His immature replies make me sick reading them.
Btw,i feel that mods are being kinda undair to darksider.

Apologies for my immature replies that make you sick. I think I should repeat what I told the other supporter since people find it hard to understand what's really going on. So, again let me put it to you in simple terms.

lornawhizz= A
darksider = B

A sells Skyrim for RM23.88
B says RM23.88 can possibly get revoked (scaring away customers from me and actually other sellers too)

A starts Origin buying service for RM1.88 and offers a free guide on how to buy from Origin Mexico using HOLA VPN
B claims HOLA is unsafe and can lead to the lost of purchasers login/payment details

A re-wrote and offered a very extensive guide to show that using HOLA is 100% safe in terms of user's login/payment details ( you turn it off before logging in actually)
B claims A is promoting ip-spoofing, faking purchase data bla bla bla

A has had enough of B's bullshit and retaliated with a faq to fight off B's bogus claims and indirect personal attack on his service
B at first continued/retaliated with more bogus claims but finally decided to take the cowards route and reported on A


All the while I was just defending my service/free guide from your good friend who is 'indirectly' attacking me with his bogus claims. You're saying I should just swallow and take it laying down? Are you that naive? Is he being fair to my service/sales? Boohoo I reported him so he created this thread to gain sympathy with his pretentious oh, I'm so innocent attitude. But it's 100% ok for him to chicken out and report on me in the first place? Very immature of me

Because of these two geniuses reporting each other my threads got deleted as well.

Lol. U or other seller as well? i mean excluding darsider and lorniz

I don't know who else got affected but when I woke up this morning my most recent threads were gone Turns out these two numbskulls were behind it all. I dropped a PM to all relevant moderators/admins asking wtf was going on but I have yet to receive a reply. Apparently you need to post a complaint publicly before anyone bothers

Edit: See this quote here:

These two idiots were behind it all reporting each other's threads. I'm pretty sure the moderator is mistaken in his interpretation of the rules (can't blame him, the rules are in a foreign language; English, after all ) and that our businesses comply with the rules but it is freaking inconvenient to have to deal with this and the loss of information on a weekend. Just because these two kids can't deal with each other they have to drag everyone else into the crossfire. Apis_lualua did not clamp down on this even though it was going on for years. He's the head honcho of the tradezone and he posted in one of my threads asking me to fix my title. That's all. He didn't point out that my (or anyone else's) game sales threads were against the rules. He should know best after all. Like I said, this guy is wrong in his interpretation. It'll get fixed when someone higher up gets online. Seeing as how it's a weekend, it's gonna take awhile.

This post has been edited by red streak: Sep 28 2014, 09:46 PM

No kidding. Even talexeh thread got deleted

I know and can swear on whatever that is holy that I didn't report on you. Mods claim they only act upon a report. So you were backing up darksider before. Did you stop to consider that he might actually benefit from reporting on you? I mean you did accuse me so maybe it was part of his plan... I hope mods can confirm that I only reported on darksider and no one else. I suspect he may be behind this to rile up supporters against me, so yeah, before all of you start accusing me pls do confirm who reported on who first.

This post has been edited by lornawhizz: Sep 28 2014, 09:47 PM

what he meant is, not u report on him but the feud betwwen u and darksider cause other seller';s thread to be deleted as well.

As I said, mods claim they'll only act upon a report. I don't know if that has changed....

Doesn't matter who report who. Because of you two fighting, now all sellers are affected.

I may have reacted harshly by reporting on all of darksider's threads. But I didn't create any threads blaming mods and asking for 'justice' when he first reported on me. In this thread his supporters called lex stupid and himself 'demanded' apology from lex. This could simply end with my reporting of his thread. I offered a truce before he created this thread and he could just have accepted it and re-create his topic and continue selling. So if you ask me.....

This post has been edited by lornawhizz: Sep 28 2014, 10:13 PM

Because of you two asshats reporting each other's threads like a bunch of 5 years old has caused other sellers' threads being deleted who has far better reputation and recognition than both of you. Great job in ruining the market for everyone else as there are a lot of people who doesnt have a credit or debit card to buy digital games.

If both of you have issues between each other, then, resolve it between both of you, not dragging the mods in who deleted all the other seller's threads on selling digital games. Both of you might repost a new thread selling your games but what about people like talexeh, thornduck, red streak and so on who has does this way longer before both of you? Years of testimonials from their trusted customers are all gone due to both of your childish behavior. Yet, still continue to point fingers at each other till now.

And thanks for ruining the market for the rest of us who does not rely on these services because both of your exploitative business ethics will eventually encourage publishers and store owners, ie: Steam to impose stricter region locks upon our games. Using any methods to bypass region lock is an offence that might ban your account and same goes with mass gifting of Steam games with regional pricing will also resulted your Steam account to be banned.

This should be escalated on to the main feedback forums.

This post has been edited by Cheesenium: Sep 28 2014, 10:58 PM

lornawhizz darksider

Thanks for ruining everything.

And to the mod, up yours.

Damn... some trusted seller's thread had been removed. Sigh. Steam Trading thread not that reliable or you cant get the things you want. I hope other Mod/Admin to reconsider this issue.

1+

This post has been edited by Gneko86: Sep 28 2014, 11:15 PM

Come on mod ... i never had problem with darksider my lastest purchase fifa15 good seller..
he never scam or anything.

If i need to side with anyone, it will be darksider, as lornawhizz's posts showed that he's immature.

What a fiasco.

Anyway, I dont see any issue buying a gift as a service, it is in no way selling an account. It is just selling a game.

Btw, why so much drama trying to justify something that is so weak (the decision that says steam gift = steam account that is)

On lorna's point about A and B seller. Aint that what happen in real world? Need mod's discussion on this issue to resolved this ie whos 'shit' is the real shit.

As a user, I believe we (users) are mature enough to decide on our own wehter to buy or not to buy, from seller whom we trusted (blindly or otherwise).

First of all, I sincerely thank all of the fellow members, who may or may not have dealt with me in Garage Sales, that decided to help me voice out. I am also extremely grateful that you risk yourself being warned in this forum for pointing out what your common sense dictates having seen a clear picture in this saga.

Also, there are many forum members here who could not care less to find out what really happened before they flamed me and associated me with the forum member who actually committed offense.For some of them, especially Mr Cheesenium, has offended and accused me in a forum topic entitled "The Crew" in gaming subforum. I did report him due to his misconduct, but there was no action taken which of course make sense now to me.

As many of you may have seen in this fiasco, the staff moderator acted in such biased ways and his decisions to show me red card and insisted that I committed violence that did not make sense to me, and citing me all the things that defied my common sense have flabbergasted me. This is my first time dealing with moderator of this forum since 2006 and it gives me a small perspective on the quality of staffs in Lowyat.net.

In fact, I have introduced two forum members here to visit Lornawhizz Origin Shop to use his service because at that point of time I could not process any orders due to hectic schedules.

As Garage Sale is an open subforum, all members could easily compare prices and then decide who they will buy from based on their will.

In economics, the basic law of supply and demand dictates that if price decreases, quantity demanded increases and vice versa. Applying it the competitive markets in Garage Sales, if supplier A is selling at low price and supplier B is selling at high price, ceteris paribus (all else equal), A will have more demand than B.

However, in business, in order to edge out your competitor, you need to have competitive advantages. The competitive advantages could be your marketing skill, attitude, friendliness, and many more, which can potentially be any traits, skills or attributes. Hence, it is easy to figure out that supplier with considerable competitive advantages will easily outdo his competitors despite selling the same thing at higher price, as it gives more value to potential consumers who always wish to maximize their utility, given their limited resources.

So to label your competitors swindlers because they have better competitive advantage, and more consumers buying from him, is ludicrous and unlawful.

However, ever since the first civilizations, there have always been dysfunctional people who are out there to create troubles. Just look at us, everything is backwards and upside down. Even after 5000 years past first civilization, we still see so many abnormalities, injustices, corruptions, abuses, and all the wrong things that we see today.

Such disorders, from the sociology point of view, are inevitable in societies. We are all bound to be treated unfairly, bullied, prosecuted, accused, alleged, flamed and many more in some point of our life. Many people have experienced it and even many more are experiencing it and now it is my turn. I cannot control what other want to say or do, but I can control my actions. In this scenario, the most I can do is to voice out for myself, however fruitless, at least when I recall back in future, I know I have tried. The outcome is no longer important, as whatever it may be, the worst case scenario is always death which almost of us will go through at some point in future.

So, I guess that is it for me. I believe it is time that I wave goodbye for Lowyat.net having been using it since 2006 and have been continually benefited by contributions of fellow members in many different parts of my life which I am thankful for. However, this incident has caused me experience depressions, loss of appetite, exhaustion, and insomnia for the past 25 hours and to the point that it greatly impacts my integrity and daily life.

Hence, I believe this is the right time that I waved goodbye to Lowyat.net for which I will never visit again and for moderators, I wish not to be affiliated with Lowyat.net anymore and here I request the cancellation of my Lowyat forum account and that all the contents that I have contributed and posted to be deleted permanently.

This dispute thread is ended. Whatever decision that may be taken by relevant authority after this is no longer an interest to me, so at here I would close the dispute thread.

*To forum members who know me personally, you may contact me elsewhere should you wish to have contact with me as I won't be logging in ever, regardless of whether this account deletion request is executed.

This post has been edited by darksider: Sep 29 2014, 02:57 AM

To all the reader of this posts and all the steam shop owners who are innocent and have had your shops removed by lex,

Please scroll to the section in blue below if you want to retrieve your pages with all your customer feedback, Google cache has saved most in 25 September and hopefully include yours.

I do not need to explain much, if you have read what I said, I am not the bad guy as I have been labeled as.

I have deleted all my personal messages in my account including more than 15 PM's (more than 15 letters) all written with courteous and professionally to lex but 95% of them have been unattended and I only received lacklustre reply from him with all his ignorant claims.

Even when I reported lornawhizz, I listed all the violations he had had committed with details and said that should lornawhizz indeed violate the rule, his shops have to be closed in order to be fair to all the traders.

I only need to say once, I reported only lornawhizz who has indeed violated the trade forum rules and regulations and I have no qualms with any other of you, even after knowing some of you reported me to Steam for selling region-locked copies during end of September, I did nothing to retaliate but just revamped my shops. I don't troll or flame people to gain advantage or whatever, if anything, I still respect and do not rage even people have treated me very badly and offended me. I do not react much usually, unless someone has threatened my integrity, alleged and flamed me for doing things that I never did.

In the countless exchanges with lex, in which initially I thought he would be at least a good moderator as LYN is such reputed forum in Malaysia. However, I found that I was wrong when he finally replied me in PM. Having realized his obnoxious ignorance and his embrace of over-extending of power, I sensed his double standard and posted a few links asking him why many of the threads selling the Steam Gift are still there since 2008? I posted a few links to him (including redstreak, deltaboy5 and 2 others which I forgot) and asked him if selling of Steam Gift is selling of Steam Account, then why LYN still allowed many of the shops to operate as long as 3 years without taking actions? I neither report nor ask him to remove any of the shops that I linked to him that to question his double-standard antics.

However, in his subsequent reply, he said that he would take actions against all of the shops that are linked. Of course, when he removed it, it would directly means that I am causing all of the aforementioned shops to be removed, however, I never click the "report" function, nor do I request any investigation to be done on those links. If anything, the actions are solely decided and taken by him. I do not, in any possible way, request/imply/report to him to remove any of the shops.

I understand that you guys must have been feeling really bad having lost most of the shops without trace, just like what I had been feeling from 7pm two days ago to 10pm yesterday. I never want to sabotage any of you, nor do I have the need and intention to do that. As you may already know, lex has over-exercised his authority power as though as he is a legal law enforcer or representative of said external organizations.

Should he not amend all of his follies which I have little hope on, you can thank Google for helping most of you out. Many of the cache pages have been saved and you may retrieve here freely (it is without the control of Lowyat.net)

http://www.cachedpages.com/

Search it with this address

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/xxxxxxx, replace xxxxxxx with your topic numbers, which can retrieve it by visiting your removed shop. Google did save most of it on 25 September, it will be a complete one-page with all your customer feedbacks. Quickly save it before LYN takes any action like they are the legal enforcer of all entities.



Regarding moderator lex, as much as I really hate to say it, is nothing more than a smart alex who has been over-exercising his authority power for which he has been endorsed and delegated to by the admins of LYN. His embrace on persistent ignorance is definitely a let off and since he is a staff of LYN, reputation of LYN may not be as good for most forum members who have read what he said. So what is really wrong with our smart alex moderator?

Just head over and read LYN disclaimers on Trade Zone (https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=266390)

The first entry in main rules of trade zone is

Disclaimer: Lowyat.NET is not responsible for any transactions conducted here.

By putting such disclaimer, LYN will not be held liable and responsible for any disputes or losses that may occur in trades. So, if they are relinquishing responsibility, it means by LAW, they are not supposed to get involved in any of them, as they already claimed no responsibility. So, why would they do this? They create an open platform for traders to come in and attract millions of views each day, they earn revenue from ads and at the same time, takes no responsibility for anything happens there, so why not? The only cost is the bandwidth and storage cost which are little compared to the revenue generated from ads on the page views alone.

With this disclaimer, in fact when LYN pulled himself out, they have no longer have any right to amend any posts in the trade zones. They have no right to intercept or intervene any of the the topics in trade zone. Doing so would automatically make them held responsible for all the fraud, scam cases that happened in Garage Sales. Any Lawyers, or aspiring Lawyers or anyone with knowledge on Law would understand this.

The only time they can make amendments is when any of the users violated the following


Again, anyone with basic Law knowledge would know that the first entry which is their disclaimer to remove any responsibility on fraud/scam/disputes would automatically cancel all other jurisdictions which they claim. Because by enforcing any entries in the spoiler content above, they inherently violate their disclaimer that they are not responsible for any transactions.

Without their disclaimer, should any dispute occur, they are directly the accomplice to all the crimes resulted from transactions that were done on Trade forum.

I am actually very tired so I just keep things short.

lex insistence that Steam Gift = Steam account, and also his obsession with being self-proclaimed legal representative of Origin, Steam, Sony or all the companies that may involve is really laughable. His claims on various things which he is not proficient with and acting like he knows it after some Googling is laughable, citing ToS wrongly in the case of buying via others account on Origin (which is not against term of use in Origin as confirmed by Origin Support) is also stupid.

For many of you that are affected, I have slim hope that lex would amend his follies which are obvious for people to see, your hope should be on other moderators who are of better quality and common sense, and not as smart alex as he is.

I don't know how many have already lost their respect to lex, but I am sure I do.

Anyway, this is my last post. I reactivated the account in order to help other innocences who have been pulled down by lex altogether.