either netflix or blu-ray. thats why you dont see dolby vision movies in torrents. there are lots of HDR movies though.

2) Below is just a sample. not mine. Some manufacturers consider certain level of light bleed/leaks acceptable because LED TV is not meant to be watched in the dark. You can actually truly enjoy this TV in normal lighting condition. So after you buy this TV, keeps the lights on, keep the windows open, and enjoy icon_idea.gif

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QUOTE(sadaniel @ Apr 12 2020, 04:06 PM)
1) if im not mistaken, Dolby Vision movies are copy protected and no one has been able to crack from either netflix or blu-ray. thats why you dont see dolby vision movies in torrents. there are lots of HDR movies though.

2) Below is just a sample. not mine. Some manufacturers consider certain level of light bleed/leaks acceptable because LED TV is not meant to be watched in the dark. You can actually truly enjoy this TV in normal lighting condition. So after you buy this TV, keeps the lights on, keep the windows open, and enjoy  icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(sadaniel @ Apr 12 2020, 04:06 PM)
1) if im not mistaken, Dolby Vision movies are copy protected and no one has been able to crack from either netflix or blu-ray. thats why you dont see dolby vision movies in torrents. there are lots of HDR movies though.

2) Below is just a sample. not mine. Some manufacturers consider certain level of light bleed/leaks acceptable because LED TV is not meant to be watched in the dark. You can actually truly enjoy this TV in normal lighting condition. So after you buy this TV, keeps the lights on, keep the windows open, and enjoy  icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(shebbycs @ Apr 12 2020, 05:11 PM)
what is your tv inch?
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I have the 55 inch. U might want to consider gx740. It has the same specs but has a different LCD panel and it's wayy cheaper. I don't think it matters too much to normal consumers. Under normal viewing condition, they should be about the same.

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QUOTE(sadaniel @ Apr 12 2020, 05:33 PM)
I have the 55 inch. U might want to consider gx740. It has the same specs but has a different LCD panel and it's wayy cheaper. I don't think it matters too much to normal consumers. Under normal viewing condition, they should be about the same.
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bro what different between gx740 and gx800 and what u mean for normal consumer???????????/ smile.gif

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QUOTE(shebbycs @ Apr 12 2020, 06:35 PM)
bro what different between gx740 and gx800 and what u mean for normal consumer???????????/ smile.gif
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Haha didnt mean to offend you. By normal consumer I meant some consumer they are not bothered much by the technical aspect of a TV as long as the TV is good enough to watch under normal circumstances.

But if you have to ask what's the difference, the panel on the GX800 is brighter than the GX740. In the official spec from the website, the GX800 has Super Bright Panel Plus whereas GX740 has Super Bright Panel (not plus).

This simply mean the GX800 has brighter panel and produce great picture quality even under bright lit room. But not to say the GX740 is terrible, just the GX800 performs better. I hope this helps smile.gif
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post Apr 12 2020, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(shebbycs @ Apr 12 2020, 03:39 PM)
1) may i know why u said when i downlaod movies cannot get dolby vision?

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Dolby Vision is separately on HEVC 2 layer and currently no DoVi support for matroska container yet. That the reason why only have HDR but no Dolby Vision copy of downloadable movies as no one able to remux it yet.

The only have is full ISO image in MP4 format, this is freaking big and only working on certain Dolby Vision support TV.
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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Apr 12 2020, 12:32 PM)
Panasonic Malaysia Site highlight support Local Dimming.
https://www.panasonic.com/my/consumer/home-...h-65gx800k.html

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TV brands are free to list whatever they want on the specs , but a TV with local dimming system will not peak at 290 nits .

Just like whatever names Hisense and many others brands want to call their frame dimming is .









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QUOTE(Convael @ Apr 12 2020, 08:50 PM)
TV brands are free to list whatever they want on the specs , but a TV with local dimming system will not peak at 290 nits .

Just like whatever names Hisense and many others brands want to call their frame dimming is .
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Then you can put a lawsuit to Panasonic. Haha! lol... ...
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2) Below is just a sample. not mine. Some manufacturers consider certain level of light bleed/leaks acceptable because LED TV is not meant to be watched in the dark. You can actually truly enjoy this TV in normal lighting condition. So after you buy this TV, keeps the lights on, keep the windows open, and enjoy  icon_idea.gif
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Not really , not every LED TV has light bleeds , mostly only the edge-lit TV models and IPS TVs due to the imperfect shapes of subpixels .

At the very least , learn to differentiate the Pros and Cons of IPS &VA TV first before you start giving advice .
What's wrong with being technical in a techie forum ? If you just want to trash talk your way to the end , there is the /k section.


QUOTE(sadaniel @ Apr 12 2020, 06:53 PM)
But if you have to ask what's the difference, the panel on the GX800 is brighter than the GX740. In the official spec from the website, the GX800 has Super Bright Panel Plus whereas GX740 has Super Bright Panel (not plus).

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Another assumption from you .

The GX800 is already at baseline 300 nits . If we go with your logics , the GX740 has to be even dimmer than every other modern TV , including those beginners 4K models from other brands .
You need to stop reading into whatever terms the TV brands are throwing at you . At this point you are only spreading wrong information .


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Dimming on LED TV by definition is simply the dimming of your TV backlight to improve black levels. That's it. Local or not.


True , but there is a huge difference between local dimming or simply calling it a dimming system .


QUOTE(sadaniel @ Apr 12 2020, 02:42 PM)
From your story above, it's just a way of saying what is the better method of local dimming available. As if local dimming has a set of standards that needs to be achieved to even legally call it local dimming. I never even recalled any professional TV reviewer said about this. If there is, please show it to me.

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First of all , there is no story . I have spent roughly 2 hours with the TV beside NU8000 , which an edge-lit local dimming TV .
It doesn't dim nor boost , it does nothing , absolutely no changes on the black levels and brightness .

Localized Dimming system is specific hardware that is implemented on the LED array , something alike a curtain .
If there are any existence of local dimming , there would be at least improvement on the numbers of black levels or brightness .

The last model I have inspected indicate this TV peaks at 300 ~ 400 nits , which is a common standard for modern UHD TV.


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And second, brightness level boosting/HDR is a different story. Dimming only describes one thing, how well the backlight dims during dark scenes.


This is one of the most pretentious and wrong thing I have heard in this forum for a while .

Local Dimming is the system that is responsible for brightness output of the screen . They are closed related . How is that a different story ? doh.gif
And of course we are going to talk about HDR , why do you even need a local dimming system for non HDR stuff ? Did you even hear yourself ?

You clearly have not even seen a FALD TV , nor you have any idea what is a local dimming system if you think its only function is to dim down the backlights .
You are only reading it by the name , which is limited by your understanding of TV's backlight system.

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Hence the word "dimming" , software based or whatever. That's it. Don't get your facts twisted.


Again , for the 10th millions time , there is a HUGE difference between the hardware based (which is also called Local Dimming ) and software based dimming system .
The only one twisting the facts here is you because you are too ignorant and stubborn to learn .

Also , I am not responsible to give you a lecture since you are too lazy to even google .


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To be fair, Vincent TEOH@HDTVtest did concludes the tv BARELY has any local dimming. I understand this because the local dimming only has two zones. He didn't say no though. I'll eat his word at any given day.
People have already reviewed this TV and all the numbers are out there , the result is clear . It isn't even up for debate .

Even if we are to assume this TV has local dimming , it does nothing to improve on the picture quality . If that is the case , what's the point ? Why are you being obsessed with benefits that don't even exist ?

Also the model Vincent reviewed is different than yours . If you watch his videos then you should remember the keyword " pseudo local dimming " . That is like a more polite way to say the dimming system is completely sh*t.
Last but not least , I assume you are capable of understand what does the word " BARELY " means , right ?


To summarize , I do think there is some sort of dimming system within the GX800 models but they are definitely not the hardware based LED Array zones we are used to be seeing on the market.
It is more identical to the same thing many brands are calling Global Dimming / Micro dimming / Frame Dimming , a software based dimming algorithm on their entry level TV .

This post has been edited by Convael: Apr 12 2020, 10:26 PM
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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Apr 12 2020, 08:53 PM)
Then you can put a lawsuit to Panasonic. Haha! lol... ...
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I have already been threaten by Samsung PR several times for exposing their " frame dimming " tricks .

The other day some Philips TV retailers weren't too happy with me calling their global dimming shit too .

You would be surprised how many TV sellers are watching this forum .
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QUOTE(Convael @ Apr 12 2020, 09:04 PM)
I have already been threaten by Samsung PR several times for exposing their " frame dimming " tricks .

The other day some Philips TV retailers weren't too happy with me calling their global dimming shit too .

You would be surprised how many TV sellers are watching this forum .
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Hahaha! ok ok. Noted.
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QUOTE(Convael @ Apr 12 2020, 08:53 PM)
Not really , not every LED TV has light bleeds , mostly only the edge-lit TV models and IPS TVs due to the imperfect shapes of subpixels .

At the very least , learn to differentiate the Pros and Cons of IPS &VA TV first before you start giving advice . 
What's wrong with being technical in a techie forum ?  If you just want to trash talk your way to the end , there is the /k section.
Another assumption from you .

The GX800 is already at baseline 300 nits . If we go with your logics , the GX740 has to be even dimmer than every other modern TV , including those beginners 4K models from other brands .
You need to stop reading into whatever terms the TV brands are throwing at you . At this point you are only spreading wrong information .
True , but there is a huge difference between local dimming or simply calling it a dimming system . 
First of all , there is no story . I have spent roughly 2 hours with the TV beside NU8000 , which an edge-lit local dimming TV . 
It doesn't dim nor boost , it does nothing , absolutely no changes on the black levels and brightness .

Localized Dimming system is specific hardware that is implemented on the LED array , something alike a curtain .
If there are any existence of local dimming , there would be at least improvement on the numbers of black levels or brightness .

The last model I have inspected indicate this TV peaks at 300 ~ 400 nits , which is a common standard for modern UHD TV.
This is one of the most pretentious and wrong thing I have heard in this forum for a while .

Local Dimming is the system that is responsible for brightness output of the screen . They are closed related . How is that a different story ? doh.gif
And of course we are going to talk about HDR , why do you even need a local dimming system for non HDR stuff ? Did you even hear yourself ?

You clearly have not even seen a FALD TV ,  nor you have any idea what is a local dimming system if you think its only function is to dim down the backlights .
You are only reading it by the name , which is limited by your understanding of TV's backlight system.
Again , for the 10th millions time , there is a HUGE difference between the hardware based (which is also called Local Dimming ) and software based dimming system .
The only one twisting the facts here is you because you are too ignorant and stubborn to learn .

Also , I am not responsible to give you a lecture since you are too lazy to even google .
People have already reviewed this TV and all the numbers are out there , the result is clear . It isn't even up for debate .

Even if we are to assume this TV has local dimming , it does nothing to improve on the picture quality . If that is the case , what's the point ?  Why are you being obsessed with benefits that don't even exist ?

Also the model Vincent reviewed is different than yours . If you watch his videos then you should remember the keyword " pseudo local dimming " . That is like a more polite way to say the dimming system is completely sh*t.
Last but not least , I assume you are capable of understand what does the word " BARELY " means , right ?
To summarize , I do think there is some sort of dimming system within the GX800 models but they are definitely not the hardware based LED Array zones we are used to be seeing on the market.
It is more identical to the same thing many brands are calling Global Dimming / Micro dimming / Frame Dimming  , a software based dimming algorithm on their entry level TV .
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QUOTE(shebbycs @ Apr 12 2020, 06:35 PM)
bro what different between gx740 and gx800 and what u mean for normal consumer???????????/ smile.gif
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both gx740 & gx800 using 60Hz panel, aren't they?

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QUOTE(sadaniel @ Apr 1 2020, 04:23 PM)
haha yeah. urs should be soon then  icon_idea.gif
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Received my TV last weekend, happily unbox but found that the screen cracked.
Took some photos and arrange for return.
Dropped the TV at POS office this afternoon.
Now not sure want to get the same model again or not.
Please share your experience on this model to convince me get the same model again.
hahahaha......

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