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sadaniel
post Nov 17 2019, 11:41 AM

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I'm split between hisense 65 inch b7700 and Pana 55 gx800. Both are 4k hdr dv local dimming and about the same price.

I only watch movies on my TV. I played my movies using himedia q10 {is it better than built in player?) Please help me making this decision.

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post Nov 19 2019, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(ruzaini88 @ Nov 18 2019, 02:31 PM)
The picture quality gap between this 2 models is like point gap between Liverpool and Manchester United.
If 55" just nice for you seating distance, go for Pana.

FYI, B7700 doesn't have WCG panel to display HDR colours.
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Thanks ruzaini, by any chance you know difference in terms of black levels and brightness?
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post Mar 31 2020, 07:42 PM

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GX800 users. How to know if local dimming is working. My back light seems to be turning on all the time. I tested it using local dimming test in YouTube.

The backlight on this TV needs some taming.
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post Apr 1 2020, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(JUSTmee @ Apr 1 2020, 04:20 PM)
Hey, u got ur TV already? That's fast.
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haha yeah. urs should be soon then icon_idea.gif
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post Apr 11 2020, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(shebbycs @ Apr 11 2020, 03:51 PM)
how is the tv bro in term of performance, clarity but I hear it support dolby vision and atmos and more over got usb 3.0? how much you bought this tv and where?
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I found out that this tv does have local dimming, but its only limited to left and right side of the screen. watching sdr video + true cinema mode, you hardly notice the back light. but in HDR/DV, true cinema mode will switch the backlight to 100. i wont recommend to watch this tv in total darkness, unless ure ok with the backlight during dark scenes.

Yes it does support Dolby Vision + Atmos. DV and HDR on an LED TV is arguably pointless due to limited contrast ratio. But its nice to have them popping up on the screen when watching Netflix movies that supports them. I never tried Atmos on TV speaker as I connect this TV to an Atmos receiver so all the sound processing goes to the receiver.

I bought at Lazada for RM2999 from Maxi E Store, not sure if they got stock or not. Its the cheapest for this model anywhere ever.
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post Apr 12 2020, 03:37 AM

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QUOTE(Convael @ Apr 11 2020, 11:34 PM)
It doesn't , none of the GX800 variant has local dimming .
What you are noticing has nothing to do with local dimming but the backlight system of the TV .

This is an edge-lit TV , which tend to demonstrate many of the flaws you mentioned above in a dim/dark viewing room . Also the fact that it has an IPS screen (which means it has a poor contrast ) doesn't help either .
IPS TV are typically recommended in a decently lit room because human eyes can hardly notice the changes on black level when there are ambient light sources around .
There are several new Full Array Local Dimming TV models landing in Malaysia this year , ranging the very anticipated Sony X90H to Samsung's Q80T and Q95T  , all models will be available from size 55 " and above for the first time in MY.
I predict there will be a significant price drop compare to last year .
They are both mid-range TV , except Samsung likes to overhype on their Quantum Dots displays when they can barely utilize its benefits .
The GX800 is compatible with Dolby Vision though so that is a plus .

The 49" Q60R is also kind of crappy since it was downgraded to 60 hz .
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This TV does in fact has Local dimming but its only limited to two zones, left and right, split in the middle. It would be frame dimming but since it has more than 1 zone, its still considered local dimming, technically. It's also mentioned in the specs. It's a bit misleading though.
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post Apr 12 2020, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(Convael @ Apr 12 2020, 11:05 AM)
No , there is no fact here . The TV just doesn't has local dimming .

I think you are confused , because you see a few " columns " that lights up you are thinking it is local dimming because you have been reading some of those FALD TV has "zones " .
These are completely different things .
It is similar to what Hisense called their TV having 2 zones , 6 zones .
Those are not local dimming system , they are software based algorithm used to restrict the APL and they are not effective at all .
They can give them whatever name they have , commonly known as global dimming , frame dimming , etc etc . They don't improve picture quality.
Localized dimming system , need to do 2 things . 

First , is to dim the black levels to improve contrast and thus also improving picture quality .

Second , to boost the Highlight of brighter portion of objects objects to improve the Dynamic Range of the picture .

A Full Array Local Dimming can do both , an Edge-lit based Local dimming TV can only brighten the picture .
We have had great Edge-lit local dimming TV before , like the Samsung NU8000 which can boost brightness up to almost 1000 cd/m .  GX800 does neither of this .

Also GX800 models have an edge-lit based backlight system ( not to be confused with local dimming ) , even if it has local dimming it wouldn't show up in "zones " .
Remember , the models shipped in our country is the IPS variant , it is different than most of the GX800 reviews you read from the internet.
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Dimming on LED TV by definition is simply the dimming of your TV backlight to improve black levels. That's it. Local or not.

From your story above, it's just a way of saying what is the better method of local dimming available. As if local dimming has a set of standards that needs to be achieved to even legally call it local dimming. I never even recalled any professional TV reviewer said about this. If there is, please show it to me.

And second, brightness level boosting/HDR is a different story. Dimming only describes one thing, how well the backlight dims during dark scenes. Hence the word "dimming" , software based or whatever. That's it. Don't get your facts twisted.

To be fair, Vincent TEOH@HDTVtest did concludes the tv BARELY has any local dimming. I understand this because the local dimming only has two zones. He didn't say no though. I'll eat his word at any given day.

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post Apr 12 2020, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(shebbycs @ Apr 12 2020, 02:47 PM)
How is this tv performance for 4k movies, it is still need android box like Himedia?

May I know this tv is what energy stars ratings  4 or 5?

Is this tv can same performance like sony x70 or x80 series?
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1) GX800 is Smart TV therefore, apps is limited to their own. If you're happy with just Netflix, Youtube and Amazon Prime videos, then you dont need Android box. If you're looking into having tons of apps and games, u need to buy a separate android box. Do you use AV receiver?

2) The tv has 5 energy star rating.

3) I u ask about performance, all TV brands in their same range should perform the same. It comes to whether you like smart tv or android tv, the HDMI spec and sound system. Picture quality are all very subjective. we can spend a lifetime arguing about picture quality and in the end, nobody wins. Its best to go to electronic store and see it for yourself. thats what i would do. If you want to get down to the technical part, then you need to ask a specific question like if this tv good for gaming/movies, IPS or VA is better, OLED and QLED, dolby vision/atmos etc then maybe somebody here can help. whats your budget though?

Soon the GX800 will be replaced by HX800. Its worth the wait I hope.

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post Apr 12 2020, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(shebbycs @ Apr 12 2020, 03:22 PM)
1) Actually not yet buy the tv first plan to buy Sharp BK1X but somehow i found this panasonic tv got this dolby vision/atmos and also got usb 3.0?????

3) When you bought this tv, how many years in the warranty and support? till now did you got any problem using tv in term any broken parts? How many inch is this tv you bought?
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1) Dolby Vision definitely improves picture quality but only if you watch Blu-Ray disc, Netflix and Amazon prime. If you download your movies, then you won't get Dolby Vision. As for Atmos, to fully experience it, you need to connect your TV to a soundbar or AV receiver that supports it. The TV speaker wont be enough.

3) Its 2 year warranty i think. ive been using it for just over 2 weeks. No problem with the TV so far but im bothered by the uneven backlight or light leaks. But this can varies between devices. if its gets worse, ill call up panasonic if they can do anything about it. My philips last time has the same problem, they came by my house with 1-1 replacement rclxm9.gif
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post Apr 12 2020, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(shebbycs @ Apr 12 2020, 03:39 PM)
1) may i know why u said when i downlaod movies cannot get dolby vision?

3) oooh u recently bought this tv smile.gif may I know what is the mean of "uneven backlight or light leaks" can you give the screenshot smile.gif
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1) if im not mistaken, Dolby Vision movies are copy protected and no one has been able to crack from either netflix or blu-ray. thats why you dont see dolby vision movies in torrents. there are lots of HDR movies though.

2) Below is just a sample. not mine. Some manufacturers consider certain level of light bleed/leaks acceptable because LED TV is not meant to be watched in the dark. You can actually truly enjoy this TV in normal lighting condition. So after you buy this TV, keeps the lights on, keep the windows open, and enjoy icon_idea.gif

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post Apr 12 2020, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(shebbycs @ Apr 12 2020, 05:11 PM)
what is your tv inch?
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I have the 55 inch. U might want to consider gx740. It has the same specs but has a different LCD panel and it's wayy cheaper. I don't think it matters too much to normal consumers. Under normal viewing condition, they should be about the same.

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post Apr 12 2020, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(shebbycs @ Apr 12 2020, 06:35 PM)
bro what different between gx740 and gx800 and what u mean for normal consumer???????????/ smile.gif
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Haha didnt mean to offend you. By normal consumer I meant some consumer they are not bothered much by the technical aspect of a TV as long as the TV is good enough to watch under normal circumstances.

But if you have to ask what's the difference, the panel on the GX800 is brighter than the GX740. In the official spec from the website, the GX800 has Super Bright Panel Plus whereas GX740 has Super Bright Panel (not plus).

This simply mean the GX800 has brighter panel and produce great picture quality even under bright lit room. But not to say the GX740 is terrible, just the GX800 performs better. I hope this helps smile.gif
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post Apr 12 2020, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(Convael @ Apr 12 2020, 08:53 PM)
Not really , not every LED TV has light bleeds , mostly only the edge-lit TV models and IPS TVs due to the imperfect shapes of subpixels .

At the very least , learn to differentiate the Pros and Cons of IPS &VA TV first before you start giving advice . 
What's wrong with being technical in a techie forum ?  If you just want to trash talk your way to the end , there is the /k section.
Another assumption from you .

The GX800 is already at baseline 300 nits . If we go with your logics , the GX740 has to be even dimmer than every other modern TV , including those beginners 4K models from other brands .
You need to stop reading into whatever terms the TV brands are throwing at you . At this point you are only spreading wrong information .
True , but there is a huge difference between local dimming or simply calling it a dimming system . 
First of all , there is no story . I have spent roughly 2 hours with the TV beside NU8000 , which an edge-lit local dimming TV . 
It doesn't dim nor boost , it does nothing , absolutely no changes on the black levels and brightness .

Localized Dimming system is specific hardware that is implemented on the LED array , something alike a curtain .
If there are any existence of local dimming , there would be at least improvement on the numbers of black levels or brightness .

The last model I have inspected indicate this TV peaks at 300 ~ 400 nits , which is a common standard for modern UHD TV.
This is one of the most pretentious and wrong thing I have heard in this forum for a while .

Local Dimming is the system that is responsible for brightness output of the screen . They are closed related . How is that a different story ? doh.gif
And of course we are going to talk about HDR , why do you even need a local dimming system for non HDR stuff ? Did you even hear yourself ?

You clearly have not even seen a FALD TV ,  nor you have any idea what is a local dimming system if you think its only function is to dim down the backlights .
You are only reading it by the name , which is limited by your understanding of TV's backlight system.
Again , for the 10th millions time , there is a HUGE difference between the hardware based (which is also called Local Dimming ) and software based dimming system .
The only one twisting the facts here is you because you are too ignorant and stubborn to learn .

Also , I am not responsible to give you a lecture since you are too lazy to even google .
People have already reviewed this TV and all the numbers are out there , the result is clear . It isn't even up for debate .

Even if we are to assume this TV has local dimming , it does nothing to improve on the picture quality . If that is the case , what's the point ?  Why are you being obsessed with benefits that don't even exist ?

Also the model Vincent reviewed is different than yours . If you watch his videos then you should remember the keyword " pseudo local dimming " . That is like a more polite way to say the dimming system is completely sh*t.
Last but not least , I assume you are capable of understand what does the word " BARELY " means , right ?
To summarize , I do think there is some sort of dimming system within the GX800 models but they are definitely not the hardware based LED Array zones we are used to be seeing on the market.
It is more identical to the same thing many brands are calling Global Dimming / Micro dimming / Frame Dimming  , a software based dimming algorithm on their entry level TV .
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post Apr 19 2020, 02:58 AM

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QUOTE(shebbycs @ Apr 17 2020, 03:09 PM)
bro already I compare gx740 and gx800 the differents I found two

a) Super Bright Panel vs Super Bright Panel Plus ( any different?)

b) Dimension for gx740 - 1235 X 716 X 45 mm

    Dimension for gx800 - 1231 X 714 X 44 mm
it seem gx740 is more long than gx800  and the price different between two is only about RM 500.00
If I plan to watch 4K movie is it better I choose 55 or 65?
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A) there should be an expert somewhere in this forum that can answer this question.

B) the tiny size difference is simply because of different panel parts. Gx800 has a metallic grey bezel and chrome plastic remote for premium feel. Gx740 has black bezel and normal remote.

C) bigger is always better depends on ur budget and seating distance. For 55 - 65 inch 4k tv, the distance between u and the TV ideally should be between 5 to 8 feet
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QUOTE(shebbycs @ Apr 25 2020, 04:37 PM)
C) if the distance around 1 - 2 meter, which is better 55 or 65?
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Despite the general guide, it really depends on your personal preference. imagine going to a cinema sitting at the front row seat. too big doesnt always means better.

I would say settle for 55 and up your budget for a better sound system.
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post Jan 11 2024, 01:50 PM

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My GX800 finally gave out. Now no display, but backlight and sound got. Any experience same issue? Sent to Panasonic was told to change panel RM1.5k. Possible repair?
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QUOTE(pokemon @ Jan 11 2024, 04:17 PM)
How long you have used it?
You need to compare the purchase of new tv vs repair with warranty?
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Bought in 2020, out of warranty already. Obviously not worth the money to replace the panel.
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post Jan 14 2024, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(pokemon @ Jan 14 2024, 08:32 PM)
If you were to buy the extended warranty upto 5 years.. you are covered for panel fault.
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Yeah lesson learned. Will definitely consider the extra cost for extra warranty for my future purchase.

 

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