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QUOTE(Career26 @ Nov 10 2014, 09:27 AM)
---> Hey, thanks so much for your input. I had a look at the links you sent and also few other individual models of their induction hobs: http://www.rommelsbacher.de/en/rommelsbacher_k.htm

They are induction hobs with low wattage (if am reading the technical details correctly) which would suit my requirement . Unfortunately, they don't seem to be available in Malaysia from the searches that I have done in the internet. Even called a few dealers just then, but none of them have even heard of the brand name. sad.gif

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Doesn't surprise me as our business environment quite insular. Even plumbing stuff sometimes buy down there. We saw it in Tangs Orchard here.
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Saw this 2 zone hob at xammax

http://www.xammax.my/teka-induction-hob-ir-421.html

If you want to get from xammax,you can get RM50 voucher to discount the price.

http://www.xammax.my/blog/get-rm50-coupon-...share-our-page/

and also the free gifts for purchase of RM1200 and above here.

http://www.xammax.my/blog/select-free-gifts/

Yes 3-4 zone hobs will have higher wattage. If you look at the specs closely, sometimes 2 bigger zone will have higher wattage than the other 2 smaller zones in a 4 zone induction hob. But the total wattage is calculated if you add all the wattage of the 4 zones. It just depends on your cooking preference. Do you need a 2 , 3 or 4 zone hob?

For e.g., the Teka 2 zone hob I just posted above, is 4800W while your teka shortlisted choice is 6400W.

One of the Electrolux models is 7400W and the other one is 6400W

For electrical wiring, you need to check how much is the 4-6mm wiring? Based on my electrical quote, a 4mm wire is RM150. Take this as a base estimate (Price will differ by area so I don't know how is it in KL side) and you can ask for some discount or negotiate for a lower price if you engaging electrician to do all your wiring?

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Nov 10 2014, 02:18 PM)
Saw this 2 zone hob at xammax

http://www.xammax.my/teka-induction-hob-ir-421.html

If you want to get from xammax,you can get RM50 voucher to discount the price.

http://www.xammax.my/blog/get-rm50-coupon-...share-our-page/ 

and also the free gifts for purchase of RM1200 and above here.

http://www.xammax.my/blog/select-free-gifts/


---> Noted with thanks.

Yes 3-4 zone hobs will have higher wattage. If you look at the specs closely, sometimes 2 bigger zone will have higher wattage than the other 2 smaller zones in a 4 zone induction hob. But the total wattage is calculated if you add all the wattage of the 4 zones.  It just depends on your cooking preference. Do you need a 2 , 3 or 4 zone hob?
For e.g., the Teka 2 zone hob I just posted above, is 4800W while your teka shortlisted choice is 6400W.

--->I never took the wattage into consideration when I prepared my previous shortlist. I need only 2 zone or max is 3 zone hob. So true - my shortlisted models all have higher wattage and thanks to you for highlighting the technical details that I should take into account while making my decision. I am actually quite happy with Teka IR 421 and emailed a few dealers for quotes.

One of the Electrolux models is 7400W and the other one is 6400W

For electrical wiring, you need to check how much is the 4-6mm wiring? Based on my electrical quote, a 4mm wire is RM150. Take this as a base estimate (Price will differ by area so I don't know how is it in KL side) and you can ask for some discount or negotiate for a lower price if you engaging electrician to do all your wiring?

--->Oh, that's how they charge? This will be a good guidance for me to to discuss wiring details with my electrician.

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QUOTE(Career26 @ Nov 10 2014, 03:36 PM)

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Career26,

I don't know but having anything over 3000W requires special planning electrically. That's thicker gauge wiring and there's potential of tripping. Single phase wiring is up to 63A. For hob requirements that require in excess of 6400W, the kitchen has to be on 32A (32Ax240V=7680W). If planning in such a way, sometimes it's prudent to put a separate MCB in the kitchen to isolate trips to this zone.

Otherwise going by Watt limited appliance or gas is one way mindful of the space constrain it presents. I presume you'd either use a table top oven or has a built-in planned?

Assuming ovens are planned for, the good news is there are those that only consumes 13A:
a. Kee Huat Radio's Ovenmate Valencia
b. older 5 to 7 function Rinnai models
c. recent Rinnai 4 and 8 funciton model

I used to own a KHR Ovenmate Valencia and the cooking that comes out of this oven is amazing from grilled chicken, ribs, cakes and pizza. Since the Valencia is only 500mm wide and 675cm tall, it can fit within a 60cm width space with space on either end. If the working surface is 80cm high from the floor then you could invest in a 60cm 3 zone hob. Both can run off the same 32A circuit with the caveat either one has exclusive use or a combination of both should not exceed 32A. Perhaps a lower wattage induction with the oven might solve the issue. In such a set up and if the 3 zone hob is not too deep, open up a rectangular breathing hole to allow heat from oven space to escape.
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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Nov 10 2014, 04:18 PM)
Career26,

I don't know but having anything over 3000W requires special planning electrically. That's thicker gauge wiring and there's potential of tripping. Single phase wiring is up to 63A. For hob requirements that require in excess of 6400W, the kitchen has to be on 32A (32Ax240V=7680W). If planning in such a way, sometimes it's prudent to put a separate MCB in the kitchen to isolate trips to this zone.

Otherwise going by Watt limited appliance or gas is one way mindful of the space constrain it presents. I presume you'd either use a table top oven or has a built-in planned?

Assuming ovens are planned for, the good news is there are those that only consumes 13A:
a. Kee Huat Radio's Ovenmate Valencia
b. older 5 to 7 function Rinnai models
c. recent Rinnai 4 and 8 funciton model

I used to own a KHR Ovenmate Valencia and the cooking that comes out of this oven is amazing from grilled chicken, ribs, cakes and pizza. Since the Valencia is only 500mm wide and 675cm tall, it can fit within a 60cm width space with space on either end. If the working surface is 80cm high from the floor then you could invest in a 60cm 3 zone hob. Both can run off the same 32A circuit with the caveat either one has exclusive use or a combination of both should not exceed 32A. Perhaps a lower wattage induction with the oven might solve the issue. In such a set up and if the 3 zone hob is not too deep, open up a rectangular breathing hole to allow heat from oven space to escape.
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---> It's an apartment unit kitchen and does not allow the luxury of having a built-in oven for me. The more appliances I add, the more I will have to compromise on storage space. I don't do baking that much - so did not prioritize on getting an oven. So, I decided to choose what is absolutely needed on a daily basis. The major electrical appliances that I am going to have in the kitchen will be the electric hob (i have narrowed down to only 2 zone with something like 4800 w), a microwave, hood and fridge.

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I calculated the wattage for the Teka IR421 at 4800W but when I checked the technical specs.

It says here that 1 Ring Ø250mm 3.0kW, 1 Ring Ø145mm 1.8kW which is a total of 4.8kW or 4800W but the description further says that the nominal connection rating is 3.2kW or 15Amp.

So to be on the safe side, you can get a switch with rating of 20Amp and thicker wires at 6mm because 4800 / 230-240V = 20Amp

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QUOTE(Career26 @ Nov 10 2014, 04:32 PM)
---> It's an apartment unit kitchen and does not allow the luxury of having a built-in oven for me. The more appliances I add, the more I will have to compromise on storage space. I don't do baking that much - so did not prioritize on getting an oven. So, I decided to choose what is absolutely needed on a daily basis. The major electrical appliances that I am going to have in the kitchen will be the electric hob (i have narrowed down to only 2 zone with something like 4800 w), a microwave, hood and fridge.
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Hmmm.... ok understand your constraints better now. Well, the Rommelsbacher KML 3001 would do nicely in your case if it could be found here.
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I already posted about the smaller size IR421 3 pages back... biggrin.gif
As for the power...they rate it at all burners doing full power. In real life practice, you won't be using all zones at maximum power. You can't anyway, the hob won't let you.

My IR631 has three burners. At max, each individual burner can do 1800/3000/3200 but the maximum norminal power is 6400 watt, therefore the ampere require will be 27 amp only. A 32amp breaker would be more than sufficient.

IR641 also has a max nominal rating of 6400 watts. If you want to add all the highest wattage for each burner, it will be 9400 watts....lol. Simply put, you don't add all the zone's wattage to get the total power

Please ask Teka or whatever brand you are buying

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post Nov 10 2014, 06:22 PM

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Bro, I'm confused now?

I calculated the total wattage of all 4 zones of my vitroceramic hob and it matches the nominal rating stated for the hob.

How is it that yours is different?

I checked the total wattage of the IR421 and it is at 3.2kW / 4.8kW based on the wattage in description although nominal rating is at 3.2kW

QUOTE(idoblu @ Nov 10 2014, 06:30 PM)
I already posted about the smaller size IR421 3 pages back... biggrin.gif
As for the power...they rate it at all burners doing full power. In real life practice, you won't be using all zones at maximum power. You can't anyway, the hob won't let you.

My IR631 has three burners. At max, each individual burner can do 1800/3000/3200 but the maximum norminal power is 6400 watt, therefore the ampere require will be 27 amp only. A 32amp breaker would be more than sufficient.

IR641 also has a max nominal rating of 6400 watts. If you want to add all the highest wattage for each burner, it will be 9400 watts....lol. Simply put, you don't add all the zone's wattage to get the total power

Please ask Teka or whatever brand you are buying
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What is your hob make and model?
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I am going to make a confession - with all this wattage, amps, power, technicalities - I AM COMPLETELY LOST! rclxub.gif sweat.gif rclxub.gif My search process is based on the following factors:

1. 60 cm
2. 2 zones
3. Low wattage
4. Reasonably priced and reliable brand

Am I still on the right track or am I missing out something ?


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What is your hob make and model?
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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Nov 10 2014, 08:35 PM)
Teka VCTM
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maybe vitroceramic they let you use full power on all rclxms.gif

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Hmm? My old vitroceramic hob is ariston but I cannot use both zone at same time to cook due to amp. This is in a apartment flat.

Not sure about the new hob now but as far as I am concerned, my electricity bill have not hit Rm50 for the past 2 months since I moved in.

QUOTE(idoblu @ Nov 10 2014, 09:45 PM)
maybe vitroceramic they let you use full power on all  rclxms.gif
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Relax! Just choose what you are comfortable with?

The 45cm Teka IR421 is not big or small either, you have extra 15cm of countertop space.

QUOTE(Career26 @ Nov 10 2014, 09:34 PM)
I am going to make a confession - with all this wattage, amps, power, technicalities - I AM COMPLETELY LOST!  rclxub.gif  sweat.gif  rclxub.gif  My search process is based on the following factors:

1. 60 cm
2. 2 zones
3. Low wattage
4. Reasonably priced and reliable brand

Am I still on the right track or am I missing out something ?

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QUOTE(Career26 @ Nov 10 2014, 08:34 PM)
I am going to make a confession - with all this wattage, amps, power, technicalities - I AM COMPLETELY LOST!  rclxub.gif  sweat.gif  rclxub.gif  My search process is based on the following factors:

1. 60 cm
2. 2 zones
3. Low wattage
4. Reasonably priced and reliable brand

Am I still on the right track or am I missing out something ?

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i have never come across 60cm with just 2 zones. smaller than 60cm yes. getting a 3 zone 60cm is better
as for low wattage - why would you want a low wattage hob?
you want the highest power ones when doing comparison.
this is not like a 5 watt LED bulb giving the equivalent brightness of a 50 watt incandescent bulb kinda of thing.
you can control the power output just like you can turn down the fire on a gas hob but at the same time, you want the hob to have the capability of a higher power range in comparison to other hobs

This post has been edited by idoblu: Nov 10 2014, 09:08 PM
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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Nov 10 2014, 09:04 PM)
Relax! Just choose what you are comfortable with?

The 45cm Teka IR421 is not big or small either, you have extra 15cm of countertop space.
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For some reason I misread it as 52 cm wide right from the day @idoblu and you recommended it. But, now I feel 45 cm is too small although I have not seen it person. I think 60 cm would be ideal. I was concerned about the high wattage that you mentioned in your previous replies and started looking for 60 cm with just 2 hobs to ensure low wattage which has not resulted in great success. I have not given up though - I decided to go a bit flexible with my search by going for 60 cm with 3 hobs but the wattage seems to be hitting 6400 W and above depending on brands which may also require some extra wiring works to be done. Hence, I was feeling lost - sorry for the caps earlier, I typed so fast and I didn't realise it was all caps till I read your "RELAX"!! smile.gif
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Nov 10 2014, 09:06 PM)
i have never come across 60cm with just 2 zones. smaller than 60cm yes. getting a 3 zone 60cm is better
as for low wattage - why would you want a low wattage hob?
you want the highest power ones when doing comparison.
this is not like a 5 watt LED bulb giving the equivalent brightness of a 50 watt incandescent bulb kinda of thing.
you can control the power output just like you can turn down the fire on a gas hob but at the same time, you want the hob to have the capability of a higher power range in comparison to other hobs
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---> @idoblu - I only realised that today. Was really tired searching for 60 cm with 2 zones. Which pushed me now to consider 60 cm with 3 zones but am not sure if I can get within about RM 2K - 2.5K. Need to survey a little bit more. If you know of any that is available in Malaysia - please do suggest. Thanks for educating me further on the wattage. Will certainly bear these tips inmy mind and include them in my decision making process.
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QUOTE(Career26 @ Nov 10 2014, 09:22 PM)
For some reason I misread it as 52 cm wide right from the day @idoblu and you recommended it. But, now I feel 45 cm is too small although I have not seen it person. I think 60 cm would be ideal. I was concerned about the high wattage that you mentioned in your previous replies and started looking for 60 cm with just 2 hobs to ensure low wattage which has not resulted in great success. I have not given up though - I decided to go a bit flexible with my search by going for 60 cm with 3 hobs but the wattage seems to be hitting 6400 W and above depending on brands which may also require some extra wiring works to be done. Hence, I was feeling lost - sorry for the caps earlier, I typed so fast and I didn't realise it was all caps till I read your "RELAX"!! smile.gif
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Haha Ya I look at the diagram that late nite and thought 520, suppose to be 450.... tongue.gif
Yup, don't get that unit. It's too small and you can only use one zone at a time. Get the 3 zone.

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Nov 10 2014, 09:04 PM)
Relax! Just choose what you are comfortable with?

The 45cm Teka IR421 is not big or small either, you have extra 15cm of countertop space.
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Hey S'aimer,


Thought I will share the quote I received from Xammax few minutes ago :



http://www.xammax.my/teka-integrated-hood-tl1-62.html

http://www.xammax.my/catalogsearch/result/?q=IR+421


TL168 - RM 750 - 25%

IR421 - RM3500 - 25%

promotion price - rm 3188


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