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Sep 28 2014, 03:03 PM
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I think I'll start posting it at FIFA 15's official subreddit then the official FIFA 15 forum. Maybe then we'll get a direct response from an Origin rep. Tho this might completely ruin darksider if Origin should check/investigate fully. He did save his paypal details in all of his customer's accounts after all. Decisions, decisions....
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Sep 28 2014, 03:17 PM
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The disclaimer is solely my responsibility, and it is targeting only to my customers who decide to purchase from me. As you are not my customer, you are not entitled to question it.
I do not publicly post FAQ in any section other than the my own shop, for my shop visitors to see. The following is under FAQ in my origin shop 1. Why could HOLA Unblocker be unsafe?[/b] » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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Sep 28 2014, 03:18 PM
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all i see here is this guy at the top of the page being a d***.
nothing more This post has been edited by nikaizad: Sep 28 2014, 03:18 PM |
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Sep 28 2014, 03:19 PM
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To the offender of Lowyat.net forum here, you may speak more, but it doesn't remove the fact that
You have violated the forum rules as below: - One topic per item. The creation of multiple topics for similar items will result in deletion of all the topics and a warning/suspension. - Board rules apply. All other Lowyat.NET Rules & Regulations apply to Trade Zone as well. * Do not troll or flame. Do not intentionally post inflammatory message. * Do not spam, post unconstructively or open multiple threads with similar messages. And also, you are being suspicious of violating the follow board rules, and it is awaiting investigation from relevant admins. - Each user is entitled to ONE user account on the forums. We employ various tools which are effective in accurately detecting duplicate accounts. Registering additional accounts will result in temporary suspension to your main account and a permanent ban on your second (and subsequent) accounts. [ For this particular evidence of multiple accounts that I have collected so far, refer to post #3 in this dispute thread ] This post has been edited by darksider: Sep 28 2014, 03:23 PM |
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Sep 28 2014, 03:29 PM
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Sep 28 2014, 03:35 PM
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QUOTE(darksider @ Sep 28 2014, 03:17 PM) The disclaimer is solely my responsibility, and it is targeting only to my customers who decide to purchase from me. As you are not my customer, you are not entitled to question it. That's pretty much saying my bullshit is only for my customers to believe or not. By any governing law when you put a disclaimer or statement of fact then anyone is free to question it. Are you running your own small country? I thought you're done here anyways.... I do not publicly post FAQ in any section other than the my own shop, for my shop visitors to see. The following is under FAQ in my origin shop 1. Why could HOLA Unblocker be unsafe?[/b] » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « just one this time |
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Sep 28 2014, 03:51 PM
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First and foremost, opening a sales thread specifically to sell Steam games thru the Steam Gifts method is against Steam's terms of service. Quote from Steam Gifts - Trading and Gifting - Knowledge Base - Steam Support...
QUOTE Steam Gift Purchases can not be sold. Attempting to sell a gift subscription is a violation of the Steam Subscriber Agreement and may result in your account being permanently disabled. You can trade gifts using our new Steam Trading system and can read more about that here Second, that is why we have a Stream trading thread in this forum: Entertainment -> Gamers Hideout -> Steampowered and Valve Games -> Steam Trading Thread V2, Still trading gifts? as not to violate that Steam terms of service, through direct trading. Thus by opening a sales thread specifically to sell those Steam Gifts clearly violates their terms of service. Third, its clear as day that the thread starter is not an official appointed Steam game reseller. The official authorised resellers are: Amazon.com, Game.co.uk, Gamefly, GamersGate, PlayAsia, etc. And the thread starter's shop is not in this list. Fourth, these Steam Gifts still fall under game accounts as well as game items. Each game "sold" is its own account and that includes the unique activation code/key allocated to that game. This is similar to selling activation code/keys for Microsoft products (which is illegal and can be legally pursued by the BSA and Microsoft themselves). This is the reason we have this: **Gamers Hideout Rules and Regulations**, Return to the forum... QUOTE 6) Game accounts and in game items trading is strictly prohibited across the forum. This includes power levelling services. Threads will be deleted and warnings issued to repeat offenders. And also Trade Zone -> Garage Sales Helpdesk -> Resource Centre -> [RULES] Trade Zone Rules & Etiquette, Do read this from time to time # Prohibited items...QUOTE Rapidshare accounts, gaming accounts of any other online accounts in general which are prohibited by the rules of the site And these specifically relates to games bought online. These does not apply to games bought in retail boxes/packages from shops and/or as second hand items.This post has been edited by lex: Sep 28 2014, 03:55 PM |
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Sep 28 2014, 04:02 PM
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QUOTE(lex @ Sep 28 2014, 03:51 PM) First and foremost, opening a sales thread specifically to sell Steam games thru the Steam Gifts method is against Steam's terms of service. Quote from Steam Gifts - Trading and Gifting - Knowledge Base - Steam Support... All you mentioned here are violations of Steam Shops in Lowyat Forum. However, I am not selling Steam Gifts in STEAM CLIENT, and Steam TOS is not under Lowyat.net jurisdiction, please be clear of that. Second, that is why we have a Stream trading thread in this forum: Entertainment -> Gamers Hideout -> Steampowered and Valve Games -> Steam Trading Thread V2, Still trading gifts? as not to violate that Steam terms of service, through direct trading. Thus by opening a sales thread specifically to sell those Steam Gifts clearly violates their terms of service. Third, its clear as day that the thread starter is not an official appointed Steam game reseller. The official authorised resellers are: Amazon.com, Game.co.uk, Gamefly, GamersGate, PlayAsia, etc. And the thread starter's shop is not in this list. Fourth, these Steam Gifts still fall under game accounts as well as game items. Each game "sold" is its own account and that includes the unique activation code/key allocated to that game. This is similar to selling activation code/keys for Microsoft products (which is illegal and can be legally pursued by the BSA and Microsoft themselves). This is the reason we have this: **Gamers Hideout Rules and Regulations**, Return to the forum...And these specifically relates to games bought online. These does not apply to games bought in retail boxes/packages from shops and/or as second hand items. If you still insist to remove my Steam Shops, then I have nothing more to say. You can remove all the Steam Shops in Lowyat in this case, I believe, as a Steam user, I should report to proper channel that Lowyat.net is allowing hundred thousand of sales of Steam Gifts which violates Steam ToS since 2008, all in Garage Sales sections. Although Lowyat.net in its disclaimer claims no responsibility in enforcing any of it, you are now still abusing your authority and removed my Steam shops when it is not within Lowyat.net jurisdiction as Lowyat.net relinquishes the responsibility. Speaking of double standard? Putting all my Steam Shops aside, if you insist to remove then I have nothing much to say, as you are the most powerful person here. However, all your claims above are not directing to my Origin Shop and Blizzard Shop, which are in no way violating any of their ToS. I have already refuted your claims with valid evidence, and hence I demand a restore of both of the shops and a proper apology. |
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Sep 28 2014, 04:13 PM
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QUOTE(lex @ Sep 28 2014, 03:51 PM) First and foremost, opening a sales thread specifically to sell Steam games thru the Steam Gifts method is against Steam's terms of service. Quote from Steam Gifts - Trading and Gifting - Knowledge Base - Steam Support... Thanks for clearing that up. Tho I think the rules should reconsider keys or activation codes officially and legally bought from authorized stores i.e. Amazon, Humble Bundle, Greenmangaming etc. provided an official receipt from said stores are also handed over to the end customer. Online goods are still goods just not packaged in my understanding. If I have a newly bought graphics card but I can't use it and still have the receipt it would be alright for me to sell it here. Similarly if I purchase in bulk items from an authorized dealer I'm allowed to sell it here as well. Hence the rules I believe should be amended a bit to allow the selling for eg, extra keys bought from Humble, keys bought in bulk from Amazon, etc. It would still be officially warranted with an official receipt from these digital stores hence should be treated equally like other goods. The seller in this case is simply 'exchanging' what he/she legally obtained from the digital stores for money (complete with official receipt) and not claiming to be an official reseller and imho should be allowed. Of course this doesn't apply to Digital Online stores that clearly prohibits the reselling or transfer of licenses bought from their stores i.e. Origin, Steam, Uplay Second, that is why we have a Stream trading thread in this forum: Entertainment -> Gamers Hideout -> Steampowered and Valve Games -> Steam Trading Thread V2, Still trading gifts? as not to violate that Steam terms of service, through direct trading. Thus by opening a sales thread specifically to sell those Steam Gifts clearly violates their terms of service. Third, its clear as day that the thread starter is not an official appointed Steam game reseller. The official authorised resellers are: Amazon.com, Game.co.uk, Gamefly, GamersGate, PlayAsia, etc. And the thread starter's shop is not in this list. Fourth, these Steam Gifts still fall under game accounts as well as game items. Each game "sold" is its own account and that includes the unique activation code/key allocated to that game. This is similar to selling activation code/keys for Microsoft products (which is illegal and can be legally pursued by the BSA and Microsoft themselves). This is the reason we have this: **Gamers Hideout Rules and Regulations**, Return to the forum...And also Trade Zone -> Garage Sales Helpdesk -> Resource Centre -> [RULES] Trade Zone Rules & Etiquette, Do read this from time to time # Prohibited items...And these specifically relates to games bought online. These does not apply to games bought in retail boxes/packages from shops and/or as second hand items. This post has been edited by lornawhizz: Sep 28 2014, 04:23 PM |
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Sep 28 2014, 05:18 PM
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Lorna, if you may please approach the complaint in a mature and constructive way please. Reading through so much of your crap is giving me a headache, so much irrelevant smoke. Are you just trying to divert from the topic and sabotage TS's thread as well? Keep your calm, please.
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Sep 28 2014, 05:25 PM
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QUOTE(itekderp @ Sep 28 2014, 05:18 PM) Lorna, if you may please approach the complaint in a mature and constructive way please. Reading through so much of your crap is giving me a headache, so much irrelevant smoke. Are you just trying to divert from the topic and sabotage TS's thread as well? Keep your calm, please. Yup. Thanks for that. No more crap from me from now. Just properly constructed replies.... Then again apart from my emoticons 99% of my replies are relevant, if you think about it. People fail to notice that he started all this fiasco by reporting on me. Oh well, truth will out. This post has been edited by lornawhizz: Sep 28 2014, 05:29 PM |
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Sep 28 2014, 06:30 PM
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QUOTE(lex @ Sep 28 2014, 03:51 PM) First and foremost, opening a sales thread specifically to sell Steam games thru the Steam Gifts method is against Steam's terms of service. Quote from Steam Gifts - Trading and Gifting - Knowledge Base - Steam Support... Whatever the fact that may be (Steam's TOS), it does not apply to this forum. The rules here are against reselling Steam accounts and not Steam Games. Previous moderators have not found any fault with the other numerous Steam game resellers on this forum until lornawhizz decided to go on a reporting spree against his competitors. You are overreaching yourself by banning things which aren't stated in the rules just to cater to this one guy who himself is a reseller.Second, that is why we have a Stream trading thread in this forum: Entertainment -> Gamers Hideout -> Steampowered and Valve Games -> Steam Trading Thread V2, Still trading gifts? as not to violate that Steam terms of service, through direct trading. Thus by opening a sales thread specifically to sell those Steam Gifts clearly violates their terms of service. Third, its clear as day that the thread starter is not an official appointed Steam game reseller. The official authorised resellers are: Amazon.com, Game.co.uk, Gamefly, GamersGate, PlayAsia, etc. And the thread starter's shop is not in this list. Fourth, these Steam Gifts still fall under game accounts as well as game items. Each game "sold" is its own account and that includes the unique activation code/key allocated to that game. This is similar to selling activation code/keys for Microsoft products (which is illegal and can be legally pursued by the BSA and Microsoft themselves). This is the reason we have this: **Gamers Hideout Rules and Regulations**, Return to the forum...And also Trade Zone -> Garage Sales Helpdesk -> Resource Centre -> [RULES] Trade Zone Rules & Etiquette, Do read this from time to time # Prohibited items...And these specifically relates to games bought online. These does not apply to games bought in retail boxes/packages from shops and/or as second hand items. |
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Sep 28 2014, 06:32 PM
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QUOTE(red streak @ Sep 28 2014, 06:30 PM) Whatever the fact that may be (Steam's TOS), it does not apply to this forum. The rules here are against reselling Steam accounts and not Steam Games. Previous moderators have not found any fault with the other numerous Steam game resellers on this forum until lornawhizz decided to go on a reporting spree against his competitors. You are overreaching yourself by banning things which aren't stated in the rules just to cater to this one guy who himself is a reseller. I only reported on darksider after he reported on me. I never reported on you or anyone else. Pls get your facts right. |
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Sep 28 2014, 06:35 PM
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QUOTE(lornawhizz @ Sep 28 2014, 06:32 PM) I only reported on darksider after he reported on me. I never reported on you or anyone else. Pls get your facts right. Just because you decided to be an idiot in your spat with darksiders, the other resellers such as me are dragged into this. I have good faith that it'll be resolved eventually once the admins get involved for this overreach of power by this one moderator but you're the one who poked the bees nest. The blame is on you. |
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Sep 28 2014, 06:42 PM
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QUOTE(red streak @ Sep 28 2014, 06:35 PM) Just because you decided to be an idiot in your spat with darksiders, the other resellers such as me are dragged into this. I have good faith that it'll be resolved eventually once the admins get involved for this overreach of power by this one moderator but you're the one who poked the bees nest. The blame is on you. I suppose if we trade places and your thread gets reported then deleted, you'll just stay quiet? How noble.... Oh yeah in case if you wanna play that but you're obviously violating the forum's rules with dupe threats blabla then as a fellow seller why not darksider or even you yourself pm and warn me first. The initial report by darksider is 100% a personal attack on me and now you just want to join his crew. |
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Sep 28 2014, 07:22 PM
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Sep 28 2014, 07:40 PM
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QUOTE(Seager @ Sep 28 2014, 07:22 PM) If you read the thread from the very beginning you'd know bro. Anyways here's my recollection of events that lead to this carnival:The history of my spite with darksider: 1. There was a sale on Skyrim: Legendary and I simply offered copies at the cheapest price which is RM23.88. Then in the guise of a warning to all he wrote a fairly long thread indirectly accusing me of selling games that might get revoked. His original post (before he edited it out) clearly mentioned my unique price of RM23.88 rather than a blanket by saying eg: Be weary of purchasing Skyrim for less than RM30 2. I started a buying service for Origin games @ RM1.88 fee per order and also provided a free guide on how to do it. After finding out or maybe after seeing how I'm starting to gain customers he wrote this in his disclaimer: "As some fellow members of this forum have publicly revealed, EA exercises regional pricing, that is, the price of their products differs among countries. Some forumers even publicly share the ways to purchase them and offer the service for you in a small fee. However, the method that they use is through free HOLA internet unblocker, which is unsafe as you might expect from anything that is free. You can check this HOLA and HOLA 2 to know more about free HOLA. As a result, your credit card or paypal details may be vulnerable to the free IPs that you get connected to (as you can see in their website, most free VPN servers in HOLA are from peers, which can you any of the users using their service). I do not use free HOLA VPN to purchase for you, but using a subscription-based VPN (Pure VPN in case you want to know) which is more secure and safe. Many users have tried to purchase through HOLA VPN but without success, and instead, they triggered the security system of Origin which resulted in them having 10048 error. There are many ways that can trigger the error such as when you use free HOLA VPN to access through your PayPal, or when you attempt to use credit card or debit card to purchase through different Origin store (Russia, Brazil etc) and when they recorded that there are different IPs that are far away from each other trying to use the Card (such as Malaysia IP and Mexico IP), they will flag your account. Some users have their account flagged permanently with 10048 error every time they try to purchase something in Origin, and in turn, I have to advise them to create new account which is free of such error. In some instances, the 10048 last a few days, but sometimes, it just never goes away, and Origin does not help to reset it. If you use my service, I promise you that it will be free of that error, and you are free to purchase anything you like in the future with your account without experiencing such flagging of security. This is because I use a paid VPN and a verified Paypal account to purchase for you as well as that I have experimented the purchasing many times to perfect all the procedures to ensure that the accounts of all my customers do not experience any anomalies and is free of any issues after the orders." I see that as an indirect & direct attack on my service as I'm the only one providing it at the moment. That really sealed it. To me personally he is in fact a swindler for peddling false claims, warranties and profiting over freely available information on the internet. Google Origin Mexico HOLA VPN to know more. 3. I rewrote my guide to stress on how HOLA can be used safely and to retaliate on his bogus claims I wrote a faq. I guess I went a bit much by writing this in my Origin service thread "My 100% free guide is finished. Help me curb sales from swindling resellers who profit from freely available information on the internet." To clarify, you can get FIFA 15 Ultimate edition for abt RM150 via Origin Mexico. His so called service is selling for abt RM180. So to me that's swindling plus I'm already angry about him trying to scare off other potential customers from my service. 4. He retaliated too with his own faq with more bogus claims. 5. I don't know at what point but he probably felt threatened by me or just got really angry and rather than duke it out in the forums he decided to report on both of my Origin threads. These two threads of mine were taken down almost immediately after the report. After a series of private messages with the mod who closed down my threads, I then decided to return the favor but with a much bigger impact 6. And here we are today. If you ever read my threads you'll know that I've never made false claims/warranties just to get customers or scare other customers away from other sellers. Even when I had to fight it out I only speak the truth. So there. Now you know.... |
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Sep 28 2014, 08:13 PM
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Its one of the unethical attitude from the complaint, sabotage people business, spreading wild rumors, malicious defamation. I dont see any good intention in lodging the complaint other than the reason to bring down the seller's reputation. Im one of his clients, and I'm happy to say his service is more than awesome, fast and friendly. Yes, he did say perfect way. But who are u to judge what is perfect than us. If we, the clients think is perfect way, who are you to say no? Judging from competitor's perspective? Nah... i dont think so. So please be more fair and square.
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Sep 28 2014, 08:35 PM
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QUOTE(lornawhizz @ Sep 28 2014, 02:51 PM) Let me point out his bullshit disclaimer that indirectly attacked my guide since he decided to share it. He also posted a faq afterwards after I've proven that using HOLA is safe in terms of login/payment data, if done properly i.e. turning it off before logging in. He did use the word perfect, not perfected so apologies. Just give us a break. The more you saying, the more you making nuisance of yourself. If we, the client think is the perfect way, who are you to judge? Based on competitor's perspective. Com'on. He doesn't make you evil, but all your words and explanation do. "I get all the products directly through Origin Store without the use of 3rd party supplier. Since Origin does not allow game gifting, in order to buy from me, I will need to have access to your account in which I will purchase directly for you through the store. Why is the price a lot cheaper than Origin store that you see? As some fellow members of this forum have publicly revealed, EA exercises regional pricing, that is, the price of their products differs among countries. Some forumers even publicly share the ways to purchase them and offer the service for you in a small fee. However, the method that they use is through free HOLA internet unblocker, which is unsafe as you might expect from anything that is free. You can check this HOLA and HOLA 2 to know more about free HOLA. As a result, your credit card or paypal details may be vulnerable to the free IPs that you get connected to (as you can see in their website, most free VPN servers in HOLA are from peers, which can you any of the users using their service). I do not use free HOLA VPN to purchase for you, but using a subscription-based VPN (Pure VPN in case you want to know) which is more secure and safe. Many users have tried to purchase through HOLA VPN but without success, and instead, they triggered the security system of Origin which resulted in them having 10048 error. There are many ways that can trigger the error such as when you use free HOLA VPN to access through your PayPal, or when you attempt to use credit card or debit card to purchase through different Origin store (Russia, Brazil etc) and when they recorded that there are different IPs that are far away from each other trying to use the Card (such as Malaysia IP and Mexico IP), they will flag your account. Some users have their account flagged permanently with 10048 error every time they try to purchase something in Origin, and in turn, I have to advise them to create new account which is free of such error. In some instances, the 10048 last a few days, but sometimes, it just never goes away, and Origin does not help to reset it. If you use my service, I promise you that it will be free of that error, and you are free to purchase anything you like in the future with your account without experiencing such flagging of security. This is because I use a paid VPN and a verified Paypal account to purchase for you as well as that I have experimented the purchasing many times to perfect all the procedures to ensure that the accounts of all my customers do not experience any anomalies and is free of any issues after the orders. If you want to buy from me, you have to give me access to your account. Read the procedure section below so that you know it is 100% safe from any malicious intents on my side when you pass me your account details. In addition, I have many positive feedbacks to back up my reputation and many returning customers too. Last but not least, all products that you order from me are obtained through legal store and paid in full amount in legal tender, and they are all playable. If unplayable, you can get a Full Refund from me. And do not be worried about getting banned, there is no risk of getting ban as EA does allow it because they did not implement the gifting system, they have no choice but to allow their customers to help their friends or families to buy should customers need to do that. They have worked hard to prevent the arbitrageurs and hence you see all the 10048 errors which have no solutions." Oh yeah, almost forgot.... |
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Sep 28 2014, 08:42 PM
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QUOTE(irenehwa91 @ Sep 28 2014, 08:13 PM) Its one of the unethical attitude from the complaint, sabotage people business, spreading wild rumors, malicious defamation. I dont see any good intention in lodging the complaint other than the reason to bring down the seller's reputation. Im one of his clients, and I'm happy to say his service is more than awesome, fast and friendly. Yes, he did say perfect way. But who are u to judge what is perfect than us. If we, the clients think is perfect way, who are you to say no? Judging from competitor's perspective? Nah... i dont think so. So please be more fair and square. You must be blinded by your loyalty. Let me put it to you in simple terms. lornawhizz= A, darksider = BA sells Skyrim for RM23.88 B says RM23.88 can possibly get revoked (scaring away customers from me and actually other sellers too) A starts Origin buying service for RM1.88 and offers a free guide on how to buy from Origin Mexico using HOLA VPN B claims HOLA is unsafe and can lead to the lost of purchasers login/payment details A re-wrote and offered a very extensive guide to show that using HOLA is 100% safe in terms of user's login/payment details ( you turn it off before logging in actually) B claims A is promoting ip-spoofing, faking purchase data bla bla bla A has had enough of B's bullshit and retaliated with a faq to fight off B's bogus claims and indirect personal attack on his service B at first continued/retaliated with more bogus claims but finally decided to take the cowards route and reported on A All the while I was just defending my service/free guide from your good friend who is 'indirectly' attacking me with his bogus claims. You're saying I should just swallow and take it laying down? Are you that naive? Is he being fair to my service/sales? Boohoo I reported him so he created this thread to gain sympathy with his pretentious oh, I'm so innocent attitude. But it's 100% ok for him to chicken out and report on me in the first place? How blind you are.... |
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